Indian English
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I have a Bihari accent, which I thought I didn't have until recently when I heard my own voice in a webcast. :(
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I have a related question; why do I see SMS SPK used much more often by Indians than any other English Speakers online?
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Are you sure that isn't a doubt? ;P
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Marc Clifton wrote:
Inglish.
The common term in my area is Engrish :)
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Vikram A Punathambekar wrote:
So, what do you guys think of the Indian dialects of English?
I like some of it. The overuse of the present continuous tense I like. e.g. "I am wanting a drink" Vs. "I want a drink", or "I am thinking that..." Vs. "I think that..." But the "I have a doubt" irritates me. A "doubt" expresses something that is unbelievable. e.g. "I doubt that the polititian is telling the truth"
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Nothing against native English speakers, but this has always struck me as strange - when there is a phrase or word used by native English speakers of a particular region/country, it somehow seems to gain acceptance. However, the idiosyncrasies of English as spoken by Indians are termed incorrect, despite the fact that India has the most English speakers in the world! Personally, while I cringe at "Why you went there?" or "Who and all are in the car?", I love the unique flavor. :love: While I would never write stuff like "You are going to Hyderabad tomorrow, no*?", I use it all the time when speaking to fellow Indians (never to native speakers, though). Most likely because I'd stick out as a sore thumb otherwise, I suppose. :^) Until last year or so, I used to say "I have a doubt". Although I think my English is very good, it never *struck me* that the above sentence was incorrect. I now say "I have a question". I also used to say 'yesterday night' until Roger told me the correct term was 'last night'. Yesterday morning, yesterday afternoon, yesterday evening, but last night. Sounds a bit strange, but hey, I've learned** to live with it. So, what do you guys think of the Indian dialects of English? :-D * In this context, 'no' means 'aren't you'? ** While many may say 'learnt' is the correct past tense of 'learn', I prefer learned.
Cheers, Vikram.
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byalmightybobAs others have mentioned doubt is more of a disbelief or question of integrity. So I have a doubt reads as I have a disbelief or something along that route. "You are going to Hyderabad tomorrow, no*?", as i was taught that is not correct because no is used as a question (and it really isn't a question) and because its posed as an interjection. A sentance should still work without the interjection and "You are going to Hyderabad tomorrow" no longer means the same thing. If you switch around you and are and drop the ", no" it makes perfect sense: "Are you going to Hyderabad tomorrow?". Last night is a weird case, I really don't know why but it sounds "right".
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Vikram A Punathambekar wrote:
"You are going to Hyderabad tomorrow, no*?"
Many "native" English speakers use that phrase. I know I do.
Vikram A Punathambekar wrote:
So, what do you guys think of the Indian dialects of English?
The "I have a doubt" phrase bugs me. There is a fundamental difference between the words "doubt" and "question." Other than that y'all cute the way you speak. ;)
regards, Paul Watson Ireland & South Africa
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Paul Watson wrote:
The "I have a doubt" phrase bugs me
what do you say instead ?
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Nothing against native English speakers, but this has always struck me as strange - when there is a phrase or word used by native English speakers of a particular region/country, it somehow seems to gain acceptance. However, the idiosyncrasies of English as spoken by Indians are termed incorrect, despite the fact that India has the most English speakers in the world! Personally, while I cringe at "Why you went there?" or "Who and all are in the car?", I love the unique flavor. :love: While I would never write stuff like "You are going to Hyderabad tomorrow, no*?", I use it all the time when speaking to fellow Indians (never to native speakers, though). Most likely because I'd stick out as a sore thumb otherwise, I suppose. :^) Until last year or so, I used to say "I have a doubt". Although I think my English is very good, it never *struck me* that the above sentence was incorrect. I now say "I have a question". I also used to say 'yesterday night' until Roger told me the correct term was 'last night'. Yesterday morning, yesterday afternoon, yesterday evening, but last night. Sounds a bit strange, but hey, I've learned** to live with it. So, what do you guys think of the Indian dialects of English? :-D * In this context, 'no' means 'aren't you'? ** While many may say 'learnt' is the correct past tense of 'learn', I prefer learned.
Cheers, Vikram.
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Marc Clifton wrote:
Inglish.
The common term in my area is Engrish :)
Matt Newman
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Hey guys! what is your response when someone ends every single sentence with "ra".. "how are you ra?" "what ra?" :-)
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'Ra' is a Telugu word to address somebody very close to you (or, ironically, when you're in a fight with somebody and want to disrespect him). Native English speakers' equivalent words would be dude and mate. "What are you doing, mate?" This is not unique amongst Telugu speakers. Telugu - Ra Tamil - Da/Dei Marathi and Hindi - Re if used at the end, Arre if used at the beginning. "Where did you see him, re?" or "Arre, when did you come here?" I'm fairly sure the people that speak the other 20+ major and 1000+ minor languages of India have their own equivalent; I just don't know those languages.
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Paul Watson wrote:
The "I have a doubt" phrase bugs me
what do you say instead ?
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If I have a doubt then I'll use that phrase but Indians use it to ask a question. e.g. "I have a doubt? How do I XYZ with ABC."
regards, Paul Watson Ireland & South Africa
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Nothing against native English speakers, but this has always struck me as strange - when there is a phrase or word used by native English speakers of a particular region/country, it somehow seems to gain acceptance. However, the idiosyncrasies of English as spoken by Indians are termed incorrect, despite the fact that India has the most English speakers in the world! Personally, while I cringe at "Why you went there?" or "Who and all are in the car?", I love the unique flavor. :love: While I would never write stuff like "You are going to Hyderabad tomorrow, no*?", I use it all the time when speaking to fellow Indians (never to native speakers, though). Most likely because I'd stick out as a sore thumb otherwise, I suppose. :^) Until last year or so, I used to say "I have a doubt". Although I think my English is very good, it never *struck me* that the above sentence was incorrect. I now say "I have a question". I also used to say 'yesterday night' until Roger told me the correct term was 'last night'. Yesterday morning, yesterday afternoon, yesterday evening, but last night. Sounds a bit strange, but hey, I've learned** to live with it. So, what do you guys think of the Indian dialects of English? :-D * In this context, 'no' means 'aren't you'? ** While many may say 'learnt' is the correct past tense of 'learn', I prefer learned.
Cheers, Vikram.
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byalmightybobVikram A Punathambekar wrote:
think of the Indian dialects of English?
I have difficulty with a Texas Twang and Boston Accent. But I learned to live with it. Diné accented (Navajo and Apache) English is also interesting. Almost any accent you can see me pausing to take apart the words and reorder/replace phonemes or words. :) Of course a friend in New Orleans once told me I have a New Mexican accent. Never did find out what that is.... India is welcome to have their own variations, nothing stopped all the other English speaking countries. :)
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Nothing against native English speakers, but this has always struck me as strange - when there is a phrase or word used by native English speakers of a particular region/country, it somehow seems to gain acceptance. However, the idiosyncrasies of English as spoken by Indians are termed incorrect, despite the fact that India has the most English speakers in the world! Personally, while I cringe at "Why you went there?" or "Who and all are in the car?", I love the unique flavor. :love: While I would never write stuff like "You are going to Hyderabad tomorrow, no*?", I use it all the time when speaking to fellow Indians (never to native speakers, though). Most likely because I'd stick out as a sore thumb otherwise, I suppose. :^) Until last year or so, I used to say "I have a doubt". Although I think my English is very good, it never *struck me* that the above sentence was incorrect. I now say "I have a question". I also used to say 'yesterday night' until Roger told me the correct term was 'last night'. Yesterday morning, yesterday afternoon, yesterday evening, but last night. Sounds a bit strange, but hey, I've learned** to live with it. So, what do you guys think of the Indian dialects of English? :-D * In this context, 'no' means 'aren't you'? ** While many may say 'learnt' is the correct past tense of 'learn', I prefer learned.
Cheers, Vikram.
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byalmightybobVikram, Personally, I think you are running into anal retentive types who just need... well, I won't tell you what I think they need :). I grew up in the southern portion of the United States, my wife is a true Southerner, but my boys play ice hockey. So, we mingle with northerners so much that some of us have picked up the phrase - "you guys". As in, "You guys want to watch a movie?". In the south, it's, "Do y'all want to watch a movie?" How AR is that? :) I wouldn't worry about it. Americans will be speaking mainly Spanish in 10 years ;)
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Vikram A Punathambekar wrote:
what do you guys think of the Indian dialects of English?
The fact that you refer to a form of English as an "Indian dialect" is pretty darn terrifying, if you ask me. That's all we need. Inglish. Marc
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That's all we need. Inglish.
we already have Amglish. :)
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Nothing against native English speakers, but this has always struck me as strange - when there is a phrase or word used by native English speakers of a particular region/country, it somehow seems to gain acceptance. However, the idiosyncrasies of English as spoken by Indians are termed incorrect, despite the fact that India has the most English speakers in the world! Personally, while I cringe at "Why you went there?" or "Who and all are in the car?", I love the unique flavor. :love: While I would never write stuff like "You are going to Hyderabad tomorrow, no*?", I use it all the time when speaking to fellow Indians (never to native speakers, though). Most likely because I'd stick out as a sore thumb otherwise, I suppose. :^) Until last year or so, I used to say "I have a doubt". Although I think my English is very good, it never *struck me* that the above sentence was incorrect. I now say "I have a question". I also used to say 'yesterday night' until Roger told me the correct term was 'last night'. Yesterday morning, yesterday afternoon, yesterday evening, but last night. Sounds a bit strange, but hey, I've learned** to live with it. So, what do you guys think of the Indian dialects of English? :-D * In this context, 'no' means 'aren't you'? ** While many may say 'learnt' is the correct past tense of 'learn', I prefer learned.
Cheers, Vikram.
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byalmightybobMost are so utterly incomprehensible that I tune them out and find someone else to talk to. A few notable exceptions exist - you, Nish, several others - but I can only assume that you can speak as well as you write the language. Some day I'd like to confirm that assumption, though.:-D
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Nothing against native English speakers, but this has always struck me as strange - when there is a phrase or word used by native English speakers of a particular region/country, it somehow seems to gain acceptance. However, the idiosyncrasies of English as spoken by Indians are termed incorrect, despite the fact that India has the most English speakers in the world! Personally, while I cringe at "Why you went there?" or "Who and all are in the car?", I love the unique flavor. :love: While I would never write stuff like "You are going to Hyderabad tomorrow, no*?", I use it all the time when speaking to fellow Indians (never to native speakers, though). Most likely because I'd stick out as a sore thumb otherwise, I suppose. :^) Until last year or so, I used to say "I have a doubt". Although I think my English is very good, it never *struck me* that the above sentence was incorrect. I now say "I have a question". I also used to say 'yesterday night' until Roger told me the correct term was 'last night'. Yesterday morning, yesterday afternoon, yesterday evening, but last night. Sounds a bit strange, but hey, I've learned** to live with it. So, what do you guys think of the Indian dialects of English? :-D * In this context, 'no' means 'aren't you'? ** While many may say 'learnt' is the correct past tense of 'learn', I prefer learned.
Cheers, Vikram.
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byalmightybobVikram A Punathambekar wrote:
So, what do you guys think of the Indian dialects of English?
Some of them are really, Really hard to understand over the phone. I'm talking "repeat everything twice and i'll still only get half of what you're saying" hard. I feel utterly exhausted after some of these conversations. No idea what location(s) these are specific to, but they seem to be marked by very brief sentences spoken in a very fast, clipped manner.
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Vikram A Punathambekar wrote:
"You are going to Hyderabad tomorrow, no*?"
Many "native" English speakers use that phrase. I know I do.
Vikram A Punathambekar wrote:
So, what do you guys think of the Indian dialects of English?
The "I have a doubt" phrase bugs me. There is a fundamental difference between the words "doubt" and "question." Other than that y'all cute the way you speak. ;)
regards, Paul Watson Ireland & South Africa
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Paul Watson wrote:
The "I have a doubt" phrase bugs me. There is a fundamental difference between the words "doubt" and "question."
The reason most Indians mix up "doubt" and "question" is that in nearly all the Indian languages the word for "doubt" can be used in some places when you mean "question". The Indian word for "doubt" is not an exact equivalent of the English "doubt".
Regards, Nish
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Vikram A Punathambekar wrote:
So, what do you guys think of the Indian dialects of English?
I like some of it. The overuse of the present continuous tense I like. e.g. "I am wanting a drink" Vs. "I want a drink", or "I am thinking that..." Vs. "I think that..." But the "I have a doubt" irritates me. A "doubt" expresses something that is unbelievable. e.g. "I doubt that the polititian is telling the truth"
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Colin Angus Mackay wrote:
But the "I have a doubt" irritates me. A "doubt" expresses something that is unbelievable. e.g. "I doubt that the polititian is telling the truth"
Quoting my reply to Paul :- The reason most Indians mix up "doubt" and "question" is that in nearly all the Indian languages the word for "doubt" can be used in some places when you mean "question". The Indian word for "doubt" is not an exact equivalent of the English "doubt".
Regards, Nish
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I have a related question; why do I see SMS SPK used much more often by Indians than any other English Speakers online?
J4amieC wrote:
I have a related question; why do I see SMS SPK used much more often by Indians than any other English Speakers online?
Text messaging is very popular in India, and is the most common scenario where Indians use English. So most of them (who don't normally use English) get used to SMS-speak. So when they post on the web or write an email, they use SMS-speak because they are not used to using non-SMS English all that much. This is particularly true among teenagers and preteens.
Regards, Nish
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Matt Newman wrote:
The common term in my area is Engrish
You live in Japan? Marc
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You live in Japan?
:laugh:
Regards, Nish
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Nothing against native English speakers, but this has always struck me as strange - when there is a phrase or word used by native English speakers of a particular region/country, it somehow seems to gain acceptance. However, the idiosyncrasies of English as spoken by Indians are termed incorrect, despite the fact that India has the most English speakers in the world! Personally, while I cringe at "Why you went there?" or "Who and all are in the car?", I love the unique flavor. :love: While I would never write stuff like "You are going to Hyderabad tomorrow, no*?", I use it all the time when speaking to fellow Indians (never to native speakers, though). Most likely because I'd stick out as a sore thumb otherwise, I suppose. :^) Until last year or so, I used to say "I have a doubt". Although I think my English is very good, it never *struck me* that the above sentence was incorrect. I now say "I have a question". I also used to say 'yesterday night' until Roger told me the correct term was 'last night'. Yesterday morning, yesterday afternoon, yesterday evening, but last night. Sounds a bit strange, but hey, I've learned** to live with it. So, what do you guys think of the Indian dialects of English? :-D * In this context, 'no' means 'aren't you'? ** While many may say 'learnt' is the correct past tense of 'learn', I prefer learned.
Cheers, Vikram.
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byalmightybobVikram A Punathambekar wrote:
"You are going to Hyderabad tomorrow, no*?
After lot of practice, I use like this. "You are going to Hyderabad, aren't you?" That's typical way here in US.
Vikram A Punathambekar wrote:
I used to say "I have a doubt".
ROTFL. I remember in one conference call where we talking to a guy (outsourcing) in India and that guy said 'I have a small doubt'. And my PM was asking me what he means by that. Later I told the guy in India that you just use 'I have a question' instead of small doubt or big doubt. ;)
Vikram A Punathambekar wrote:
I also used to say 'yesterday night' until Roger told me the correct term was 'last night'.
In India we use specific day to reference when we talk. ex: Last Tuesday we went to a movie. But here in US, 'Otherday we went to a movie'.
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