Just once I'd like to see a movie...
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I was a little concerned about your earlier posts because of the blanket racial statements, but your comments about native South Dakota residents is reassuring about your acceptance of non-white people. I too have had many positive interactions with Native Americans, and I am glad the Natives of South Dakota provided you with positive social interactions. Regards.
I have a high respect for the Lakota and Dakota Sioux of South Dakota, even if they get a bad rap. I took a political science class in college where we discussed the Native Americans and I pointed out that I had a friend with the last name of 'Bad Yellow Hair' and how if caused her problems just because of the pre-concieved notions of Native Americans. I really don't want to blanket any ethnic group being myself part Native American, Jewish, (yeah I know, how can I be Jewish and Native American?) Basque and a few other minority groups. But my introduction to the Mexican immigrant in this area (I truly hope their attitude elsewhere is different) has lead me to my negative reactions. Anyhow, my post was not to put all Mexicans, or all immigrants into one category, but to show the behavior in this particular region. BTW, years ago I had a Mexican penpal that we connected through a sticker magazine because she learned English through the books of Laura Ingalls Wilder who lived in my hometown. I had a very positive look towards Mexicans because of her.
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So that makes two nice Mexicans in the world (I am the other :-D)
Luis Alonso Ramos Intelectix Chihuahua, Mexico
Not much here: My CP Blog!
I really want to believe in the goodness of all people regardless of where they come from. I am sure there are MANY Mexicans who are wonderful. Just that my experience with a few has been negative. Maybe that just says more about the people immigrating to the area than the ethnicity itself.
__________________ Bob is my homeboy.
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So that makes two nice Mexicans in the world (I am the other :-D)
Luis Alonso Ramos Intelectix Chihuahua, Mexico
Not much here: My CP Blog!
I really want to believe in the goodness of all people regardless of where they come from. I am sure there are MANY Mexicans who are wonderful. Just that my experience with a few has been negative. Maybe that just says more about the people immigrating to the area than the ethnicity itself.
__________________ Bob is my homeboy.
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I have a high respect for the Lakota and Dakota Sioux of South Dakota, even if they get a bad rap. I took a political science class in college where we discussed the Native Americans and I pointed out that I had a friend with the last name of 'Bad Yellow Hair' and how if caused her problems just because of the pre-concieved notions of Native Americans. I really don't want to blanket any ethnic group being myself part Native American, Jewish, (yeah I know, how can I be Jewish and Native American?) Basque and a few other minority groups. But my introduction to the Mexican immigrant in this area (I truly hope their attitude elsewhere is different) has lead me to my negative reactions. Anyhow, my post was not to put all Mexicans, or all immigrants into one category, but to show the behavior in this particular region. BTW, years ago I had a Mexican penpal that we connected through a sticker magazine because she learned English through the books of Laura Ingalls Wilder who lived in my hometown. I had a very positive look towards Mexicans because of her.
__________________ Bob is my homeboy.
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Uh, actually I am part Native American (Iriquois) so....nah nah nah nah! :-D
__________________ Bob is my homeboy.
Actually your ancestors migrated across the Bearing Straights...so neener neener neener...
"We are all repositories for genetically-encoded information that we're all spreading back and forth amongst each other, all the time. We're just lousy with information." - Neal Stephenson
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Excellent! I was hoping that someone would make this point. :) America is a collection of continents, but of course what most people mean by American is "United States of American." With that in mind, I'll say something that I know goes against current politically correct terminolgies. There's no such thing as a Native American. Native American is a relatively newly contrived term, used solely to consolidate a group of people and derive political power from the grouping. The people who lived here and were ultimately conquered by European invaders were absolutely, positively not the first "United States of Americans" and hence aren't "Native Americans." In fact, not only were they not the first Americans, they wanted nothing to do with America other than us getting the heck off of their land. Consequently, I object to the term Native American for a couple of reasons. First, it implies that they were co-founders of the very nation that screwed them, which just doesn't make any sense. Secondly, it robs them of their true national identity. To lump all "Native Americans" together is an insult and a racial slur no different than the incorrectly assumed "Indian." These people are not Native American. They are Cherokee, Apache, Comanche and decendants of many other of the countless great nations who once occupied this land. Including the Iriquois nation. :) Today, with the exception of those who choose to live on the sovereign lands of reservations, they are first and foremost American citizens, and like all other Americans, they ultimately are from somewhere else. My ancestors were from European nations. Your ancestors were from the Iriquois nation. So, like I said, everyone here is from somewhere else. :-D
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Christopher Duncan wrote:
These people are not Native American. They are Cherokee, Apache, Comanche and decendants of many other of the countless great nations who once occupied this land. Including the Iriquois nation
Thank you. My great-grand father thanks you, and his father's father thanks you....in fact, Many Moons thank you, Whopping Big Feather thanks you....
"We are all repositories for genetically-encoded information that we're all spreading back and forth amongst each other, all the time. We're just lousy with information." - Neal Stephenson
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leckey wrote:
I don't think they can control their kids anywhere
Two-year old kids are usually dificult to control at any place where they must be quiet (cinema, church), that is not just for Mexicans.
leckey wrote:
it was the 'Mexican bravado' of the guy that made him say such a statement to me
I don't think it comes from being Mexican. I am also, and in that situation, if you told me something about my kid being quiet, I would be terribly ashamed and my reply would have been "I am real sorry, it won't happen again." And if it kept happening I would have left with my kid. That politeness (or rudeness) does not come with the nationality, but from the education you get at home.
leckey wrote:
I DO care about immigrants straining American resources and then having the gall to tell me basically to shut up
Without wanting to start a debate here, how do you know they were illegal? If they are not, they have basically the same rights to American resources as you do. My conclusion here, them being rude on you comes from their own personality and education, and in no way is related to being Mexican. Whether you agree or not with immigration is another thing, but you cannot dislike Mexicans because one was rude to you.
Luis Alonso Ramos Intelectix Chihuahua, Mexico
Not much here: My CP Blog!
Hey, Luis, you look French! (snicker) Happy "Cynco Da Mayo"
"We are all repositories for genetically-encoded information that we're all spreading back and forth amongst each other, all the time. We're just lousy with information." - Neal Stephenson
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My only positive experience is a few weeks ago when a Mexican immigrant helped me to load top soil bags into the trunk of my car. In this area, they are incredibily far from polite.
__________________ Bob is my homeboy.
Are you a troll?
"We are all repositories for genetically-encoded information that we're all spreading back and forth amongst each other, all the time. We're just lousy with information." - Neal Stephenson
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I have a high respect for the Lakota and Dakota Sioux of South Dakota, even if they get a bad rap. I took a political science class in college where we discussed the Native Americans and I pointed out that I had a friend with the last name of 'Bad Yellow Hair' and how if caused her problems just because of the pre-concieved notions of Native Americans. I really don't want to blanket any ethnic group being myself part Native American, Jewish, (yeah I know, how can I be Jewish and Native American?) Basque and a few other minority groups. But my introduction to the Mexican immigrant in this area (I truly hope their attitude elsewhere is different) has lead me to my negative reactions. Anyhow, my post was not to put all Mexicans, or all immigrants into one category, but to show the behavior in this particular region. BTW, years ago I had a Mexican penpal that we connected through a sticker magazine because she learned English through the books of Laura Ingalls Wilder who lived in my hometown. I had a very positive look towards Mexicans because of her.
__________________ Bob is my homeboy.
leckey wrote:
(yeah I know, how can I be Jewish and Native American?)
First, we have to give you a lesson on cultural tolerance, and now we have to give you a lesson on reproductive biology?!
"We are all repositories for genetically-encoded information that we're all spreading back and forth amongst each other, all the time. We're just lousy with information." - Neal Stephenson
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Are you a troll?
"We are all repositories for genetically-encoded information that we're all spreading back and forth amongst each other, all the time. We're just lousy with information." - Neal Stephenson
I think she aspires to be one and will succeed in her endeavor, if she continues this way. :-D BTW, if I can get some of what she was smoking this past evening, I'd love that.
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...in the theater without having to scold someone for their behavior. Tonight we went to Spiderman 3. Behind us sat a group of of Mexican immigrants and one had her BABY in her lap. I'm guessing less than 2 years old. He couldn't keep quiet and she left for a bit with him. They came back and gave the kid a large ring of keys to enthrall him. Problem is that said keys were very loud and annoying. So I turned around and said, "Please either get your child to quit making noise or take him outside." Then her macho boyfriend/husband moves out of his seat and tells ME that "If you don't like it you can leave." My husband just about exploded. We went and got a manager and they handled us very professionally. But I loved going back into the theater with the manager and pointing to the group and said, "There they are." I'm not sure what happened next because we left. Since moving to this area my view of Mexican immigrants is very sour, and this just solidifies my negative opinion of them. We had another incident in another theater awhile ago with a guy who would not turn off his cell phone. I left the theater to get someone, he followed me out, said he turned it off and said some nasty words before going back in. I didn't tell my husband until we left because I knew it would not be pretty. Anyhow, it seems like here no one has respect for others in the movie theaters and treat the place like their own living room. I think we're just going to rent from now on.
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...in the theater without having to scold someone for their behavior. Tonight we went to Spiderman 3. Behind us sat a group of of Mexican immigrants and one had her BABY in her lap. I'm guessing less than 2 years old. He couldn't keep quiet and she left for a bit with him. They came back and gave the kid a large ring of keys to enthrall him. Problem is that said keys were very loud and annoying. So I turned around and said, "Please either get your child to quit making noise or take him outside." Then her macho boyfriend/husband moves out of his seat and tells ME that "If you don't like it you can leave." My husband just about exploded. We went and got a manager and they handled us very professionally. But I loved going back into the theater with the manager and pointing to the group and said, "There they are." I'm not sure what happened next because we left. Since moving to this area my view of Mexican immigrants is very sour, and this just solidifies my negative opinion of them. We had another incident in another theater awhile ago with a guy who would not turn off his cell phone. I left the theater to get someone, he followed me out, said he turned it off and said some nasty words before going back in. I didn't tell my husband until we left because I knew it would not be pretty. Anyhow, it seems like here no one has respect for others in the movie theaters and treat the place like their own living room. I think we're just going to rent from now on.
__________________ Bob is my homeboy.
My own encounters with hispanics have been almost universally negative. Frankly, contrary to most of the responses here to your post, I am certain that in most encounters the people who need a lecture in racial tolerance are the Mexicans themselves.
Modern liberalism has never achieved anything other than giving Secularists something to feel morally superior about
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Uh, actually I am part Native American (Iriquois) so....nah nah nah nah! :-D
__________________ Bob is my homeboy.
leckey wrote:
Uh, actually I am part Native American (Iriquois) so....nah nah nah nah!
Dont keep tracing back to the past! You'll end up finding yourself a chimp. This is earth. People are of types of here. Sane and Insane. It's got nothing to do with the nationality or nativity. If you are not able to grasp this, I'm sure you belong to type-II.
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My own encounters with hispanics have been almost universally negative. Frankly, contrary to most of the responses here to your post, I am certain that in most encounters the people who need a lecture in racial tolerance are the Mexicans themselves.
Modern liberalism has never achieved anything other than giving Secularists something to feel morally superior about
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Are you a troll?
"We are all repositories for genetically-encoded information that we're all spreading back and forth amongst each other, all the time. We're just lousy with information." - Neal Stephenson
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...in the theater without having to scold someone for their behavior. Tonight we went to Spiderman 3. Behind us sat a group of of Mexican immigrants and one had her BABY in her lap. I'm guessing less than 2 years old. He couldn't keep quiet and she left for a bit with him. They came back and gave the kid a large ring of keys to enthrall him. Problem is that said keys were very loud and annoying. So I turned around and said, "Please either get your child to quit making noise or take him outside." Then her macho boyfriend/husband moves out of his seat and tells ME that "If you don't like it you can leave." My husband just about exploded. We went and got a manager and they handled us very professionally. But I loved going back into the theater with the manager and pointing to the group and said, "There they are." I'm not sure what happened next because we left. Since moving to this area my view of Mexican immigrants is very sour, and this just solidifies my negative opinion of them. We had another incident in another theater awhile ago with a guy who would not turn off his cell phone. I left the theater to get someone, he followed me out, said he turned it off and said some nasty words before going back in. I didn't tell my husband until we left because I knew it would not be pretty. Anyhow, it seems like here no one has respect for others in the movie theaters and treat the place like their own living room. I think we're just going to rent from now on.
__________________ Bob is my homeboy.
leckey wrote:
"Please either get your child to quit making noise or take him outside."
You can't be more rude than this. This in a way equals "Get your son out of this place or put something in his mouth". That's why he's responded like that. If you find someone annoying, first you need to take up a softer route to handle them. You need some patience. If they continue to do the same even after your request, you can blast off. That's natural. [btw, what's the need here to say that he was a mexican?:~ ]
Press: 1500 to 2,200 messages in just 6 days? How's that possible sir? **Dr.Brad :**Well,I just replied to everything Graus did and then argued with Negus for a bit.
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leckey wrote:
"Please either get your child to quit making noise or take him outside."
You can't be more rude than this. This in a way equals "Get your son out of this place or put something in his mouth". That's why he's responded like that. If you find someone annoying, first you need to take up a softer route to handle them. You need some patience. If they continue to do the same even after your request, you can blast off. That's natural. [btw, what's the need here to say that he was a mexican?:~ ]
Press: 1500 to 2,200 messages in just 6 days? How's that possible sir? **Dr.Brad :**Well,I just replied to everything Graus did and then argued with Negus for a bit.
VuNic wrote:
You can't be more rude than this.
I agree.
VuNic wrote:
what's the need here to say that he was a mexican?
I think it was pointless to add that detail in the original post. I've seen people be inconsiderate in movie theaters where ethnic background had nothing to do with it at all.
VuNic wrote:
If they continue to do the same even after your request, you can blast off.
You mean rip a fart and clear out half the movie theater :laugh:
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Uh, actually I am part Native American (Iriquois) so....nah nah nah nah! :-D
__________________ Bob is my homeboy.
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VuNic wrote:
You can't be more rude than this.
I agree.
VuNic wrote:
what's the need here to say that he was a mexican?
I think it was pointless to add that detail in the original post. I've seen people be inconsiderate in movie theaters where ethnic background had nothing to do with it at all.
VuNic wrote:
If they continue to do the same even after your request, you can blast off.
You mean rip a fart and clear out half the movie theater :laugh:
Paul Conrad wrote:
You mean rip a fart and clear out half the movie theater
Oh dude, that'd be devastating. Not to touch the Nuke button unless your life is at stake.:laugh:
Press: 1500 to 2,200 messages in just 6 days? How's that possible sir? **Dr.Brad :**Well,I just replied to everything Graus did and then argued with Negus for a bit.
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It's worth noting that in America, everyone here is from somewhere else. ;)
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Christopher Duncan wrote:
It's worth noting that in America, everyone here is from somewhere else.
Not Leckey - she was genetically moulded from American soil and just started existing one day spontaneously :-)
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