Is God the best programmer?
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evilnoodle wrote:
Do you think this little planet we find ourselves on was the only one of 10 billion others to spawn life as complex as us all by it's little old self?
No, there are almost certainly other planets which developed life too (we just don't have the science to prove it yet) - It has nothing to do with god as there is no such thing, no offence.
Jonathan Wilkes Darka [Xanya.net]
Well said. :)
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Dario Solera wrote:
There's no god.
There is, and his name is Chuck Norris.:-D
Deja View - the feeling that you've seen this post before.
Pete O`Hanlon wrote:
There is, and his name is Chuck Norris.
Sorry, my fault. :-D
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Dario Solera wrote:
There's no god.
Maybe someday you will create a program (a really cool program) about AI. Then, your program will have "intelligence". And maybe (year, maybe) your creation program will forget you. And maybe (maybe!) your creation/program will speak: "I'm intelligent. I know how I was created. I can read my DNA source code and to tell exactly how was my creation process. (And ignoring how the chain of proteins, etc, works in a living being and not in death beings the comments in the source code, your AI program may say: There's no god programmer. :~
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.(John 3:16) :badger:
Nice story. The common misconception is that, if we (mankind) don't understand something, then it must have been created by God. How absurd it is.
If you truly believe you need to pick a mobile phone that "says something" about your personality, don't bother. You don't have a personality. A mental illness, maybe - but not a personality. - Charlie Brooker My Blog - My Photos - ScrewTurn Wiki
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Dario Solera wrote:
There's no god.
Maybe someday you will create a program (a really cool program) about AI. Then, your program will have "intelligence". And maybe (year, maybe) your creation program will forget you. And maybe (maybe!) your creation/program will speak: "I'm intelligent. I know how I was created. I can read my DNA source code and to tell exactly how was my creation process. (And ignoring how the chain of proteins, etc, works in a living being and not in death beings the comments in the source code, your AI program may say: There's no god programmer. :~
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.(John 3:16) :badger:
The main difference is that if the AI software became self aware it would know it was created as there would be plenty of evidence for it, whereas those who believe in god think they are created and yet have no proof whatsoever. no offence
Jonathan Wilkes Darka [Xanya.net]
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Yeah, tell that to his wife!
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Chuck Norris is the best programmer.
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The main difference is that if the AI software became self aware it would know it was created as there would be plenty of evidence for it, whereas those who believe in god think they are created and yet have no proof whatsoever. no offence
Jonathan Wilkes Darka [Xanya.net]
Jonathan [Darka] wrote:
those who believe in god think they are created and yet have no proof whatsoever.
faith ;)
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.(John 3:16) :badger:
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Lol! Hopefully we can understand it one day by using massively networked PCs like the Human Genome Project, to map the DNA and its behaviours.
We're getting closer and closer. Apparently God put a lot of junk in our DNA: Clickety:doh:
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Jonathan [Darka] wrote:
those who believe in god think they are created and yet have no proof whatsoever.
faith ;)
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.(John 3:16) :badger:
Some of us need more than faith, we require scientific evidence. Blind faith is dangerous, just look at the current conflicts occuring in the world because of faith.
Jonathan Wilkes Darka [Xanya.net]
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We're getting closer and closer. Apparently God put a lot of junk in our DNA: Clickety:doh:
not god, evolution and mutation. Did you read the article....
The term for them is "junk" DNA, reflecting the presumption that they are merely driftwood from our evolutionary past and have no biological function.
Jonathan Wilkes Darka [Xanya.net]
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Some of us need more than faith, we require scientific evidence. Blind faith is dangerous, just look at the current conflicts occuring in the world because of faith.
Jonathan Wilkes Darka [Xanya.net]
"Concept and design necessitate an intelligent designer. The presence of intelligent design proves the existence of an intelligent designer." William A. Dembski This makes sense! Do you think that "the way things work" is by chance, that everything just came into existance through evolution. I do believe in evolution, but what's driving it? And not only the evolution of life, what about matter and elements and the ways they interact. Water, for instance is the only element that becomes less dense when in a solid state, and for this reason the polar ice caps of the North Pole stays afloat. The amount of water in the ice caps are enough to flood the entire planet if suddenly one day (as an example) they should melt. Let's assume water didnt have this property, where would we be? Maybe a race of super intelligent fish? Would we be having this very discussion on an underwater internet? Would we ever have evolved so far? You can't answer that btw, because ice floats. -- modified at 3:42 Monday 18th June, 2007
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not god, evolution and mutation. Did you read the article....
The term for them is "junk" DNA, reflecting the presumption that they are merely driftwood from our evolutionary past and have no biological function.
Jonathan Wilkes Darka [Xanya.net]
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In an old ATL book, the author dedicates the book to God, saying God is the best programmer, because God programs DNA. I think there is a loophole in his logic. God can do anything he likes to his whim, like make water's element to be O2H instead of H2O. For example, He makes every people with gene xyz is an intellectually challenged idiot, similar He can also make every people with gene abc and not xyz is an idiot without any reason. That's not programming! Programming have to follow certain language syntax and logic! Note: God here refers to the creator of the universe, not God in any particular religions, and could be imaginary for all you know.
God is great. God has created a bug free Project
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"Concept and design necessitate an intelligent designer. The presence of intelligent design proves the existence of an intelligent designer." William A. Dembski This makes sense! Do you think that "the way things work" is by chance, that everything just came into existance through evolution. I do believe in evolution, but what's driving it? And not only the evolution of life, what about matter and elements and the ways they interact. Water, for instance is the only element that becomes less dense when in a solid state, and for this reason the polar ice caps of the North Pole stays afloat. The amount of water in the ice caps are enough to flood the entire planet if suddenly one day (as an example) they should melt. Let's assume water didnt have this property, where would we be? Maybe a race of super intelligent fish? Would we be having this very discussion on an underwater internet? Would we ever have evolved so far? You can't answer that btw, because ice floats. -- modified at 3:42 Monday 18th June, 2007
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If you believe that god exists then he should be put to the same scientific scrutiny as everything else and subject to the same observational requirements to prove a theory as fact, or to dismiss it. Either you have scientific proof of gods existence or you don't, but just saying I believe in god because the world is too complex for me to understand is ludicrus and does not prove anything.
evilnoodle wrote:
Do you think that "the way things work" is by chance, that everything just came into existance through evolution.
You are missing the point, evolution is NOT chance, its not random its a natural process resulting in life which is better suited to the changing conditions it lives in.
evilnoodle wrote:
And not only the evolution of life, what about matter and elements and the ways they interact.
Thats called the laws of physics, chemistry and biology, all of which can be proven without the need for a god figure. Unlike creationists, evolutionists would drop the theory (of evolution) in an instant if scientific evidence proved the theory was wrong, creationist just don't listen to scientific evidence because they don't understand/need it for their beliefs. In a creationist's view anything complex MUST have an intelligent designer, which is just wrong.
Jonathan Wilkes Darka [Xanya.net]
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There's no god.
If you truly believe you need to pick a mobile phone that "says something" about your personality, don't bother. You don't have a personality. A mental illness, maybe - but not a personality. - Charlie Brooker My Blog - My Photos - ScrewTurn Wiki
Do you believe in good and evil? Think carefully before just answering... Do you believe in red and blue? Are you sure what you're seeing as red isn't what some others see as blue? How can you prove that red is red? In that same way, how do you draw the line between good & bad?
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Do you believe in good and evil? Think carefully before just answering... Do you believe in red and blue? Are you sure what you're seeing as red isn't what some others see as blue? How can you prove that red is red? In that same way, how do you draw the line between good & bad?
_______________________________________________________________________ "you can't forget something you never knew..." M. Du Toit "Watching Migthy Joe Young made me hate my life..................................I want a gorilla!" A. Havemann http://www.myspace.com/manicevilnoodle
And what has this to do with god?
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You beat me to it.
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You beat me to saying he beat me to it. I was out to lunch. :doh:
Cheers, Vıkram.
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"Concept and design necessitate an intelligent designer. The presence of intelligent design proves the existence of an intelligent designer." William A. Dembski This makes sense! Do you think that "the way things work" is by chance, that everything just came into existance through evolution. I do believe in evolution, but what's driving it? And not only the evolution of life, what about matter and elements and the ways they interact. Water, for instance is the only element that becomes less dense when in a solid state, and for this reason the polar ice caps of the North Pole stays afloat. The amount of water in the ice caps are enough to flood the entire planet if suddenly one day (as an example) they should melt. Let's assume water didnt have this property, where would we be? Maybe a race of super intelligent fish? Would we be having this very discussion on an underwater internet? Would we ever have evolved so far? You can't answer that btw, because ice floats. -- modified at 3:42 Monday 18th June, 2007
_______________________________________________________________________ "you can't forget something you never knew..." M. Du Toit "Watching Migthy Joe Young made me hate my life..................................I want a gorilla!" A. Havemann http://www.myspace.com/manicevilnoodle
evilnoodle wrote:
The presence of intelligent design proves the existence of an intelligent designer
The presence of this assertion proves a lack of common sense. This is a logical fallacy called called begging the question. You cannot use something to be proved as proof. This Dembski is either an idiot, or takes his audience to be idiots.
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Do you believe in good and evil? Think carefully before just answering... Do you believe in red and blue? Are you sure what you're seeing as red isn't what some others see as blue? How can you prove that red is red? In that same way, how do you draw the line between good & bad?
_______________________________________________________________________ "you can't forget something you never knew..." M. Du Toit "Watching Migthy Joe Young made me hate my life..................................I want a gorilla!" A. Havemann http://www.myspace.com/manicevilnoodle
evilnoodle wrote:
Do you believe in good and evil?
Actually no, typically through evolutionary processes organisms with do both selfish and selfless things because it helps them become a better organism, better as in better suited to survive their environments, not better from the religious point of view. Some people do stupid/bad things just because they want to, just as virtually all religions persecute (evil) those who do not share the same beliefs. The only people who believe in good and evil are religious types as they feel the need to label themselves (good) and unbelievers as bad (evil) to justify their hated of others that do not share their religious views.
evilnoodle wrote:
How can you prove that red is red?
Because it falls within a specific spectrum of light, which can be proven scientifically. -- modified at 6:02 Friday 15th June, 2007
Jonathan Wilkes Darka [Xanya.net]