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Richard Stallman[^] (sometimes referred to as RMS) is the author of the GPL, written, as far as I can understand, mainly because he was pissed off at some proprietary vendors he was working with at the time. He founded the FSF (I think that's correct) and Lessig[^] is law prof at Stanford that has some connection with FSF as well as tending towards an extremely liberal (if that's the right word) interpretation of copyright. As far as I am concerned they are both goober heads.
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Jim Crafton wrote:
As far as I am concerned they are both goober heads.
Whoa, whoa... There's no need to get all technical on us.
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Jim Crafton wrote:
the author of the GPL, written, as far as I can understand, mainly because he was pissed off at some proprietary vendors he was working with at the time.
Actually, he was mostly pissed of at James Gosling (creator of Java, for those who have never heard of him) - The History of GPL[^]
Nemanja Trifunovic wrote:
he was mostly pissed of at James Gosling (creator of Java
Ironic that Java is now (or is undergoing) GPL'ing.
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Nemanja Trifunovic wrote:
he was mostly pissed of at James Gosling (creator of Java
Ironic that Java is now (or is undergoing) GPL'ing.
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I don't know what the angle is on that, but any site / publication that mentions the Free Software Foundation or Richard Stallman or Lawrence Lessig in even a slightly positive manner is something working programmers should boycott and avoid like the plague.
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Why? The eco-system around .NET and Windows is large and growing, supported by one major company, and lots of smaller companies. Lots of programmers making a living using proprietary software. The eco-system around Java and Linux is large and growing, supported by many major organisations, and lots of smaller organisations. Lots of programmers making a living using free and/or open source software. I currently make my living writing .NET code on Windows, but that doesn't mean I keep my head in the sand and ignore a growing section of the IT market. I certainly don't boycott sites which express an alternative to the MS view of the world. It's not like MS has a good track record in anything other than making money by exploiting their O/S monopoly.
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Richard Stallman[^] (sometimes referred to as RMS) is the author of the GPL, written, as far as I can understand, mainly because he was pissed off at some proprietary vendors he was working with at the time. He founded the FSF (I think that's correct) and Lessig[^] is law prof at Stanford that has some connection with FSF as well as tending towards an extremely liberal (if that's the right word) interpretation of copyright. As far as I am concerned they are both goober heads.
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Have you ever written a C compiler? Have you ever written software that has as many users as emacs, gcc and the rest of the gnu collection? It seems a bit weird to call someone with lots of technical achievements a "goober head", especially when you're probably no match to them as a developer. As for the free software movement, RMS is a bit of an extremist but that's a good thing, because it allows us to be "normal". :)
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Marc Clifton wrote:
who are those two guys and why boycott them?
Never heard of Lessig, but RMS should be boycotted mostly because he is the original creator of emacs, which is an evil piece of software. Everybody should be using vim instead.
Nemanja Trifunovic wrote:
but RMS should be boycotted mostly because he is the original creator of emacs, which is an evil piece of software. Everybody should be using vim instead.
I sense good old flame war between the users of "very incomprehensible mess" and "Eight megabytes and constantly swapping" coming on :) (I swear by Emacs!)
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Have you ever written a C compiler? Have you ever written software that has as many users as emacs, gcc and the rest of the gnu collection? It seems a bit weird to call someone with lots of technical achievements a "goober head", especially when you're probably no match to them as a developer. As for the free software movement, RMS is a bit of an extremist but that's a good thing, because it allows us to be "normal". :)
Well first of all none of your arguments are relevant - one can be a brilliant programmer and still be an idiot as a person. One doesn't necessarily follow the other. But thanks for the typical sophomoric, Slashdot trail of logic.
mbrezu2 wrote:
Have you ever written a C compiler?
No but I've written a C++ parser to build ASTs, and I've worked at extending the G++ front end - I gave up because the code is such a friggin mess. Hip hip hurray!
mbrezu2 wrote:
written software that has as many users as emacs, gcc and the rest of the gnu collection?
Having a large user base doesn't necessarily mean the software is good. Windows 3.1 had a lot of people using it. Was it any good? Much of the gnu collection of software re-implements the same stupid, half assed unix programs that came before them. This is hardly something to be proud of. GCC is used because it's cost is free - *not* because it's that great of a compiler, and in almost any test I've seen it tends to be at the bottom of the list in terms of capabilities such as compiling speed, generated executable size, executable speed, etc. And some of the large speed bumps in performance and features (take pre compiled headers for example) have come at the hand of the same "evil" proprietary companies like IBM or Apple contributing their *paid* employees' work. RMS may be a smart programmer (anyone who can get LISP to do anything without losing their mind certainly has my intellectual respect), but many/most of his positions outside the field of computer programming are ridiculous if not idiotic.
mbrezu2 wrote:
As for the free software movement, RMS is a bit of an extremist but that's a good thing, because it allows us to be "normal".
Horsecrap!! :) I don't need RMS to "allow" me to do or be anything. I'm quite capable of making up my own mind about things, completely independently of RMS's existence.
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Jim Crafton wrote:
the author of the GPL, written, as far as I can understand, mainly because he was pissed off at some proprietary vendors he was working with at the time.
Actually, he was mostly pissed of at James Gosling (creator of Java, for those who have never heard of him) - The History of GPL[^]
Yep, seems like a real jerk. Says he implemented the C version of Emacs after Stallman, and 'freely distributed' it. Then a few years later sells the rights to the software to a copy, who forces Stallman to change his code because he is illegally using the software (by this point he adopted the C implementation of Gosling). That said really, it was the purchasing company that should have been nicer, IMHO all existing agreements with clients should remain enforce after sale. That said, anyone ever read the EULA for .NET/MSDN? It is the most horrendous license agreement I ever seen. Did you know if you use example code in your project, the license agreement states that the code can only run on Windows? You are also expected to defend Microsoft, including paying their legal fees if anyone decides to sue them, because of the example code in your project doesn't work. So, MSDN is a fairly detailed documentation of the .Net language, how hard would it be for MS to accuse you of using their code, even if you didn't? I mean there is only one why to call idiot.ToString() right? If you copy pages of code I can see the arguement, but if you take a 5 line snippet that tells you how to make a ODBC connection and start a reader or something? There is so much to a language that you need to use a reference to figure out how things work, if you're forced to then find a different way to do something you just learnt how to do, that would be considered overboard in my opinion. P.S. Not being portable isn't a big deal with .Net, as it isn't portable anyways. Wow, a platform independant framework, that is only released on Windows, and requires you to have the right version of the .Net framework, wow the freedom astounds me. (I am aware of the MONO project, but it has limitations, and wasn't provided by the original company that tooted the platform independant horn).
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Well first of all none of your arguments are relevant - one can be a brilliant programmer and still be an idiot as a person. One doesn't necessarily follow the other. But thanks for the typical sophomoric, Slashdot trail of logic.
mbrezu2 wrote:
Have you ever written a C compiler?
No but I've written a C++ parser to build ASTs, and I've worked at extending the G++ front end - I gave up because the code is such a friggin mess. Hip hip hurray!
mbrezu2 wrote:
written software that has as many users as emacs, gcc and the rest of the gnu collection?
Having a large user base doesn't necessarily mean the software is good. Windows 3.1 had a lot of people using it. Was it any good? Much of the gnu collection of software re-implements the same stupid, half assed unix programs that came before them. This is hardly something to be proud of. GCC is used because it's cost is free - *not* because it's that great of a compiler, and in almost any test I've seen it tends to be at the bottom of the list in terms of capabilities such as compiling speed, generated executable size, executable speed, etc. And some of the large speed bumps in performance and features (take pre compiled headers for example) have come at the hand of the same "evil" proprietary companies like IBM or Apple contributing their *paid* employees' work. RMS may be a smart programmer (anyone who can get LISP to do anything without losing their mind certainly has my intellectual respect), but many/most of his positions outside the field of computer programming are ridiculous if not idiotic.
mbrezu2 wrote:
As for the free software movement, RMS is a bit of an extremist but that's a good thing, because it allows us to be "normal".
Horsecrap!! :) I don't need RMS to "allow" me to do or be anything. I'm quite capable of making up my own mind about things, completely independently of RMS's existence.
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:)) If my arguments were that irrelevant what's the point in the ad hominem attack (sophomoric logic etc.) ? Didn't realize I was feeding a troll. What's worse, one motivated by frustration. I prefer trolls that are looking for a little relaxed fun. However, it seems I can't help myself. Here's one more little bit of troll food: Have you ever considered that things you refuse to understand may be worth understanding? (i.e. Lisp, the GPL, Creative Commons).
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Nemanja Trifunovic wrote:
but RMS should be boycotted mostly because he is the original creator of emacs, which is an evil piece of software. Everybody should be using vim instead.
I sense good old flame war between the users of "very incomprehensible mess" and "Eight megabytes and constantly swapping" coming on :) (I swear by Emacs!)
Lars Lundstedt wrote:
Nemanja Trifunovic wrote: but RMS should be boycotted mostly because he is the original creator of emacs, which is an evil piece of software. Everybody should be using vim instead. I sense good old flame war between the users of "very incomprehensible mess" and "Eight megabytes and constantly swapping" coming on (I swear by Emacs!)
Now come on don't you know that editors are a Religiosity Issue and that it takes years to retrain the fingers to use the correct key combinations and that interia is the true constant in life?
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At least RMS seems to be the software developer equivalent of fundamentalist zealots.
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No, RMS is a file system.
dang! But it's a hairy one, right?
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