What language do you think in?
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Usually some mix of Javascript and C++. For HTML, i just draw rough pictures of what i want and where it should be in relation to other things, then type out the corresponding markup. I don't think in markup, even when i'm writing it.
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Yes, but can you blame them for doing so if that's the only legal way they can hire programmers they want at the rate they can afford?
-- Nish on sketchy hiring practices
Shog9 wrote:
For HTML, i just draw rough pictures of what i want and where it should be in relation to other things, then type out the corresponding markup. I don't think in markup, even when i'm writing it.
I use CSS for the most part for the visual aspect of it, so all i have for the actual HTML markup is the structural tags, and when i have a column of five identical closing divs it's easy to to screw up when not paying attention Roswell
"Angelinos -- excuse me. There will be civility today."
Antonio VillaRaigosa
City Mayor, Los Angeles, CA -
This may be an odd question to ask, but what language do you automatically start writing/designing in when you need to make notes of an idea you will use in a project? Assuming a language of the project hasn't been assigned yet. Most of the stuff i write when i make notes (on paper) is not something that would compile, but i find it efficient enough and it does a decent job as far as putting the idea into solid form, before details get lost and a good portion of it evaporates. It's PHP syntax for the most part with a slight bit of PERL mixed in, variables are typed. When i'm making notes of HTML, (when i'm working on a layout), i write the opening "div" or "span" tags properly, but i close them with a </div-id> where the div id reduces the chances of closing a tag twice or not at all. For data drawn from a database i used to write "db" in front of the variable name to remind me, but over time that has morphed into an "O" with a vertical line through it. Roswell:)
"Angelinos -- excuse me. There will be civility today."
Antonio VillaRaigosa
City Mayor, Los Angeles, CANo language it's all visual. I have a brain that works best with visual input and visual memory. I literally picture an image of what the idea will look like to remember it. I was on a bike ride the other day and in the middle thought of an idea and just so I wouldn't forget it I visualized a screenshot of it in my head and I can still see it perfectly right now without having written it down or anything. (I'm just too lazy to implement it being on holidays right now :))
"110%" - it's the new 70%
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Shog9 wrote:
For HTML, i just draw rough pictures of what i want and where it should be in relation to other things, then type out the corresponding markup. I don't think in markup, even when i'm writing it.
I use CSS for the most part for the visual aspect of it, so all i have for the actual HTML markup is the structural tags, and when i have a column of five identical closing divs it's easy to to screw up when not paying attention Roswell
"Angelinos -- excuse me. There will be civility today."
Antonio VillaRaigosa
City Mayor, Los Angeles, CARoswellNX wrote:
when i have a column of five identical closing divs it's easy to to screw up when not paying attention
Heh, that's where a good editor and judicious use of indentation helps... ;)
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Yes, but can you blame them for doing so if that's the only legal way they can hire programmers they want at the rate they can afford?
-- Nish on sketchy hiring practices
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This may be an odd question to ask, but what language do you automatically start writing/designing in when you need to make notes of an idea you will use in a project? Assuming a language of the project hasn't been assigned yet. Most of the stuff i write when i make notes (on paper) is not something that would compile, but i find it efficient enough and it does a decent job as far as putting the idea into solid form, before details get lost and a good portion of it evaporates. It's PHP syntax for the most part with a slight bit of PERL mixed in, variables are typed. When i'm making notes of HTML, (when i'm working on a layout), i write the opening "div" or "span" tags properly, but i close them with a </div-id> where the div id reduces the chances of closing a tag twice or not at all. For data drawn from a database i used to write "db" in front of the variable name to remind me, but over time that has morphed into an "O" with a vertical line through it. Roswell:)
"Angelinos -- excuse me. There will be civility today."
Antonio VillaRaigosa
City Mayor, Los Angeles, CAKlingon for user interface, Romulan for the data access layer, and Vulcan for the business rules. Marc
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This may be an odd question to ask, but what language do you automatically start writing/designing in when you need to make notes of an idea you will use in a project? Assuming a language of the project hasn't been assigned yet. Most of the stuff i write when i make notes (on paper) is not something that would compile, but i find it efficient enough and it does a decent job as far as putting the idea into solid form, before details get lost and a good portion of it evaporates. It's PHP syntax for the most part with a slight bit of PERL mixed in, variables are typed. When i'm making notes of HTML, (when i'm working on a layout), i write the opening "div" or "span" tags properly, but i close them with a </div-id> where the div id reduces the chances of closing a tag twice or not at all. For data drawn from a database i used to write "db" in front of the variable name to remind me, but over time that has morphed into an "O" with a vertical line through it. Roswell:)
"Angelinos -- excuse me. There will be civility today."
Antonio VillaRaigosa
City Mayor, Los Angeles, CA -
This may be an odd question to ask, but what language do you automatically start writing/designing in when you need to make notes of an idea you will use in a project? Assuming a language of the project hasn't been assigned yet. Most of the stuff i write when i make notes (on paper) is not something that would compile, but i find it efficient enough and it does a decent job as far as putting the idea into solid form, before details get lost and a good portion of it evaporates. It's PHP syntax for the most part with a slight bit of PERL mixed in, variables are typed. When i'm making notes of HTML, (when i'm working on a layout), i write the opening "div" or "span" tags properly, but i close them with a </div-id> where the div id reduces the chances of closing a tag twice or not at all. For data drawn from a database i used to write "db" in front of the variable name to remind me, but over time that has morphed into an "O" with a vertical line through it. Roswell:)
"Angelinos -- excuse me. There will be civility today."
Antonio VillaRaigosa
City Mayor, Los Angeles, CA -
This may be an odd question to ask, but what language do you automatically start writing/designing in when you need to make notes of an idea you will use in a project? Assuming a language of the project hasn't been assigned yet. Most of the stuff i write when i make notes (on paper) is not something that would compile, but i find it efficient enough and it does a decent job as far as putting the idea into solid form, before details get lost and a good portion of it evaporates. It's PHP syntax for the most part with a slight bit of PERL mixed in, variables are typed. When i'm making notes of HTML, (when i'm working on a layout), i write the opening "div" or "span" tags properly, but i close them with a </div-id> where the div id reduces the chances of closing a tag twice or not at all. For data drawn from a database i used to write "db" in front of the variable name to remind me, but over time that has morphed into an "O" with a vertical line through it. Roswell:)
"Angelinos -- excuse me. There will be civility today."
Antonio VillaRaigosa
City Mayor, Los Angeles, CARoswellNX wrote:
This may be an odd question to ask, but what language do you automatically start writing/designing in when you need to make notes
Gibberish. Could this be a root of my career stalling?
"We are all repositories for genetically-encoded information that we're all spreading back and forth amongst each other, all the time. We're just lousy with information." - Neal Stephenson
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Klingon for user interface, Romulan for the data access layer, and Vulcan for the business rules. Marc
Your post reminds me of this list: 12. Specifications are for the weak and timid! 11. This machine is a piece of GAGH! I need dual Pentium processors if I am to do battle with this code! 10. You cannot really appreciate Dilbert unless you've read it in the original Klingon. 9. Indentation?! -- I will show you how to indent when I indent your skull! 8. What is this talk of 'release'? Klingons do not make software 'releases'. Our software 'escapes' leaving a bloody trail of designers and quality assurance people in its wake. 7. Klingon function calls do not have 'parameters' -- they have 'arguments' -- and they ALWAYS WIN THEM. 6. Debugging? Klingons do not debug. Our software does not coddle the weak. 5. I have challenged the entire quality assurance team to a Bat-Leth contest. They will not concern us again. 4. A TRUE Klingon Warrior does not comment his code! 3. By filing this SPR you have challenged the honor of my family. Prepare to die! 2. You question the worthiness of my code? I should kill you where you stand! 1. Our users will know fear and cower before our software. Ship it! Ship it, and let them flee like the dogs they are!
"We are all repositories for genetically-encoded information that we're all spreading back and forth amongst each other, all the time. We're just lousy with information." - Neal Stephenson
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Your post reminds me of this list: 12. Specifications are for the weak and timid! 11. This machine is a piece of GAGH! I need dual Pentium processors if I am to do battle with this code! 10. You cannot really appreciate Dilbert unless you've read it in the original Klingon. 9. Indentation?! -- I will show you how to indent when I indent your skull! 8. What is this talk of 'release'? Klingons do not make software 'releases'. Our software 'escapes' leaving a bloody trail of designers and quality assurance people in its wake. 7. Klingon function calls do not have 'parameters' -- they have 'arguments' -- and they ALWAYS WIN THEM. 6. Debugging? Klingons do not debug. Our software does not coddle the weak. 5. I have challenged the entire quality assurance team to a Bat-Leth contest. They will not concern us again. 4. A TRUE Klingon Warrior does not comment his code! 3. By filing this SPR you have challenged the honor of my family. Prepare to die! 2. You question the worthiness of my code? I should kill you where you stand! 1. Our users will know fear and cower before our software. Ship it! Ship it, and let them flee like the dogs they are!
"We are all repositories for genetically-encoded information that we're all spreading back and forth amongst each other, all the time. We're just lousy with information." - Neal Stephenson
This list is awesome
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Pseudocode[^], with C syntax mixed in.
achimera wrote:
Pseudocode[^],
Did you actually think that most people who frequent the Lounge don't know what pseudocode is, and would need to read the Wikipedia explanation? :|
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This may be an odd question to ask, but what language do you automatically start writing/designing in when you need to make notes of an idea you will use in a project? Assuming a language of the project hasn't been assigned yet. Most of the stuff i write when i make notes (on paper) is not something that would compile, but i find it efficient enough and it does a decent job as far as putting the idea into solid form, before details get lost and a good portion of it evaporates. It's PHP syntax for the most part with a slight bit of PERL mixed in, variables are typed. When i'm making notes of HTML, (when i'm working on a layout), i write the opening "div" or "span" tags properly, but i close them with a </div-id> where the div id reduces the chances of closing a tag twice or not at all. For data drawn from a database i used to write "db" in front of the variable name to remind me, but over time that has morphed into an "O" with a vertical line through it. Roswell:)
"Angelinos -- excuse me. There will be civility today."
Antonio VillaRaigosa
City Mayor, Los Angeles, CALatin. Sometimes ancient Greek.
:josh: My WPF Blog[^] FYI - Bob is a scarecrow who keeps Chuck Norris away from CodeProject.
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No language it's all visual. I have a brain that works best with visual input and visual memory. I literally picture an image of what the idea will look like to remember it. I was on a bike ride the other day and in the middle thought of an idea and just so I wouldn't forget it I visualized a screenshot of it in my head and I can still see it perfectly right now without having written it down or anything. (I'm just too lazy to implement it being on holidays right now :))
"110%" - it's the new 70%
Yeah, pretty much.
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This may be an odd question to ask, but what language do you automatically start writing/designing in when you need to make notes of an idea you will use in a project? Assuming a language of the project hasn't been assigned yet. Most of the stuff i write when i make notes (on paper) is not something that would compile, but i find it efficient enough and it does a decent job as far as putting the idea into solid form, before details get lost and a good portion of it evaporates. It's PHP syntax for the most part with a slight bit of PERL mixed in, variables are typed. When i'm making notes of HTML, (when i'm working on a layout), i write the opening "div" or "span" tags properly, but i close them with a </div-id> where the div id reduces the chances of closing a tag twice or not at all. For data drawn from a database i used to write "db" in front of the variable name to remind me, but over time that has morphed into an "O" with a vertical line through it. Roswell:)
"Angelinos -- excuse me. There will be civility today."
Antonio VillaRaigosa
City Mayor, Los Angeles, CAWe had a professor from S. Korea who taught us to use pseudocode. He would say, "You should hand-simulate at least 20 minutes each night!" The words, plus the accent, made it seem so dirty. But once I get the logic it's mostly c#, sometimes c++ (what we used in college) and some vb (damn access!)
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This may be an odd question to ask, but what language do you automatically start writing/designing in when you need to make notes of an idea you will use in a project? Assuming a language of the project hasn't been assigned yet. Most of the stuff i write when i make notes (on paper) is not something that would compile, but i find it efficient enough and it does a decent job as far as putting the idea into solid form, before details get lost and a good portion of it evaporates. It's PHP syntax for the most part with a slight bit of PERL mixed in, variables are typed. When i'm making notes of HTML, (when i'm working on a layout), i write the opening "div" or "span" tags properly, but i close them with a </div-id> where the div id reduces the chances of closing a tag twice or not at all. For data drawn from a database i used to write "db" in front of the variable name to remind me, but over time that has morphed into an "O" with a vertical line through it. Roswell:)
"Angelinos -- excuse me. There will be civility today."
Antonio VillaRaigosa
City Mayor, Los Angeles, CAI use English. I seem to have a knack of describing things well, in a an unambiguous, technical way.
RoswellNX wrote:
but i close them with a where the div id reduces the chances of closing a tag twice or not at all
Why are you worried about closing tags matching now? Surely you are not coding but designing, and I would think closing tags is really an implementation issue.
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This may be an odd question to ask, but what language do you automatically start writing/designing in when you need to make notes of an idea you will use in a project? Assuming a language of the project hasn't been assigned yet. Most of the stuff i write when i make notes (on paper) is not something that would compile, but i find it efficient enough and it does a decent job as far as putting the idea into solid form, before details get lost and a good portion of it evaporates. It's PHP syntax for the most part with a slight bit of PERL mixed in, variables are typed. When i'm making notes of HTML, (when i'm working on a layout), i write the opening "div" or "span" tags properly, but i close them with a </div-id> where the div id reduces the chances of closing a tag twice or not at all. For data drawn from a database i used to write "db" in front of the variable name to remind me, but over time that has morphed into an "O" with a vertical line through it. Roswell:)
"Angelinos -- excuse me. There will be civility today."
Antonio VillaRaigosa
City Mayor, Los Angeles, CAA variant of HTML Markup. :)
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I use English. I seem to have a knack of describing things well, in a an unambiguous, technical way.
RoswellNX wrote:
but i close them with a where the div id reduces the chances of closing a tag twice or not at all
Why are you worried about closing tags matching now? Surely you are not coding but designing, and I would think closing tags is really an implementation issue.
When you are working/testing with two browsers that handle CSS each their own way (IE & FF) the same mishap renders differently, so you don't always now exactly what you did until you go over the code and look for bugs/mistakes...but when i have a fairly long page where i have to scroll to see the opening tag of a div, it's easy to lose track of where a tag is supposed to close and how many closing tags there are. I refrain from using tables or images in my layouts, so there's easily a hundred div tags in a document. Roswell
"Angelinos -- excuse me. There will be civility today."
Antonio VillaRaigosa
City Mayor, Los Angeles, CA -
This may be an odd question to ask, but what language do you automatically start writing/designing in when you need to make notes of an idea you will use in a project? Assuming a language of the project hasn't been assigned yet. Most of the stuff i write when i make notes (on paper) is not something that would compile, but i find it efficient enough and it does a decent job as far as putting the idea into solid form, before details get lost and a good portion of it evaporates. It's PHP syntax for the most part with a slight bit of PERL mixed in, variables are typed. When i'm making notes of HTML, (when i'm working on a layout), i write the opening "div" or "span" tags properly, but i close them with a </div-id> where the div id reduces the chances of closing a tag twice or not at all. For data drawn from a database i used to write "db" in front of the variable name to remind me, but over time that has morphed into an "O" with a vertical line through it. Roswell:)
"Angelinos -- excuse me. There will be civility today."
Antonio VillaRaigosa
City Mayor, Los Angeles, CARoswellNX wrote:
What language do you think in?
English.
Cheers, Vıkram.
After all is said and done, much is said and little is done.
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Your post reminds me of this list: 12. Specifications are for the weak and timid! 11. This machine is a piece of GAGH! I need dual Pentium processors if I am to do battle with this code! 10. You cannot really appreciate Dilbert unless you've read it in the original Klingon. 9. Indentation?! -- I will show you how to indent when I indent your skull! 8. What is this talk of 'release'? Klingons do not make software 'releases'. Our software 'escapes' leaving a bloody trail of designers and quality assurance people in its wake. 7. Klingon function calls do not have 'parameters' -- they have 'arguments' -- and they ALWAYS WIN THEM. 6. Debugging? Klingons do not debug. Our software does not coddle the weak. 5. I have challenged the entire quality assurance team to a Bat-Leth contest. They will not concern us again. 4. A TRUE Klingon Warrior does not comment his code! 3. By filing this SPR you have challenged the honor of my family. Prepare to die! 2. You question the worthiness of my code? I should kill you where you stand! 1. Our users will know fear and cower before our software. Ship it! Ship it, and let them flee like the dogs they are!
"We are all repositories for genetically-encoded information that we're all spreading back and forth amongst each other, all the time. We're just lousy with information." - Neal Stephenson
My mouse slipped, honest!!! I was clicking on the 5 and got the 4 instead.... :doh: I always enjoy that list. :) even when I give the programmers trouble for following it. :laugh:
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
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This may be an odd question to ask, but what language do you automatically start writing/designing in when you need to make notes of an idea you will use in a project? Assuming a language of the project hasn't been assigned yet. Most of the stuff i write when i make notes (on paper) is not something that would compile, but i find it efficient enough and it does a decent job as far as putting the idea into solid form, before details get lost and a good portion of it evaporates. It's PHP syntax for the most part with a slight bit of PERL mixed in, variables are typed. When i'm making notes of HTML, (when i'm working on a layout), i write the opening "div" or "span" tags properly, but i close them with a </div-id> where the div id reduces the chances of closing a tag twice or not at all. For data drawn from a database i used to write "db" in front of the variable name to remind me, but over time that has morphed into an "O" with a vertical line through it. Roswell:)
"Angelinos -- excuse me. There will be civility today."
Antonio VillaRaigosa
City Mayor, Los Angeles, CARoswellNX wrote:
but what language do you automatically start writing/designing in when you need to make notes of an idea you will use in a project?
Ironically, I do not, first. I visualize the end product in full complexity, break down the parts into functional pieces akin to operrating virtual-mechanical devices, and draw them with pen and ink (aka "art"). Pseudo-code which barely qualifies as english, closer to C/Forth using indendation to block/group rather than open/close, occurs later in design after data-flow and other patterns are accounted for. So initial designing is more akin to sketches than code. You might find a few short-hand scribbles with the drawings to describe motions and operating environments.
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
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Latin. Sometimes ancient Greek.
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Josh Smith wrote:
Sometimes ancient Greek.
Zeus bless you. :) I use some greek symbols once in a while, does that count?
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)