I'm pissed
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Hans Dietrich wrote:
...a policy of "log off before you step out".
How would that be any different than just locking the PC? A password is required in either case.
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CleaKO wrote:
Wow I can understand logging off at the end of the day, locking the computer when stepping away, but to logoff just because you arent at the PC is a little overkill.
perhaps, but issues such as being able to send emails as someone else, or grab company sensitive materials (nothing major, but many small things add up). If one were to grab project notes, or project cost projections for each project from individuals, you pretty much have the company's budget even though the company's budget is restricted information. Thus the desire to keep even individual computers logged off if you step away. True, it is a bit overkill, but the issue is real.
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
El Corazon wrote:
perhaps, but issues such as being able to send emails as someone else, or grab company sensitive materials (nothing major, but many small things add up). If one were to grab project notes, or project cost projections for each project from individuals, you pretty much have the company's budget even though the company's budget is restricted information. Thus the desire to keep even individual computers logged off if you step away. True, it is a bit overkill, but the issue is real.
How does logging off have any more security than locking the machine?
CleaKO
"Now, a man would have opened both gates, driven through and not bothered to close either gate." - Marc Clifton (The Lounge)
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via citrix nothing on the 2nd monitor is accessible. There might be a voodoo way to conjure it over but none of the techs who've connected to my laptop have known it. Depending on experiance they either call and say "WTF!", or some variant of "You're running 2 monitors aren't you".
-- You have to explain to them [VB coders] what you mean by "typed". their first response is likely to be something like, "Of course my code is typed. Do you think i magically project it onto the screen with the power of my mind?" --- John Simmons / outlaw programmer
It seems to me that all you would have to do is right click on the desktop and change the primary monitor and or the extended toolbar options.
CleaKO
"Now, a man would have opened both gates, driven through and not bothered to close either gate." - Marc Clifton (The Lounge)
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El Corazon wrote:
perhaps, but issues such as being able to send emails as someone else, or grab company sensitive materials (nothing major, but many small things add up). If one were to grab project notes, or project cost projections for each project from individuals, you pretty much have the company's budget even though the company's budget is restricted information. Thus the desire to keep even individual computers logged off if you step away. True, it is a bit overkill, but the issue is real.
How does logging off have any more security than locking the machine?
CleaKO
"Now, a man would have opened both gates, driven through and not bothered to close either gate." - Marc Clifton (The Lounge)
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So my manager and I step out of our seats for a knowledge transfer session. A few minutes later, he sees (our conference rooms have glass doors and walls) a couple of people hanging around his PC and goes to investigate. Turns out they are from helpdesk and wanted to check if people have installed some patches, so they logged him off forcibly. And they had done the same thing to my machine. :wtf: They could have gone to the other 100 people in the same floor and got on with their checking, and then come back to see if the people not at their desks were really on leave or simply stepped out for a meeting or tea. No, they just had to log off. X| :mad:
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byalmightybobVikram A Punathambekar wrote:
I'm pissed
My first impression when I read the subject was that you had too many :beer: :beer: :beer: As it turns out you need to get a few :beer: :beer: :beer: Life is short. :sigh: Don't sweat the petty things and don't pet the sweaty things. :-D - George Carlin
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Hey David, I read a blog yesterday where a MSFT blogger mentioned how a David Crow was joining Microsoft as an Evangelist. Would that be you by any chance? The reason i think it could be you is that the guy mentioned how this David Crow was a very active community contributor.
Regards, Nish
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My latest book : C++/CLI in Action / Amazon.com linkNishant Sivakumar wrote:
I read a blog yesterday where a MSFT blogger mentioned how a David Crow...
...the Canadian. http://davidcrow.ca/[^]
"A good athlete is the result of a good and worthy opponent." - David Crow
"To have a respect for ourselves guides our morals; to have deference for others governs our manners." - Laurence Sterne
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El Corazon wrote:
perhaps, but issues such as being able to send emails as someone else, or grab company sensitive materials (nothing major, but many small things add up). If one were to grab project notes, or project cost projections for each project from individuals, you pretty much have the company's budget even though the company's budget is restricted information. Thus the desire to keep even individual computers logged off if you step away. True, it is a bit overkill, but the issue is real.
How does logging off have any more security than locking the machine?
CleaKO
"Now, a man would have opened both gates, driven through and not bothered to close either gate." - Marc Clifton (The Lounge)
CleaKO wrote:
How does logging off have any more security than locking the machine?
neither does... though as mentioned it is often easy to find login information at the desks. However, sense, is not just a problem with users, but often IT and others as well.
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
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You'd be surprised how many idiots keep their passwords in plain view, or hidden under the mousepad.
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leckey wrote:
You'd be surprised how many idiots keep their passwords in plain view, or hidden under the mousepad.
Which makes actually logging all the way off safer because?
CleaKO
"Now, a man would have opened both gates, driven through and not bothered to close either gate." - Marc Clifton (The Lounge)
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zoid ! wrote:
I do that all the time, I trust my co-workers. I guess it depends on where you work though.
Ive heard that argument before and that is just ignorant. There are many people that I trust that I wouldnt give the opportunity to steal from me, it just takes a second to take your wallet, lock your PC, lock up your purse, etc...
CleaKO
"Now, a man would have opened both gates, driven through and not bothered to close either gate." - Marc Clifton (The Lounge)
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Vikram A Punathambekar wrote:
I'm pissed
My first impression when I read the subject was that you had too many :beer: :beer: :beer: As it turns out you need to get a few :beer: :beer: :beer: Life is short. :sigh: Don't sweat the petty things and don't pet the sweaty things. :-D - George Carlin
Simply Elegant Designs JimmyRopes Designs
Think inside the box! ProActive Secure Systems
I'm on-line therefore I am. JimmyRopesJimmyRopes wrote:
Life is short.
Well I would have to disagree with you on this. When you force a logoff there may be unsaved information that is lost and if by chance you managed to not save work for 3 hours and then locked the PC and someone forced you off, guess what?
CleaKO
"Now, a man would have opened both gates, driven through and not bothered to close either gate." - Marc Clifton (The Lounge)
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JimmyRopes wrote:
Life is short.
Well I would have to disagree with you on this. When you force a logoff there may be unsaved information that is lost and if by chance you managed to not save work for 3 hours and then locked the PC and someone forced you off, guess what?
CleaKO
"Now, a man would have opened both gates, driven through and not bothered to close either gate." - Marc Clifton (The Lounge)
CleaKO wrote:
if by chance you managed to not save work for 3 hours and then locked the PC and someone forced you off, guess what?
Step away without saving 3 hours work? :rolleyes: That is just asking for problems. :doh: I don't trust Windows to stay up for 3 hours at a time! X| An exaggeration of course, but, really, you should learn to save your work more often. :rolleyes: It will save you a lot of grief. :sigh:
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zoid ! wrote:
I do that all the time, I trust my co-workers. I guess it depends on where you work though.
Ive heard that argument before and that is just ignorant. There are many people that I trust that I wouldnt give the opportunity to steal from me, it just takes a second to take your wallet, lock your PC, lock up your purse, etc...
CleaKO
"Now, a man would have opened both gates, driven through and not bothered to close either gate." - Marc Clifton (The Lounge)
CleaKO wrote:
There are many people that I trust that I wouldnt give the opportunity to steal from me
Do you not see the contradiction in your statement? Either you trust them to not steal from you, or you don't. Maybe you trust them in some ways, but you definitely don't trust them completely. This is fine, and depending on the workplace / people that surround you, this is sometimes necessary. (and unfortunate). But, I have to disagree with you. If you really do trust the people you are with, I don't think that it is ignorant to not think that they will rob you.
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It seems to me that all you would have to do is right click on the desktop and change the primary monitor and or the extended toolbar options.
CleaKO
"Now, a man would have opened both gates, driven through and not bothered to close either gate." - Marc Clifton (The Lounge)
maybe. I'm not familiar with citrix from that end so it might not be possible. otoh it might be that none of the support staff are aware of it.
-- You have to explain to them [VB coders] what you mean by "typed". their first response is likely to be something like, "Of course my code is typed. Do you think i magically project it onto the screen with the power of my mind?" --- John Simmons / outlaw programmer
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Vikram A Punathambekar wrote:
a knowledge transfer session.
:confused: Vulcan mind meld?
"I'm a great believer in luck, and I find the harder I work the more I have of it." - Thomas Jefferson
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Last time i walked away from my desk without locking it, i ended buying lunch for my entire team....
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Vikram A Punathambekar wrote:
Not sure if you were kidding or genuinely confused.
The latter
Vikram A Punathambekar wrote:
I'm transitioning my knowledge to my boss and replacements.
OK... I didn't know such things had formal names.
"I'm a great believer in luck, and I find the harder I work the more I have of it." - Thomas Jefferson
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Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
I read a blog yesterday where a MSFT blogger mentioned how a David Crow...
...the Canadian. http://davidcrow.ca/[^]
"A good athlete is the result of a good and worthy opponent." - David Crow
"To have a respect for ourselves guides our morals; to have deference for others governs our manners." - Laurence Sterne
DavidCrow wrote:
...the Canadian. http://davidcrow.ca/\[^\]
Okay thanks. So why don't you have a web site then? Maybe davidcrow.com (unless it's taken). :-)
Regards, Nish
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My latest book : C++/CLI in Action / Amazon.com link -
CleaKO wrote:
There are many people that I trust that I wouldnt give the opportunity to steal from me
Do you not see the contradiction in your statement? Either you trust them to not steal from you, or you don't. Maybe you trust them in some ways, but you definitely don't trust them completely. This is fine, and depending on the workplace / people that surround you, this is sometimes necessary. (and unfortunate). But, I have to disagree with you. If you really do trust the people you are with, I don't think that it is ignorant to not think that they will rob you.
zoid ! wrote:
Do you not see the contradiction in your statement? Either you trust them to not steal from you, or you don't. Maybe you trust them in some ways, but you definitely don't trust them completely. This is fine, and depending on the workplace / people that surround you, this is sometimes necessary. (and unfortunate). But, I have to disagree with you. If you really do trust the people you are with, I don't think that it is ignorant to not think that they will rob you.
Possibly but let me put it this way. If I had $1 million and I laid it on my desk in the open where everyone could see it and they were all my best friends in the world would the temptation possibly be too much for some people?
CleaKO
"Now, a man would have opened both gates, driven through and not bothered to close either gate." - Marc Clifton (The Lounge)
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maybe. I'm not familiar with citrix from that end so it might not be possible. otoh it might be that none of the support staff are aware of it.
-- You have to explain to them [VB coders] what you mean by "typed". their first response is likely to be something like, "Of course my code is typed. Do you think i magically project it onto the screen with the power of my mind?" --- John Simmons / outlaw programmer
dan neely wrote:
maybe. I'm not familiar with citrix from that end so it might not be possible. otoh it might be that none of the support staff are aware of it.
I use VPN with Remote Desktop so Im unsure of how it would work with Citrix but I do know that things I leave on my secondary monitor are always pulled over to my primary monitor when I logon from home.
CleaKO
"Now, a man would have opened both gates, driven through and not bothered to close either gate." - Marc Clifton (The Lounge)
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DavidCrow wrote:
...the Canadian. http://davidcrow.ca/\[^\]
Okay thanks. So why don't you have a web site then? Maybe davidcrow.com (unless it's taken). :-)
Regards, Nish
Nish’s thoughts on MFC, C++/CLI and .NET (my blog)
My latest book : C++/CLI in Action / Amazon.com linkNishant Sivakumar wrote:
So why don't you have a web site then?
I've never had the need for one.
"A good athlete is the result of a good and worthy opponent." - David Crow
"To have a respect for ourselves guides our morals; to have deference for others governs our manners." - Laurence Sterne