Southern California: advice needed.
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Trollslayer wrote:
mental health problems are more common as a result
Mental health problems are the cause, not the result.
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 -
Trollslayer wrote:
mental health problems are more common as a result
Mental health problems are the cause, not the result.
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001Not like you to talk complete rubbish. The person in question was a completely normal teenager until (as far as I can gather) they fell in with the wrong crowd and, most likely, gave in to peer pressure. There is no history of mental helath problems. I also know directly of some other youngsters (in the UK) caught up in this. Very often they experiment as a way to show off to their peers and quickly become hooked. This doesn't mean they are mentally ill. Having spoken to a couple of psychiatrists and they now clearly believe there is a strong link between taking drugs like cannabis and a growing problem with mental health issues as the drugs become cheaper and more widely available. They did not seem to think that they took drugs because they were already ill.
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It is, from what I can gather a little different and much more addictive than it used to be. Moving away is not really an option for a number of reasons. I could call or email but I'm 6000 miles away. They could tell me anything and I have no way of verifying the information. I appreciate the insight but I was hoping for direct knowledge.
THC has an emotional addiction (like chocolate), as apposed to chemical(like opiates), so it's addictive as it's always been. The addiction arises from the user getting some other perceived benefit that they don't want to give up i.e. pleasure or mood alteration This is why THC isn't classed as a highly addictive substance because it's all down to the user, and the average user can mentally say "I want to stop using this now because the bad points out weigh the good". The problem with giving it up is usually either because the user doesn't really believe the bad points out weigh the good or they have an unusually addictive personality and would get hooked on most things given a chance. Going into rehad could well work if the user belives it will work (it's all in the mind), but if they have easy access to getting more once they are released then unless they belive they are better off without it it wont last.
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Not like you to talk complete rubbish. The person in question was a completely normal teenager until (as far as I can gather) they fell in with the wrong crowd and, most likely, gave in to peer pressure. There is no history of mental helath problems. I also know directly of some other youngsters (in the UK) caught up in this. Very often they experiment as a way to show off to their peers and quickly become hooked. This doesn't mean they are mentally ill. Having spoken to a couple of psychiatrists and they now clearly believe there is a strong link between taking drugs like cannabis and a growing problem with mental health issues as the drugs become cheaper and more widely available. They did not seem to think that they took drugs because they were already ill.
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THC has an emotional addiction (like chocolate), as apposed to chemical(like opiates), so it's addictive as it's always been. The addiction arises from the user getting some other perceived benefit that they don't want to give up i.e. pleasure or mood alteration This is why THC isn't classed as a highly addictive substance because it's all down to the user, and the average user can mentally say "I want to stop using this now because the bad points out weigh the good". The problem with giving it up is usually either because the user doesn't really believe the bad points out weigh the good or they have an unusually addictive personality and would get hooked on most things given a chance. Going into rehad could well work if the user belives it will work (it's all in the mind), but if they have easy access to getting more once they are released then unless they belive they are better off without it it wont last.
originSH wrote:
Going into rehad could well work if the user belives it will work (it's all in the mind), but if they have easy access to getting more once they are released then unless they belive they are better off without it it wont last.
That is my main concern.
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originSH wrote:
Going into rehad could well work if the user belives it will work (it's all in the mind), but if they have easy access to getting more once they are released then unless they belive they are better off without it it wont last.
That is my main concern.
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I do hope someone from the general LA area can help with this. I have a close relative who lives in LA who has become involved with and addicted to drugs (marijuana). That person has the chance and has expressed a desire to attend a rehabilitation unit. I'd like to try and help but know nothing of the system there or what is involved. The unit that has been mooted is: Action Recovery[^]. Whilst I appreciate this is a long shot, does anyone have any knowledge of this place? The web site does not, as far as I can tell, give a proper location which always makes me suspicious nor do they plainly state what the costs would be. Does anyone have any better understanding either of this unit or how the system works? Is there any state or local help? Are there any better ways to help someone in LA? If you have an answer you'd prefer not to tell everyone else please mail me direct. Thank you.
An ex gf of mine is from LA and used to be addicted to dope, among other drugs. She and a number of my friends from the area joined Narcotics Anonymous (http://www.na.org/) who have support groups and meetings all over the World as well as in SoCal. Contacting them may be a good idea as they are pretty friendly and provide a comprehensive peer based support structure. Mark
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I do hope someone from the general LA area can help with this. I have a close relative who lives in LA who has become involved with and addicted to drugs (marijuana). That person has the chance and has expressed a desire to attend a rehabilitation unit. I'd like to try and help but know nothing of the system there or what is involved. The unit that has been mooted is: Action Recovery[^]. Whilst I appreciate this is a long shot, does anyone have any knowledge of this place? The web site does not, as far as I can tell, give a proper location which always makes me suspicious nor do they plainly state what the costs would be. Does anyone have any better understanding either of this unit or how the system works? Is there any state or local help? Are there any better ways to help someone in LA? If you have an answer you'd prefer not to tell everyone else please mail me direct. Thank you.
I would strongly second mpmansell's recommendation of trying NA first. This organization is based on principles similar to Alcoholics Anonymous, and has a good track record (success rate is better than most. It is also essentially free (contribution supported, typically $1 a meeting, but not required).
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An ex gf of mine is from LA and used to be addicted to dope, among other drugs. She and a number of my friends from the area joined Narcotics Anonymous (http://www.na.org/) who have support groups and meetings all over the World as well as in SoCal. Contacting them may be a good idea as they are pretty friendly and provide a comprehensive peer based support structure. Mark
Ah, thank you. I'll take a look.
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Ah, thank you. I'll take a look.
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I would strongly second mpmansell's recommendation of trying NA first. This organization is based on principles similar to Alcoholics Anonymous, and has a good track record (success rate is better than most. It is also essentially free (contribution supported, typically $1 a meeting, but not required).
Again, thank you.
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It is, from what I can gather a little different and much more addictive than it used to be. Moving away is not really an option for a number of reasons. I could call or email but I'm 6000 miles away. They could tell me anything and I have no way of verifying the information. I appreciate the insight but I was hoping for direct knowledge.
Sorry, but cannabis is not chemically addictive in any way. The worst that is going to happen to your relo is that his mind will become progessively unhinged, showing signs of paranoia and if he has the tendency, schizophrenia. And with the strength of todays gear that is more and more likely. He needs talking to, by experienced older people who have done the stuff and whose minds did become slightly unhinged, like me for example, and who, through vast amounts of alcohol and singing in Karaoke bars, has clawed their way back to normality. (OK, kind of normality, but you get my drift). Hope you find a way to het through to him. Really, coke or speed is better in many respects. OK your heart falls apart, and your brain developes legions, but at least you arent mad.
Truth is the subjection of reality to an individuals perception
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I do hope someone from the general LA area can help with this. I have a close relative who lives in LA who has become involved with and addicted to drugs (marijuana). That person has the chance and has expressed a desire to attend a rehabilitation unit. I'd like to try and help but know nothing of the system there or what is involved. The unit that has been mooted is: Action Recovery[^]. Whilst I appreciate this is a long shot, does anyone have any knowledge of this place? The web site does not, as far as I can tell, give a proper location which always makes me suspicious nor do they plainly state what the costs would be. Does anyone have any better understanding either of this unit or how the system works? Is there any state or local help? Are there any better ways to help someone in LA? If you have an answer you'd prefer not to tell everyone else please mail me direct. Thank you.
I know this is going to get me flamed but here goes, I for one do not think Marijuana should be illegal, hell I dont even think it should be classified as a "drug" per se, I mean I dont know of anyone who's ever committed a violent crime while "high", o drive-by shootings (hell they'd forget what they were doing the first fast-food place then seen) and I truly dont believe it's any worse for you than alcohol and thats legal. JMHO (let the flaming begin ;P)
"Okay, I give up: which is NOT a real programming language????" Michael Bergman
"Well yes, it is an Integer, but it's a metrosexual Integer. For all we know, under all that hair gel it could be a Boolean." Tom Welch
"Let's face it, the average computer user has the brain of a Spider Monkey." Bill Gates
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I know this is going to get me flamed but here goes, I for one do not think Marijuana should be illegal, hell I dont even think it should be classified as a "drug" per se, I mean I dont know of anyone who's ever committed a violent crime while "high", o drive-by shootings (hell they'd forget what they were doing the first fast-food place then seen) and I truly dont believe it's any worse for you than alcohol and thats legal. JMHO (let the flaming begin ;P)
"Okay, I give up: which is NOT a real programming language????" Michael Bergman
"Well yes, it is an Integer, but it's a metrosexual Integer. For all we know, under all that hair gel it could be a Boolean." Tom Welch
"Let's face it, the average computer user has the brain of a Spider Monkey." Bill Gates
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Not like you to talk complete rubbish. The person in question was a completely normal teenager until (as far as I can gather) they fell in with the wrong crowd and, most likely, gave in to peer pressure. There is no history of mental helath problems. I also know directly of some other youngsters (in the UK) caught up in this. Very often they experiment as a way to show off to their peers and quickly become hooked. This doesn't mean they are mentally ill. Having spoken to a couple of psychiatrists and they now clearly believe there is a strong link between taking drugs like cannabis and a growing problem with mental health issues as the drugs become cheaper and more widely available. They did not seem to think that they took drugs because they were already ill.
I've hung out with Hells Angels and other nefarious forms of life (if that isn't the "wrong crowd", I don't know what is), but I've never done any kind of recreational drugs despite having several thousand opportunities (I don't even like to take aspirin). I also don't drink or smoke, despite hanging out with hundreds of people over my lifetime that do. If they did it because of peer pressure, they lack self-respect, and I consider that a form of diminished mental capability (this is also the root cause of religious zealotry).
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 -
I've hung out with Hells Angels and other nefarious forms of life (if that isn't the "wrong crowd", I don't know what is), but I've never done any kind of recreational drugs despite having several thousand opportunities (I don't even like to take aspirin). I also don't drink or smoke, despite hanging out with hundreds of people over my lifetime that do. If they did it because of peer pressure, they lack self-respect, and I consider that a form of diminished mental capability (this is also the root cause of religious zealotry).
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 -
Sorry, but cannabis is not chemically addictive in any way. The worst that is going to happen to your relo is that his mind will become progessively unhinged, showing signs of paranoia and if he has the tendency, schizophrenia. And with the strength of todays gear that is more and more likely. He needs talking to, by experienced older people who have done the stuff and whose minds did become slightly unhinged, like me for example, and who, through vast amounts of alcohol and singing in Karaoke bars, has clawed their way back to normality. (OK, kind of normality, but you get my drift). Hope you find a way to het through to him. Really, coke or speed is better in many respects. OK your heart falls apart, and your brain developes legions, but at least you arent mad.
Truth is the subjection of reality to an individuals perception
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Sorry, but cannabis is not chemically addictive in any way. The worst that is going to happen to your relo is that his mind will become progessively unhinged, showing signs of paranoia and if he has the tendency, schizophrenia. And with the strength of todays gear that is more and more likely. He needs talking to, by experienced older people who have done the stuff and whose minds did become slightly unhinged, like me for example, and who, through vast amounts of alcohol and singing in Karaoke bars, has clawed their way back to normality. (OK, kind of normality, but you get my drift). Hope you find a way to het through to him. Really, coke or speed is better in many respects. OK your heart falls apart, and your brain developes legions, but at least you arent mad.
Truth is the subjection of reality to an individuals perception
fat_boy wrote:
Sorry, but cannabis is not chemically addictive in any way.
That is not what I'm being told.
fat_boy wrote:
Hope you find a way to het through to him. Really, coke or speed is better in many respects. OK your heart falls apart, and your brain developes legions, but at least you arent mad.
Er, not quite what I had in mind. :-)
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So why did you spend so much time with people you thought had
John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
diminished mental capability
????:wtf:
Philosophy: The art of never getting beyond the concept of life.
Because it's their issue, not mine.
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 -
I know this is going to get me flamed but here goes, I for one do not think Marijuana should be illegal, hell I dont even think it should be classified as a "drug" per se, I mean I dont know of anyone who's ever committed a violent crime while "high", o drive-by shootings (hell they'd forget what they were doing the first fast-food place then seen) and I truly dont believe it's any worse for you than alcohol and thats legal. JMHO (let the flaming begin ;P)
"Okay, I give up: which is NOT a real programming language????" Michael Bergman
"Well yes, it is an Integer, but it's a metrosexual Integer. For all we know, under all that hair gel it could be a Boolean." Tom Welch
"Let's face it, the average computer user has the brain of a Spider Monkey." Bill Gates
Even with what's going on I still feel that making it illegal is not the answer. If people are detrmined enough to do something they will. It would be far better to legalise it so as to remove the criminal element, make it safer and earn some taxes. I KNOW that will get flamed in light of my original post but there you go.
