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Red Stateler wrote:
"Gun nuts" are not the only ones you need to worry about
So you need to bare arms to protect yourself from your police force? Remember, you arm your police force, not the other way round. If you don't then you need to get rid of them quickly because you have a protection racket not a police force. Strange that we don't have those problems here... Gun violence in Britian has not changed as a percentage since before or after hand guns were banned, when taken against the population growth. Unless you are black and live in East London then there is a greater chance of being killed in a plane crash than being shot. Interestngly, the areas with the most gun crime also have the most armed police officers. IYO, cause or effect?
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I'm so gangsta I eat cereal without the milkDavid Wulff wrote:
Gun violence in Britian has not changed as a percentage since before or after hand guns were banned, when taken against the population growth. Unless you are black and live in East London then there is a greater chance of being killed in a plane crash than being shot. Interestngly, the areas with the most gun crime also have the most armed police officers. IYO, cause or effect?
In the US, if you adjust out the black population, gun violence is actually lower than in Europe, despite the fact that many people have guns.
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Not in Walmart they haven't, and my previous statement still stands with either of them.
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I'm so gangsta I eat cereal without the milkDavid Wulff wrote:
Not in Walmart they haven't, and my previous statement still stands with either of them.
Guns have been readily available through out US history. I disagree with Red though that they have only recently been a problem. The mob violence of the 20's and 30's, the frontier violence and the gang violence of the 19th century all happened before the establishment of modern secularism. We've always been a violent society.
Modern liberalism has never achieved anything other than giving Secularists something to feel morally superior about
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Not in Walmart they haven't, and my previous statement still stands with either of them.
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I'm so gangsta I eat cereal without the milkDavid Wulff wrote:
Not in Walmart they haven't, and my previous statement still stands with either of them.
So? Wal-mart is relatively new. And they were actually available with fewer restrictions a few decades back.
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David Wulff wrote:
So you need to bare arms to protect yourself from your police force?
Well, that only works if your arms are so sickly white that the cops shrink away in fear, thinking you to be a zombie. And even that relies on the absence of zombie fetishists in the police force, an unwise assumption indeed. My female friends tell me that baring legs works much better, but i've never tried this myself.
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Shog9 wrote:
My female friends tell me that baring legs works much better, but i've never tried this myself.
I have no proof, but I had always imagined you as someone who constantly wears shorts...
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David Wulff wrote:
Not in Walmart they haven't, and my previous statement still stands with either of them.
Guns have been readily available through out US history. I disagree with Red though that they have only recently been a problem. The mob violence of the 20's and 30's, the frontier violence and the gang violence of the 19th century all happened before the establishment of modern secularism. We've always been a violent society.
Modern liberalism has never achieved anything other than giving Secularists something to feel morally superior about
Stan Shannon wrote:
Guns have been readily available through out US history. I disagree with Red though that they have only recently been a problem. The mob violence of the 20's and 30's, the frontier violence and the gang violence of the 19th century all happened before the establishment of modern secularism. We've always been a violent society.
I never said that they haven't beem a problem. I specifically said that gun violence of this particular sort (i.e. meaningless, and blindly directed) is a recent phenomenon, especially among young people. Even gang violence ultimately had some sort of goal behind it beyond self-destruction.
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David Wulff wrote:
Not in Walmart they haven't, and my previous statement still stands with either of them.
So? Wal-mart is relatively new. And they were actually available with fewer restrictions a few decades back.
Are you deliberately being obtuse? I think you are. Shopping list Microwave pizza Orange juice Carrots 9mm semi-automatic pistol "Would you like loyalty points with that?" That has nothing to do with it, right?
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Shog9 wrote:
My female friends tell me that baring legs works much better, but i've never tried this myself.
I have no proof, but I had always imagined you as someone who constantly wears shorts...
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I'm so gangsta I eat cereal without the milkDavid Wulff wrote:
I have no proof, but I had always imagined you as someone who constantly wears shorts...
Well... no. Only when it's too warm to wear jeans. Unless "shorts" is brit slang for "trousers", in which case, "usually". And stop imagining me. :rolleyes:
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David Wulff wrote:
I have no proof, but I had always imagined you as someone who constantly wears shorts...
Well... no. Only when it's too warm to wear jeans. Unless "shorts" is brit slang for "trousers", in which case, "usually". And stop imagining me. :rolleyes:
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Shog9 wrote:
Unless "shorts" is brit slang for "trousers", in which case, "usually".
Oh goodness, now I am imagining you wearing pants[^].
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Red Stateler wrote:
"Gun nuts" are not the only ones you need to worry about
So you need to bare arms to protect yourself from your police force? Remember, you arm your police force, not the other way round. If you don't then you need to get rid of them quickly because you have a protection racket not a police force. Strange that we don't have those problems here... Gun violence in Britian has not changed as a percentage since before or after hand guns were banned, when taken against the population growth. Unless you are black and live in East London then there is a greater chance of being killed in a plane crash than being shot. Interestngly, the areas with the most gun crime also have the most armed police officers. IYO, cause or effect?
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To quote from one of the responses to the local newspaer editorial (lined to by the article you linked): "We put our administrators in a “no win” situation. Take pre-emptive action and you are over-reacting and stomping on individual’s rights. Take no action and something tragic happens and you will be crucified for not taking prudent precautions. Welcome to the world we now live in." Given that this happend only a few days after the VT shootings, it is understandable prudence.
Rob Graham wrote:
Given that this happend only a few days after the VT shootings, it is understandable prudence.
not really. I simple interview with the kid would have determined that there was no threat. Pretty stupid, sledgehammer, one-size-fits-all kind of thinking.
Silence is the voice of complicity. Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government. -- monty python Might I suggest that the universe was always the size of the cosmos. It is just that at one point the cosmos was the size of a marble. -- Colin Angus Mackay
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Shog9 wrote:
Unless "shorts" is brit slang for "trousers", in which case, "usually".
Oh goodness, now I am imagining you wearing pants[^].
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Stan Shannon wrote:
Guns have been readily available through out US history. I disagree with Red though that they have only recently been a problem. The mob violence of the 20's and 30's, the frontier violence and the gang violence of the 19th century all happened before the establishment of modern secularism. We've always been a violent society.
I never said that they haven't beem a problem. I specifically said that gun violence of this particular sort (i.e. meaningless, and blindly directed) is a recent phenomenon, especially among young people. Even gang violence ultimately had some sort of goal behind it beyond self-destruction.
Red Stateler wrote:
I specifically said that gun violence of this particular sort (i.e. meaningless, and blindly directed) is a recent phenomenon, especially among young people.
I think that is a hard sale though. The question of why nihilism would result in so much more violence here than, say, in Europe is a valid question. I think a good argument could be made that in the US nihilism is being wrapped around a culture already predisposed towards violence and therefore is more likely to become expressed as we saw at Virginia Tech. That is, nihilism tends to be expressed as perverse self loathing in some cultures, while in our culture it is more frequently expressed in perverse loathing of others. I don't think you can ignore the background culture that these vast social changes are occuring within.
Modern liberalism has never achieved anything other than giving Secularists something to feel morally superior about
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Damnit! And after i went out of my way not to use the word "pants". :->
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It appears that everybody is under the impression that I approve of the documentation. You probably also blame Ken Burns for supporting slavery.
--Raymond Chen on MSDN
Well at least you don't wear a fanny pack. I've always wondered what people keep in those... :~
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David Wulff wrote:
Gun violence in Britian has not changed as a percentage since before or after hand guns were banned, when taken against the population growth. Unless you are black and live in East London then there is a greater chance of being killed in a plane crash than being shot. Interestngly, the areas with the most gun crime also have the most armed police officers. IYO, cause or effect?
In the US, if you adjust out the black population, gun violence is actually lower than in Europe, despite the fact that many people have guns.
Red Stateler wrote:
In the US, if you adjust out the black population
Now that's a racist consideration. Is your America white?
This statement was never false.
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Well at least you don't wear a fanny pack. I've always wondered what people keep in those... :~
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I'm so gangsta I eat cereal without the milkStuff. :rolleyes:
This statement was never false.
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Red Stateler wrote:
I specifically said that gun violence of this particular sort (i.e. meaningless, and blindly directed) is a recent phenomenon, especially among young people.
I think that is a hard sale though. The question of why nihilism would result in so much more violence here than, say, in Europe is a valid question. I think a good argument could be made that in the US nihilism is being wrapped around a culture already predisposed towards violence and therefore is more likely to become expressed as we saw at Virginia Tech. That is, nihilism tends to be expressed as perverse self loathing in some cultures, while in our culture it is more frequently expressed in perverse loathing of others. I don't think you can ignore the background culture that these vast social changes are occuring within.
Modern liberalism has never achieved anything other than giving Secularists something to feel morally superior about
Very well said.
This statement was never false.
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Red Stateler wrote:
I specifically said that gun violence of this particular sort (i.e. meaningless, and blindly directed) is a recent phenomenon, especially among young people.
I think that is a hard sale though. The question of why nihilism would result in so much more violence here than, say, in Europe is a valid question. I think a good argument could be made that in the US nihilism is being wrapped around a culture already predisposed towards violence and therefore is more likely to become expressed as we saw at Virginia Tech. That is, nihilism tends to be expressed as perverse self loathing in some cultures, while in our culture it is more frequently expressed in perverse loathing of others. I don't think you can ignore the background culture that these vast social changes are occuring within.
Modern liberalism has never achieved anything other than giving Secularists something to feel morally superior about
That's a good point. It's just that in these cases, the common thread among the perpetrators seems to be a manifestation of nihilism (as they usually express the futility and burder of their lives) as the impetus for their acts. Nihilism doesn't imply associated violence and I agree that there must be something else that causes them to act out, but certainly their belief in their complete meaninglessness contributes to their lack of restraint. I'm not willing to concede so quickly that ready access to weapons leads these people to violence. I am more inclined to take the unpopular opinion that video games, which are extremely violent nowadays, do play some role ingraining violence in young people, which leads them to acquire weaponry. After all, teenagers are still developing mentally and their surroundings do have a significant influence on them and their thoughts. If they're spending 4 hours/day killing people in a video game, I suspect that it has some effect of desensitising them to violence and maybe breaking down the emotional barrier that would otherwise prevent them from acting on their urges. But all that notwithstanding, the fact that these acts are perpetrated by nihilists acting out against the world makes nihilism the fundamental cause in my eyes and is typically the stated reason for their acts. Christianity is inherently anti-nihilistic, but atheism is perfectly congruent with it, so I believe that this association goes a bit deeper than our secular humanist friends are willing to explore.
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Did you ever stop to consider that maybe this kid was a problem to begin with and this just made the school fear that he was going to act?
Did you ever stop to consider that maybe this kid wasn't? :rolleyes:
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Stuff. :rolleyes:
This statement was never false.
I think the correct term is Junk. :badger:
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Well at least you don't wear a fanny pack. I've always wondered what people keep in those... :~
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I'm so gangsta I eat cereal without the milkI almost spit my coffee all over my monitors with that one. Thanks. :-D
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