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AndyKEnZ wrote:
Where do you get this "self-defense" crap? They were invented to kill; either other men in battle or animals for food.
Sometimes you need to kill in order to defend yourself. The Bill of Rights in the United States is designed to ensure that the people are vested with certain rights that are necessary for the maintenance of democracy. For example, freedom of speech is intended to ensure that the majority doesn't restrain the minority from political involvement. The second amendment ensures that the people can protect themselves from an uninvolved or overinvolved government. The fact that Europe has extensive restrictions on guns and legislation designed to imprison people over certain political speech is probably not a coincidence.
AndyKEnZ wrote:
You should definitely take away the handgun/pistol, it's like TV - life does in fact go on without it. Strange how guns are legal but certain plants aren't
But why? Guns were never a problem until atheism's influence expanded in the 1960's. Are you saying that we should address problems by ignoring the cause and removing the means? That is what Europe is doing with its holocause speech laws. Rather than address the rampant anti-semitism in Europe, they're removing the means to express it. That's the path towards totalitarianism and cultural decline...Not a solution.
Red Stateler wrote:
Guns were never a problem until atheism's influence expanded in the 1960's
And that has absolutely nothing to do with the wide availability of modern weaponry from around, oh, the 1960's? It is hard to kill 32 people with a muzzleloader. There is too high a risk that someone will come up and clobber you in the face with their fist... Better blame the leftists. :rolleyes:
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The police searched the culprit's house and found a hammer in the creator's bedroom that they confiscated as a potential weapon, before arresting the lad on suspicion of terrorism.
Ooh, a hammer. I hope they never search my house or I'll spend the rest of my life in Cuba...
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Red Stateler wrote:
Guns were never a problem until atheism's influence expanded in the 1960's
And that has absolutely nothing to do with the wide availability of modern weaponry from around, oh, the 1960's? It is hard to kill 32 people with a muzzleloader. There is too high a risk that someone will come up and clobber you in the face with their fist... Better blame the leftists. :rolleyes:
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I'm so gangsta I eat cereal without the milkDavid Wulff wrote:
And that has absolutely nothing to do with the wide availability of modern weaponry from around, oh, the 1960's? It is hard to kill 32 people with a muzzleloader. There is too high a risk that someone will come up and clobber you in the face with their fist...
Six shooters and rifles like the type used in Texas have existed since the 19th century.
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Le Centriste wrote:
The BoR may need some update. You are not in the far west anymore. Having guns only helps you defend yourself against other gun nuts.
Recently here in Atlanta, the police got a warrant to rush into an elderly woman's house on a drug bust (there were no drugs in the house and there was no evidence there was). They busted in wearing masks and wielding guns. Thinking they were robbers out to kill her, she shot at them and was immediately killed...Being shot several dozen times (keep in mind this was a woman in her 80s). As a result of her self defense, the city is being forced to revise the methods they use to acquire warrants and you had better believe that the police are going to review their evidence before breaking in on innocent little old ladies. A month earlier, the same thing happened to another little old lady, but she failed to get to her gun in time and was arrested (and released since it was bogus). No action was taken at that point because the police were not threatened and held responsible by the private citizen. "Gun nuts" are not the only ones you need to worry about.
Red Stateler wrote:
"Gun nuts" are not the only ones you need to worry about
So you need to bare arms to protect yourself from your police force? Remember, you arm your police force, not the other way round. If you don't then you need to get rid of them quickly because you have a protection racket not a police force. Strange that we don't have those problems here... Gun violence in Britian has not changed as a percentage since before or after hand guns were banned, when taken against the population growth. Unless you are black and live in East London then there is a greater chance of being killed in a plane crash than being shot. Interestngly, the areas with the most gun crime also have the most armed police officers. IYO, cause or effect?
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David Wulff wrote:
And that has absolutely nothing to do with the wide availability of modern weaponry from around, oh, the 1960's? It is hard to kill 32 people with a muzzleloader. There is too high a risk that someone will come up and clobber you in the face with their fist...
Six shooters and rifles like the type used in Texas have existed since the 19th century.
Not in Walmart they haven't, and my previous statement still stands with either of them.
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Read the article. the student was neither arrested nor expelled, he was transferred to a different school.
He was arrested then released without charge. It is also being reported that he was expelled from his school.
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Red Stateler wrote:
"Gun nuts" are not the only ones you need to worry about
So you need to bare arms to protect yourself from your police force? Remember, you arm your police force, not the other way round. If you don't then you need to get rid of them quickly because you have a protection racket not a police force. Strange that we don't have those problems here... Gun violence in Britian has not changed as a percentage since before or after hand guns were banned, when taken against the population growth. Unless you are black and live in East London then there is a greater chance of being killed in a plane crash than being shot. Interestngly, the areas with the most gun crime also have the most armed police officers. IYO, cause or effect?
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I'm so gangsta I eat cereal without the milkDavid Wulff wrote:
So you need to bare arms to protect yourself from your police force?
Well, that only works if your arms are so sickly white that the cops shrink away in fear, thinking you to be a zombie. And even that relies on the absence of zombie fetishists in the police force, an unwise assumption indeed. My female friends tell me that baring legs works much better, but i've never tried this myself.
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Red Stateler wrote:
"Gun nuts" are not the only ones you need to worry about
So you need to bare arms to protect yourself from your police force? Remember, you arm your police force, not the other way round. If you don't then you need to get rid of them quickly because you have a protection racket not a police force. Strange that we don't have those problems here... Gun violence in Britian has not changed as a percentage since before or after hand guns were banned, when taken against the population growth. Unless you are black and live in East London then there is a greater chance of being killed in a plane crash than being shot. Interestngly, the areas with the most gun crime also have the most armed police officers. IYO, cause or effect?
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I'm so gangsta I eat cereal without the milkDavid Wulff wrote:
Gun violence in Britian has not changed as a percentage since before or after hand guns were banned, when taken against the population growth. Unless you are black and live in East London then there is a greater chance of being killed in a plane crash than being shot. Interestngly, the areas with the most gun crime also have the most armed police officers. IYO, cause or effect?
In the US, if you adjust out the black population, gun violence is actually lower than in Europe, despite the fact that many people have guns.
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Not in Walmart they haven't, and my previous statement still stands with either of them.
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I'm so gangsta I eat cereal without the milkDavid Wulff wrote:
Not in Walmart they haven't, and my previous statement still stands with either of them.
Guns have been readily available through out US history. I disagree with Red though that they have only recently been a problem. The mob violence of the 20's and 30's, the frontier violence and the gang violence of the 19th century all happened before the establishment of modern secularism. We've always been a violent society.
Modern liberalism has never achieved anything other than giving Secularists something to feel morally superior about
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Not in Walmart they haven't, and my previous statement still stands with either of them.
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I'm so gangsta I eat cereal without the milkDavid Wulff wrote:
Not in Walmart they haven't, and my previous statement still stands with either of them.
So? Wal-mart is relatively new. And they were actually available with fewer restrictions a few decades back.
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David Wulff wrote:
So you need to bare arms to protect yourself from your police force?
Well, that only works if your arms are so sickly white that the cops shrink away in fear, thinking you to be a zombie. And even that relies on the absence of zombie fetishists in the police force, an unwise assumption indeed. My female friends tell me that baring legs works much better, but i've never tried this myself.
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Shog9 wrote:
My female friends tell me that baring legs works much better, but i've never tried this myself.
I have no proof, but I had always imagined you as someone who constantly wears shorts...
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David Wulff wrote:
Not in Walmart they haven't, and my previous statement still stands with either of them.
Guns have been readily available through out US history. I disagree with Red though that they have only recently been a problem. The mob violence of the 20's and 30's, the frontier violence and the gang violence of the 19th century all happened before the establishment of modern secularism. We've always been a violent society.
Modern liberalism has never achieved anything other than giving Secularists something to feel morally superior about
Stan Shannon wrote:
Guns have been readily available through out US history. I disagree with Red though that they have only recently been a problem. The mob violence of the 20's and 30's, the frontier violence and the gang violence of the 19th century all happened before the establishment of modern secularism. We've always been a violent society.
I never said that they haven't beem a problem. I specifically said that gun violence of this particular sort (i.e. meaningless, and blindly directed) is a recent phenomenon, especially among young people. Even gang violence ultimately had some sort of goal behind it beyond self-destruction.
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David Wulff wrote:
Not in Walmart they haven't, and my previous statement still stands with either of them.
So? Wal-mart is relatively new. And they were actually available with fewer restrictions a few decades back.
Are you deliberately being obtuse? I think you are. Shopping list Microwave pizza Orange juice Carrots 9mm semi-automatic pistol "Would you like loyalty points with that?" That has nothing to do with it, right?
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Shog9 wrote:
My female friends tell me that baring legs works much better, but i've never tried this myself.
I have no proof, but I had always imagined you as someone who constantly wears shorts...
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I'm so gangsta I eat cereal without the milkDavid Wulff wrote:
I have no proof, but I had always imagined you as someone who constantly wears shorts...
Well... no. Only when it's too warm to wear jeans. Unless "shorts" is brit slang for "trousers", in which case, "usually". And stop imagining me. :rolleyes:
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David Wulff wrote:
I have no proof, but I had always imagined you as someone who constantly wears shorts...
Well... no. Only when it's too warm to wear jeans. Unless "shorts" is brit slang for "trousers", in which case, "usually". And stop imagining me. :rolleyes:
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Shog9 wrote:
Unless "shorts" is brit slang for "trousers", in which case, "usually".
Oh goodness, now I am imagining you wearing pants[^].
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Red Stateler wrote:
"Gun nuts" are not the only ones you need to worry about
So you need to bare arms to protect yourself from your police force? Remember, you arm your police force, not the other way round. If you don't then you need to get rid of them quickly because you have a protection racket not a police force. Strange that we don't have those problems here... Gun violence in Britian has not changed as a percentage since before or after hand guns were banned, when taken against the population growth. Unless you are black and live in East London then there is a greater chance of being killed in a plane crash than being shot. Interestngly, the areas with the most gun crime also have the most armed police officers. IYO, cause or effect?
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To quote from one of the responses to the local newspaer editorial (lined to by the article you linked): "We put our administrators in a “no win” situation. Take pre-emptive action and you are over-reacting and stomping on individual’s rights. Take no action and something tragic happens and you will be crucified for not taking prudent precautions. Welcome to the world we now live in." Given that this happend only a few days after the VT shootings, it is understandable prudence.
Rob Graham wrote:
Given that this happend only a few days after the VT shootings, it is understandable prudence.
not really. I simple interview with the kid would have determined that there was no threat. Pretty stupid, sledgehammer, one-size-fits-all kind of thinking.
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Shog9 wrote:
Unless "shorts" is brit slang for "trousers", in which case, "usually".
Oh goodness, now I am imagining you wearing pants[^].
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Stan Shannon wrote:
Guns have been readily available through out US history. I disagree with Red though that they have only recently been a problem. The mob violence of the 20's and 30's, the frontier violence and the gang violence of the 19th century all happened before the establishment of modern secularism. We've always been a violent society.
I never said that they haven't beem a problem. I specifically said that gun violence of this particular sort (i.e. meaningless, and blindly directed) is a recent phenomenon, especially among young people. Even gang violence ultimately had some sort of goal behind it beyond self-destruction.
Red Stateler wrote:
I specifically said that gun violence of this particular sort (i.e. meaningless, and blindly directed) is a recent phenomenon, especially among young people.
I think that is a hard sale though. The question of why nihilism would result in so much more violence here than, say, in Europe is a valid question. I think a good argument could be made that in the US nihilism is being wrapped around a culture already predisposed towards violence and therefore is more likely to become expressed as we saw at Virginia Tech. That is, nihilism tends to be expressed as perverse self loathing in some cultures, while in our culture it is more frequently expressed in perverse loathing of others. I don't think you can ignore the background culture that these vast social changes are occuring within.
Modern liberalism has never achieved anything other than giving Secularists something to feel morally superior about
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Damnit! And after i went out of my way not to use the word "pants". :->
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Well at least you don't wear a fanny pack. I've always wondered what people keep in those... :~
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