It Doesn't Make Sense
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MatrixCoder wrote:
Maybe I'm thinking of ASP.Net. What's the difference between that and ASP? It's just like an upgrade (like VB6 and VB.Net), right?
I suppose you could consider it an upgrade. Pretty much in the same way that C++ is an "upgrade" of C. The two have a few things in common (5 objects in particular), but ASP.NET is a significant improvement. For starters:
- fully compiled code and perf
- backed by the innumerable classes of the .NET Framework
- capable of being written in many languages, including C#, VB, Ruby, Python, and even PHP
- pure HTML output
- built-in caching, including database and server-based caching
- built-in support for membership, personalization, user-modifiable pages
- nice control model
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This has bugged me for a long time. Most people here don't like VB for the fact that it is to easy and not nearly as powerful as many other languages, I agree. So most use C# or C++. But a lot of people here also like ASP over PHP. But how can the people who like C# and C++ not like PHP, when the languages share pretty much the same syntax? It seems like the majority would aim for something similar to what they already use. Am I wrong? Or is it just the fact that PHP is open-source/not Microsoft that turns people away? Plus, to use ASP you must use a Microsoft server, but from what I've heard MS servers are slow and they're always crashing. From what I've seen, ASP just looks like a bad version of PHP, and not at all as powerful. Why do people like it so much? :wtf:
Trinity: Neo... nobody has ever done this before. Neo: That's why it's going to work.
I do hate it for the fact that it has a complete brain-dead syntax and semantic, forcing the programmer (i.e. me) to adjust my habits to match the language, not the other way around.
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This has bugged me for a long time. Most people here don't like VB for the fact that it is to easy and not nearly as powerful as many other languages, I agree. So most use C# or C++. But a lot of people here also like ASP over PHP. But how can the people who like C# and C++ not like PHP, when the languages share pretty much the same syntax? It seems like the majority would aim for something similar to what they already use. Am I wrong? Or is it just the fact that PHP is open-source/not Microsoft that turns people away? Plus, to use ASP you must use a Microsoft server, but from what I've heard MS servers are slow and they're always crashing. From what I've seen, ASP just looks like a bad version of PHP, and not at all as powerful. Why do people like it so much? :wtf:
Trinity: Neo... nobody has ever done this before. Neo: That's why it's going to work.
MatrixCoder wrote:
From what I've seen, ASP just looks like a bad version of PHP, and not at all as powerful. Why do people like it so much?
They have to, otherwise there will be no CodeProject.com! :-D
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This has bugged me for a long time. Most people here don't like VB for the fact that it is to easy and not nearly as powerful as many other languages, I agree. So most use C# or C++. But a lot of people here also like ASP over PHP. But how can the people who like C# and C++ not like PHP, when the languages share pretty much the same syntax? It seems like the majority would aim for something similar to what they already use. Am I wrong? Or is it just the fact that PHP is open-source/not Microsoft that turns people away? Plus, to use ASP you must use a Microsoft server, but from what I've heard MS servers are slow and they're always crashing. From what I've seen, ASP just looks like a bad version of PHP, and not at all as powerful. Why do people like it so much? :wtf:
Trinity: Neo... nobody has ever done this before. Neo: That's why it's going to work.
MatrixCoder wrote:
Why do people like it so much?
ASP can call COM compoonents - where C++ programmers can write the serious functionality. But without the COM benefit, PHP dances all over ASP. But then.... ASP.NET came along. I used to be a fan of PHP but then I divorced her and married the curvacious & intelligent ASP.NET (using C# of course!). ;)
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This has bugged me for a long time. Most people here don't like VB for the fact that it is to easy and not nearly as powerful as many other languages, I agree. So most use C# or C++. But a lot of people here also like ASP over PHP. But how can the people who like C# and C++ not like PHP, when the languages share pretty much the same syntax? It seems like the majority would aim for something similar to what they already use. Am I wrong? Or is it just the fact that PHP is open-source/not Microsoft that turns people away? Plus, to use ASP you must use a Microsoft server, but from what I've heard MS servers are slow and they're always crashing. From what I've seen, ASP just looks like a bad version of PHP, and not at all as powerful. Why do people like it so much? :wtf:
Trinity: Neo... nobody has ever done this before. Neo: That's why it's going to work.
MatrixCoder wrote:
So most use C# or C++.
C# is usually no more powerful than VB.NET, it just has less rubbish attached to it.
MatrixCoder wrote:
But a lot of people here also like ASP over PHP
How could anyone like ASP ?
MatrixCoder wrote:
But how can the people who like C# and C++ not like PHP, when the languages share pretty much the same syntax?
ASP.NET *is* C# syntax, and it leaves ASP and PHP for dead.
MatrixCoder wrote:
but from what I've heard MS servers are slow and they're always crashing.
ROTFL - that tells me a lot abou the usefulness of your info sources.
MatrixCoder wrote:
Why do people like it so much?
I can't believe that they do, I think you just don't realise what ASP.NET is.
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MatrixCoder wrote:
It's just like an upgrade (like VB6 and VB.Net), right?
Yes, in the same way that VB.NET is an entirely new language that happens to have VB in tha name, ASP.NET is an entirely new framework that just happens to have ASP in the name. ASP.NET has as much to do with PHP as it does with ASP.
Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ Metal Musings - Rex and my new metal blog "I am working on a project that will convert a FORTRAN code to corresponding C++ code.I am not aware of FORTRAN syntax" ( spotted in the C++/CLI forum )
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This has bugged me for a long time. Most people here don't like VB for the fact that it is to easy and not nearly as powerful as many other languages, I agree. So most use C# or C++. But a lot of people here also like ASP over PHP. But how can the people who like C# and C++ not like PHP, when the languages share pretty much the same syntax? It seems like the majority would aim for something similar to what they already use. Am I wrong? Or is it just the fact that PHP is open-source/not Microsoft that turns people away? Plus, to use ASP you must use a Microsoft server, but from what I've heard MS servers are slow and they're always crashing. From what I've seen, ASP just looks like a bad version of PHP, and not at all as powerful. Why do people like it so much? :wtf:
Trinity: Neo... nobody has ever done this before. Neo: That's why it's going to work.
MatrixCoder wrote:
but from what I've heard MS servers are slow and they're always crashing
If that were true our business would have been in some serious trouble since our entire web presence, support forums and email are hosted on a 2003 server not to mention all our development servers here in our shop, none of which have crashed *ever* since they went into action.
MatrixCoder wrote:
Most people here don't like VB for the fact that it is to easy and not nearly as powerful as many other languages
I don't think that's the reason people here are so vocal about it, sadly some just like to put others down so that they can feel better about themselves or they like that "C++/# boys club no VBgirls allowed" mentality.
MatrixCoder wrote:
From what I've seen, ASP just looks like a bad version of PHP, and not at all as powerful. Why do people like it so much?
You do realize this is a mainly Microsoft centric board don't you? Reverse the question and post it on a PHP board and see what answers you get, probably the same as the ones I can predict without reading that already replied to you.
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MatrixCoder wrote:
but from what I've heard MS servers are slow and they're always crashing
If that were true our business would have been in some serious trouble since our entire web presence, support forums and email are hosted on a 2003 server not to mention all our development servers here in our shop, none of which have crashed *ever* since they went into action.
MatrixCoder wrote:
Most people here don't like VB for the fact that it is to easy and not nearly as powerful as many other languages
I don't think that's the reason people here are so vocal about it, sadly some just like to put others down so that they can feel better about themselves or they like that "C++/# boys club no VBgirls allowed" mentality.
MatrixCoder wrote:
From what I've seen, ASP just looks like a bad version of PHP, and not at all as powerful. Why do people like it so much?
You do realize this is a mainly Microsoft centric board don't you? Reverse the question and post it on a PHP board and see what answers you get, probably the same as the ones I can predict without reading that already replied to you.
"110%" - it's the new 70%
John Cardinal wrote:
You do realize this is a mainly Microsoft centric board don't you? Reverse the question and post it on a PHP board and see what answers you get, probably the same as the ones I can predict without reading that already replied to you.
Actually, I would predict that responses on a PHP board would be an order of magnitude more violent than responses here... there's a difference about people (in my experience -- exceptions allowed) that are open source advocates and those who are not: open souce followers are quite religious about it (open source is the and only way) while commercial software followers are more open to options (I happen to work with MS software, but if for some situation Java is better, I'll take it).
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This has bugged me for a long time. Most people here don't like VB for the fact that it is to easy and not nearly as powerful as many other languages, I agree. So most use C# or C++. But a lot of people here also like ASP over PHP. But how can the people who like C# and C++ not like PHP, when the languages share pretty much the same syntax? It seems like the majority would aim for something similar to what they already use. Am I wrong? Or is it just the fact that PHP is open-source/not Microsoft that turns people away? Plus, to use ASP you must use a Microsoft server, but from what I've heard MS servers are slow and they're always crashing. From what I've seen, ASP just looks like a bad version of PHP, and not at all as powerful. Why do people like it so much? :wtf:
Trinity: Neo... nobody has ever done this before. Neo: That's why it's going to work.
As a long, long, long time contractor I just follow the money. If someone wants to pay me to use "Ladies ASP" or VB or whatever, I most certainly will. I may feel happier using c# or some other 'proper' language but, just this week, I'm being paid healthy sums of cash to reinvigorate a Classic ASP web site. Maybe next week I'll do Java. All of those of you who moan about or sneer at any language are missing the point. You're code snobs. Who cares? It's like being a car mechanic. Would you refuse to service a Buick cos you normally only work on Cadillacs? Like hell you would. If you had to you'd pick up the manual and learn.
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This has bugged me for a long time. Most people here don't like VB for the fact that it is to easy and not nearly as powerful as many other languages, I agree. So most use C# or C++. But a lot of people here also like ASP over PHP. But how can the people who like C# and C++ not like PHP, when the languages share pretty much the same syntax? It seems like the majority would aim for something similar to what they already use. Am I wrong? Or is it just the fact that PHP is open-source/not Microsoft that turns people away? Plus, to use ASP you must use a Microsoft server, but from what I've heard MS servers are slow and they're always crashing. From what I've seen, ASP just looks like a bad version of PHP, and not at all as powerful. Why do people like it so much? :wtf:
Trinity: Neo... nobody has ever done this before. Neo: That's why it's going to work.
I don't know about VB.NET, but VB<=6 isn't easy, it just tries to pass as easy. It's like a girl that acts all posh and prissy, but once you scrub the color off it's a letdown. ASP ia a serverrt technology that isn't tied to VB, you can use it with JavaScript/JScript, too. I've had a student with slight "MS/ASP/VB is bad" attitude here. In his first project he had a choice between PHP and ASP, pickt PHP for preference. On his secoind project, he was had to do ASP, and felt immensly more empowered than with PHP.
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This has bugged me for a long time. Most people here don't like VB for the fact that it is to easy and not nearly as powerful as many other languages, I agree. So most use C# or C++. But a lot of people here also like ASP over PHP. But how can the people who like C# and C++ not like PHP, when the languages share pretty much the same syntax? It seems like the majority would aim for something similar to what they already use. Am I wrong? Or is it just the fact that PHP is open-source/not Microsoft that turns people away? Plus, to use ASP you must use a Microsoft server, but from what I've heard MS servers are slow and they're always crashing. From what I've seen, ASP just looks like a bad version of PHP, and not at all as powerful. Why do people like it so much? :wtf:
Trinity: Neo... nobody has ever done this before. Neo: That's why it's going to work.
I use PHP...
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