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Red Stateler wrote:
Or it could just mean that I'm not so completely self-diluted with my religious beliefs (in your case, atheism) that I'll turn a blind eye to the fact that the revised separation of church and state clause arose in the 1960s, which was when these nihilistic school shootings began. If you look at the various cases, you'll notice that the common thread among them is nihilism and a resentment of others without any regard. Those two things are perfectly logical conclusions derived from atheism.
That's the biggest steaming pile of BS I've ever seen you post on here. You're claiming that school shootings are correlated with the rise of athiesm (which, in itself is total crap). Regardless, now you have to explain why young high-school students who shoot people are different than other mass murderers and furthermore, not all high-school shooters have been athiests. Seeing as you are making this ridiculous claim, you apparently have "data" to back it up as well, I mean, you do speak of a correlation, right? Well I have a correlation too. I can't help but notice that the first moon landings occurred in the 1960's, so clearly, according to your "logic", the separation of church and state also got us to the moon. But I have a different idea - I can't help but notice that school shootings started in 1966 and the first moon landing was in 1969. Since that time, we have witnessed more school shootings and more moon landings - I can't help but notice a common thread there. School shootings got us to the moon and the moon landings made for more school shootings. But that makes sense because according to you athiesm creates mass murderers since 1960 even though mass murderers have existed prior to 1960 and not all mass murderers or high-school shooters have been athiests. Wow.
"The masses have never thirsted after truth. They turn aside from evidence that is not to their taste, preferring to deify error, if error seduce them. Whoever can supply them with illusions is easily their master; whoever attempts to destroy their illusions is always their victim." -Gustave Le Bon
It's not purely correlation, but the stated motives of the shooters as well. And atheism's influence in public schools has most certainly risen dramatically in the US since the 1960s when separation of church and state was defined.
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As opposed to Bush who has done a better job of covering up the fact that he lied about WMDs in Iraq because that lie didn't leave a stain on anyone's dress.
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led mike wrote:
As opposed to Bush who has done a better job of covering up the fact that he lied about WMDs in Iraq
Once again the members of the left are trying to re-write history. All those Democrats saw the same f*cking 'evidence' that Bush saw. Are they liars too? Or are they just too stupid to read for themselves? Or maybe Bush is a lot smarter than you give him credit for. Hmm, winning two elections and he's called stupid. What do you label Gore and Kerry as then. (Oh, I forgot, Bush 'stole' the first election, right?)
John P.
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Shog9 wrote:
For a computer game. What's next, rape charges for sketching nude pictures of classmates?
What if he made a map shaped like a nude woman. Then he'd be really screwed.
Red Stateler wrote:
What if he made a map shaped like a nude woman. Then he'd be really screwed.
There are lots of nude women games for Starcraft hosted by the losers on Battle.net whenever I log on.
There is no heaven, there is no hell, except here on Earth. - Anton LaVey
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It's not purely correlation, but the stated motives of the shooters as well. And atheism's influence in public schools has most certainly risen dramatically in the US since the 1960s when separation of church and state was defined.
Red Stateler wrote:
And atheism's influence in public schools has most certainly risen dramatically in the US since the 1960s when separation of church and state was defined.
So have NASA shuttle flights, trans-Atlantic transportation, the population of the earth and the internet.
"The masses have never thirsted after truth. They turn aside from evidence that is not to their taste, preferring to deify error, if error seduce them. Whoever can supply them with illusions is easily their master; whoever attempts to destroy their illusions is always their victim." -Gustave Le Bon
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Rob Graham wrote:
Given that this happend only a few days after the VT shootings, it is understandable prudence.
It would be more prudent to arrest all those who own handguns. I agree however that it would've been prudent NOT to have made that CS map. Still nowhere near cause for an arrest. Prudently speaking that is.
Joergen Sigvardsson wrote:
It would be more prudent to arrest all those who own handguns.
Very good idea. If 8 kids are killed each day by guns as the Brady Campaign claims, and according to Wikipedia there are 59.1 million gun owners in the united states, every gun owner is guilty of killing .00000013536379018612521150592216582064 of a child every day.
There is no heaven, there is no hell, except here on Earth. - Anton LaVey
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Red Stateler wrote:
And atheism's influence in public schools has most certainly risen dramatically in the US since the 1960s when separation of church and state was defined.
So have NASA shuttle flights, trans-Atlantic transportation, the population of the earth and the internet.
"The masses have never thirsted after truth. They turn aside from evidence that is not to their taste, preferring to deify error, if error seduce them. Whoever can supply them with illusions is easily their master; whoever attempts to destroy their illusions is always their victim." -Gustave Le Bon
73Zeppelin wrote:
So have NASA shuttle flights, trans-Atlantic transportation, the population of the earth and the internet.
None of those result in nihilism.
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73Zeppelin wrote:
So have NASA shuttle flights, trans-Atlantic transportation, the population of the earth and the internet.
None of those result in nihilism.
Red Stateler wrote:
None of those result in nihilism.
Neither does athiesm.
"The masses have never thirsted after truth. They turn aside from evidence that is not to their taste, preferring to deify error, if error seduce them. Whoever can supply them with illusions is easily their master; whoever attempts to destroy their illusions is always their victim." -Gustave Le Bon
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Red Stateler wrote:
None of those result in nihilism.
Neither does athiesm.
"The masses have never thirsted after truth. They turn aside from evidence that is not to their taste, preferring to deify error, if error seduce them. Whoever can supply them with illusions is easily their master; whoever attempts to destroy their illusions is always their victim." -Gustave Le Bon
73Zeppelin wrote:
Neither does athiesm.
Not necessarily implicitly, but it's certainly a likely and frequent result of it.
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There's a greater correlation to the rise of secular humanism in our school system than to possession of guns. But let's ignore that detail.
To follow your logic to it's rightful conclusion: There's a greater correlation to the rise of humans in our school system than to possession of guns. But let's ignore that detail. BAN HUMANS!
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AndyKEnZ wrote:
Where do you get this "self-defense" crap? They were invented to kill; either other men in battle or animals for food.
Sometimes you need to kill in order to defend yourself. The Bill of Rights in the United States is designed to ensure that the people are vested with certain rights that are necessary for the maintenance of democracy. For example, freedom of speech is intended to ensure that the majority doesn't restrain the minority from political involvement. The second amendment ensures that the people can protect themselves from an uninvolved or overinvolved government. The fact that Europe has extensive restrictions on guns and legislation designed to imprison people over certain political speech is probably not a coincidence.
AndyKEnZ wrote:
You should definitely take away the handgun/pistol, it's like TV - life does in fact go on without it. Strange how guns are legal but certain plants aren't
But why? Guns were never a problem until atheism's influence expanded in the 1960's. Are you saying that we should address problems by ignoring the cause and removing the means? That is what Europe is doing with its holocause speech laws. Rather than address the rampant anti-semitism in Europe, they're removing the means to express it. That's the path towards totalitarianism and cultural decline...Not a solution.
Red Stateler wrote:
Guns were never a problem until atheism's influence expanded in the 1960's
And that has absolutely nothing to do with the wide availability of modern weaponry from around, oh, the 1960's? It is hard to kill 32 people with a muzzleloader. There is too high a risk that someone will come up and clobber you in the face with their fist... Better blame the leftists. :rolleyes:
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The police searched the culprit's house and found a hammer in the creator's bedroom that they confiscated as a potential weapon, before arresting the lad on suspicion of terrorism.
Ooh, a hammer. I hope they never search my house or I'll spend the rest of my life in Cuba...
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Red Stateler wrote:
Guns were never a problem until atheism's influence expanded in the 1960's
And that has absolutely nothing to do with the wide availability of modern weaponry from around, oh, the 1960's? It is hard to kill 32 people with a muzzleloader. There is too high a risk that someone will come up and clobber you in the face with their fist... Better blame the leftists. :rolleyes:
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I'm so gangsta I eat cereal without the milkDavid Wulff wrote:
And that has absolutely nothing to do with the wide availability of modern weaponry from around, oh, the 1960's? It is hard to kill 32 people with a muzzleloader. There is too high a risk that someone will come up and clobber you in the face with their fist...
Six shooters and rifles like the type used in Texas have existed since the 19th century.
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Le Centriste wrote:
The BoR may need some update. You are not in the far west anymore. Having guns only helps you defend yourself against other gun nuts.
Recently here in Atlanta, the police got a warrant to rush into an elderly woman's house on a drug bust (there were no drugs in the house and there was no evidence there was). They busted in wearing masks and wielding guns. Thinking they were robbers out to kill her, she shot at them and was immediately killed...Being shot several dozen times (keep in mind this was a woman in her 80s). As a result of her self defense, the city is being forced to revise the methods they use to acquire warrants and you had better believe that the police are going to review their evidence before breaking in on innocent little old ladies. A month earlier, the same thing happened to another little old lady, but she failed to get to her gun in time and was arrested (and released since it was bogus). No action was taken at that point because the police were not threatened and held responsible by the private citizen. "Gun nuts" are not the only ones you need to worry about.
Red Stateler wrote:
"Gun nuts" are not the only ones you need to worry about
So you need to bare arms to protect yourself from your police force? Remember, you arm your police force, not the other way round. If you don't then you need to get rid of them quickly because you have a protection racket not a police force. Strange that we don't have those problems here... Gun violence in Britian has not changed as a percentage since before or after hand guns were banned, when taken against the population growth. Unless you are black and live in East London then there is a greater chance of being killed in a plane crash than being shot. Interestngly, the areas with the most gun crime also have the most armed police officers. IYO, cause or effect?
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David Wulff wrote:
And that has absolutely nothing to do with the wide availability of modern weaponry from around, oh, the 1960's? It is hard to kill 32 people with a muzzleloader. There is too high a risk that someone will come up and clobber you in the face with their fist...
Six shooters and rifles like the type used in Texas have existed since the 19th century.
Not in Walmart they haven't, and my previous statement still stands with either of them.
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Read the article. the student was neither arrested nor expelled, he was transferred to a different school.
He was arrested then released without charge. It is also being reported that he was expelled from his school.
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Red Stateler wrote:
"Gun nuts" are not the only ones you need to worry about
So you need to bare arms to protect yourself from your police force? Remember, you arm your police force, not the other way round. If you don't then you need to get rid of them quickly because you have a protection racket not a police force. Strange that we don't have those problems here... Gun violence in Britian has not changed as a percentage since before or after hand guns were banned, when taken against the population growth. Unless you are black and live in East London then there is a greater chance of being killed in a plane crash than being shot. Interestngly, the areas with the most gun crime also have the most armed police officers. IYO, cause or effect?
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I'm so gangsta I eat cereal without the milkDavid Wulff wrote:
So you need to bare arms to protect yourself from your police force?
Well, that only works if your arms are so sickly white that the cops shrink away in fear, thinking you to be a zombie. And even that relies on the absence of zombie fetishists in the police force, an unwise assumption indeed. My female friends tell me that baring legs works much better, but i've never tried this myself.
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Red Stateler wrote:
"Gun nuts" are not the only ones you need to worry about
So you need to bare arms to protect yourself from your police force? Remember, you arm your police force, not the other way round. If you don't then you need to get rid of them quickly because you have a protection racket not a police force. Strange that we don't have those problems here... Gun violence in Britian has not changed as a percentage since before or after hand guns were banned, when taken against the population growth. Unless you are black and live in East London then there is a greater chance of being killed in a plane crash than being shot. Interestngly, the areas with the most gun crime also have the most armed police officers. IYO, cause or effect?
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I'm so gangsta I eat cereal without the milkDavid Wulff wrote:
Gun violence in Britian has not changed as a percentage since before or after hand guns were banned, when taken against the population growth. Unless you are black and live in East London then there is a greater chance of being killed in a plane crash than being shot. Interestngly, the areas with the most gun crime also have the most armed police officers. IYO, cause or effect?
In the US, if you adjust out the black population, gun violence is actually lower than in Europe, despite the fact that many people have guns.
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Not in Walmart they haven't, and my previous statement still stands with either of them.
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I'm so gangsta I eat cereal without the milkDavid Wulff wrote:
Not in Walmart they haven't, and my previous statement still stands with either of them.
Guns have been readily available through out US history. I disagree with Red though that they have only recently been a problem. The mob violence of the 20's and 30's, the frontier violence and the gang violence of the 19th century all happened before the establishment of modern secularism. We've always been a violent society.
Modern liberalism has never achieved anything other than giving Secularists something to feel morally superior about
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Not in Walmart they haven't, and my previous statement still stands with either of them.
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I'm so gangsta I eat cereal without the milkDavid Wulff wrote:
Not in Walmart they haven't, and my previous statement still stands with either of them.
So? Wal-mart is relatively new. And they were actually available with fewer restrictions a few decades back.