Changes to the message boards [modified]
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I'm getting as tired as everyone else of the crap that is going on so I'm proposing the following changes: - I've increased the threshold for messages to disappear if marked as spam - Only silver and above members can mark messages as spam - Your IP address can only vote a limited number of times a minute and also a limited number of times a day - Once you hit 5,000 messages then your profile will simply say "over 5,000 messages" Two more thoughts: 1. I'm tempted to add a "Kick this person out of the lounge" button. It would only be accessible by Gold and above members. Just how abused would this be? 2. I will be replacing the Silver/Gold etc ranking with a ranking based on your participation as an author and as a poster. If you answer questions in the forums that are well received you increase your status; same with your posted articles. You post rubbish and you go down. The only problem with this is how we reward those members who are simply great to have around. The ones who have interesting stories, incitefulinsightful comments, are great moderators of the mood, and whose participation makes CodeProject what it is. Suggestions? -- modified at 10:20 Wednesday 18th July, 2007
cheers, Chris Maunder
CodeProject.com : C++ MVP
Chris Maunder wrote:
- I've increased the threshold for messages to disappear if marked as spam - Only silver and above members can mark messages as spam - Your IP address can only vote a limited number of times a minute and also a limited number of times a day - Once you hit 5,000 messages then your profile will simply say "over 5,000 messages"
:) all good. the other two 1) this could be a good feature, however not all gold/silver members are like those who post here (*cough*friendly*cough*) so i'd put it as a vote where they need say 10 votes to be kicked. then a kick is reported to admin and they can take a better look to see if it is valid or if further action is required for that user. 2) i agree with you chris the rankings would be better if they were based on votes not the post count. what ratio do you have in mind? (im not sure how it work at the moment to be honest) if i answer 2 questions on c++/mfc forum and get Q1 gets 5 Q2 gets 1 (didnt know what i was talking about which is normal X| ) (to keep it simple) just 1 vote for each. both by a new member bronze. How would the 1 affect my 5 and overall score.., would I be left with a 3 for my profile score.? i ask just to see if it could be abused or not like the present system :sigh: Thanks Sam.
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I'm getting as tired as everyone else of the crap that is going on so I'm proposing the following changes: - I've increased the threshold for messages to disappear if marked as spam - Only silver and above members can mark messages as spam - Your IP address can only vote a limited number of times a minute and also a limited number of times a day - Once you hit 5,000 messages then your profile will simply say "over 5,000 messages" Two more thoughts: 1. I'm tempted to add a "Kick this person out of the lounge" button. It would only be accessible by Gold and above members. Just how abused would this be? 2. I will be replacing the Silver/Gold etc ranking with a ranking based on your participation as an author and as a poster. If you answer questions in the forums that are well received you increase your status; same with your posted articles. You post rubbish and you go down. The only problem with this is how we reward those members who are simply great to have around. The ones who have interesting stories, incitefulinsightful comments, are great moderators of the mood, and whose participation makes CodeProject what it is. Suggestions? -- modified at 10:20 Wednesday 18th July, 2007
cheers, Chris Maunder
CodeProject.com : C++ MVP
Considering the number of fake accounts that people can create, I would suggest a two fold solution. (1) An annually non-refundable renewable membership fee. (2) Probationary period of not less than 3 months before the members are awarded a Bronze medal. During this probationary period, voting privileges are denied. If during this probationary period, the junior member has an unacceptably large number of spam or abuse votes especially where messages removed results, their membership is revoked. However, where messages are removed, I would like to see both a highly visible warning message replacing the text of the removed message and a warning e-mail despatched to the member. The member should have right to appeal against any removed messages, or revoked membership in the same sort of way that an employee has right of appeal where disciplinary action has been taken against him/her. Having any extra clickable buttons may not be the best way forward.
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Chris Maunder wrote:
Only silver and above members can mark messages as spam
Make that gold and above. There are heaps of them anyway....
Chris Maunder wrote:
Your IP address can only vote a limited number of times a minute
I thought this was in place since last month?
Chris Maunder wrote:
I'm tempted to add a "Kick this person out of the lounge" button. It would only be accessible by Gold and above members. Just how abused would this be?
I'm tempted to say 'Great idea!' but sadly it's going to be abused. Maybe you can make it accessible to Platinum members only - there are only a few of them, and they're all generally good apples.
Chris Maunder wrote:
I will be replacing the Silver/Gold etc ranking with a ranking based on your participation as an author and as a poster. If you answer questions in the forums that are well received you increase your status; same with your posted articles.
Again, this is going to be HEAVILY abused. Point #3 mitigates this abuse to a certain extent, but if you want to see an example of this abuse, I suggest you look at the votes I've been garnering in the C# forum. I don't give a damn what happens in the Lounge, but I do my best to help people in small ways in the C# forum, and some arsehole is dutifully voting every post of mine down. That is abuse in my book. :|
Cheers, Vıkram.
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Vikram A Punathambekar wrote:
Chris Maunder wrote: Your IP address can only vote a limited number of times a minute I thought this was in place since last month?
The existing system (been in place for at least a year) is one vote per item per IP. What the change would add is X votes per minute total, eg you could only vote for 5 unique articles/messages per minute.
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Chris Maunder wrote:
Only silver and above members can mark messages as spam
Make that gold and above. There are heaps of them anyway....
Chris Maunder wrote:
Your IP address can only vote a limited number of times a minute
I thought this was in place since last month?
Chris Maunder wrote:
I'm tempted to add a "Kick this person out of the lounge" button. It would only be accessible by Gold and above members. Just how abused would this be?
I'm tempted to say 'Great idea!' but sadly it's going to be abused. Maybe you can make it accessible to Platinum members only - there are only a few of them, and they're all generally good apples.
Chris Maunder wrote:
I will be replacing the Silver/Gold etc ranking with a ranking based on your participation as an author and as a poster. If you answer questions in the forums that are well received you increase your status; same with your posted articles.
Again, this is going to be HEAVILY abused. Point #3 mitigates this abuse to a certain extent, but if you want to see an example of this abuse, I suggest you look at the votes I've been garnering in the C# forum. I don't give a damn what happens in the Lounge, but I do my best to help people in small ways in the C# forum, and some arsehole is dutifully voting every post of mine down. That is abuse in my book. :|
Cheers, Vıkram.
After all is said and done, much is said and little is done.
Also regarding the 1 voters, it probably would be a good idea to see who voted for you. It would probably put an end to the 1 voters doing it all around the forums just for fun. High ranks that grant you permissions should be much harder to get, ensuring you've not got retards with rights. There's a shiver down my spine when I look at Satips profile and see he's a "Personality". X|
Cheers, Mircea "Pay people peanuts and you get monkeys" - David Ogilvy
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I'm getting as tired as everyone else of the crap that is going on so I'm proposing the following changes: - I've increased the threshold for messages to disappear if marked as spam - Only silver and above members can mark messages as spam - Your IP address can only vote a limited number of times a minute and also a limited number of times a day - Once you hit 5,000 messages then your profile will simply say "over 5,000 messages" Two more thoughts: 1. I'm tempted to add a "Kick this person out of the lounge" button. It would only be accessible by Gold and above members. Just how abused would this be? 2. I will be replacing the Silver/Gold etc ranking with a ranking based on your participation as an author and as a poster. If you answer questions in the forums that are well received you increase your status; same with your posted articles. You post rubbish and you go down. The only problem with this is how we reward those members who are simply great to have around. The ones who have interesting stories, incitefulinsightful comments, are great moderators of the mood, and whose participation makes CodeProject what it is. Suggestions? -- modified at 10:20 Wednesday 18th July, 2007
cheers, Chris Maunder
CodeProject.com : C++ MVP
Yup! you could have termed this update that way. Well done Chris, if you had implemented this a while before we could have averted a civil war here. OMG! the pages looked so darned with the noise level.. anyway you are right on time fixing the electrical bug on the barbed wires of the Lounge :-D. :jig: Wishes!
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Unless you get kicked. :)
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Gary Kirkham wrote:
Unless you get kicked.
Maybe, but even though this is the 'lounging' area one should still try to conduct themselves with maturity. We are not in grade school, even though many tend to act like it.
God Bless, Jason
Paul Conrad wrote:
Chuck Norris keeps the hamsters going whenever Chris is gone on vacation. Just stares them down and they keep the servers going
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Gary Kirkham wrote:
Unless you get kicked.
Maybe, but even though this is the 'lounging' area one should still try to conduct themselves with maturity. We are not in grade school, even though many tend to act like it.
God Bless, Jason
Paul Conrad wrote:
Chuck Norris keeps the hamsters going whenever Chris is gone on vacation. Just stares them down and they keep the servers going
jason_lakewhitney wrote:
We are not in grade school
Actually, some of them are.
Gary Kirkham Forever Forgiven and Alive in the Spirit He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose. - Jim Elliot Me blog, You read
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Also regarding the 1 voters, it probably would be a good idea to see who voted for you. It would probably put an end to the 1 voters doing it all around the forums just for fun. High ranks that grant you permissions should be much harder to get, ensuring you've not got retards with rights. There's a shiver down my spine when I look at Satips profile and see he's a "Personality". X|
Cheers, Mircea "Pay people peanuts and you get monkeys" - David Ogilvy
Mircea Grelus wrote:
There's a shiver down my spine when I look at Satips profile and see he's a "Personality".
Reading that ruined my day. :doh:
Cheers, Vıkram.
After all is said and done, much is said and little is done.
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jason_lakewhitney wrote:
We are not in grade school
Actually, some of them are.
Gary Kirkham Forever Forgiven and Alive in the Spirit He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose. - Jim Elliot Me blog, You read
Gary Kirkham wrote:
Actually, some of them are.
You're right. Makes one wonder who is trying to be like who? students -> professionals or students <- professionals
God Bless, Jason
Paul Conrad wrote:
Chuck Norris keeps the hamsters going whenever Chris is gone on vacation. Just stares them down and they keep the servers going
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I'm getting as tired as everyone else of the crap that is going on so I'm proposing the following changes: - I've increased the threshold for messages to disappear if marked as spam - Only silver and above members can mark messages as spam - Your IP address can only vote a limited number of times a minute and also a limited number of times a day - Once you hit 5,000 messages then your profile will simply say "over 5,000 messages" Two more thoughts: 1. I'm tempted to add a "Kick this person out of the lounge" button. It would only be accessible by Gold and above members. Just how abused would this be? 2. I will be replacing the Silver/Gold etc ranking with a ranking based on your participation as an author and as a poster. If you answer questions in the forums that are well received you increase your status; same with your posted articles. You post rubbish and you go down. The only problem with this is how we reward those members who are simply great to have around. The ones who have interesting stories, incitefulinsightful comments, are great moderators of the mood, and whose participation makes CodeProject what it is. Suggestions? -- modified at 10:20 Wednesday 18th July, 2007
cheers, Chris Maunder
CodeProject.com : C++ MVP
After seeing what happened with deleting messages you think people are mature enough to handle a feature to ban people. :laugh:
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Chris Maunder wrote:
Only silver and above members can mark messages as spam
Make that gold and above. There are heaps of them anyway....
Chris Maunder wrote:
Your IP address can only vote a limited number of times a minute
I thought this was in place since last month?
Chris Maunder wrote:
I'm tempted to add a "Kick this person out of the lounge" button. It would only be accessible by Gold and above members. Just how abused would this be?
I'm tempted to say 'Great idea!' but sadly it's going to be abused. Maybe you can make it accessible to Platinum members only - there are only a few of them, and they're all generally good apples.
Chris Maunder wrote:
I will be replacing the Silver/Gold etc ranking with a ranking based on your participation as an author and as a poster. If you answer questions in the forums that are well received you increase your status; same with your posted articles.
Again, this is going to be HEAVILY abused. Point #3 mitigates this abuse to a certain extent, but if you want to see an example of this abuse, I suggest you look at the votes I've been garnering in the C# forum. I don't give a damn what happens in the Lounge, but I do my best to help people in small ways in the C# forum, and some arsehole is dutifully voting every post of mine down. That is abuse in my book. :|
Cheers, Vıkram.
After all is said and done, much is said and little is done.
Vikram A Punathambekar wrote:
make it accessible to Platinum members only - there are only a few of them, and they're all generally good apples
I dunno about that. I've got platinum :)
Rob Manderson My bloghttp://robmanderson.blogspot.com[^]
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Unless you get kicked. :)
Gary Kirkham Forever Forgiven and Alive in the Spirit He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose. - Jim Elliot Me blog, You read
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Also regarding the 1 voters, it probably would be a good idea to see who voted for you. It would probably put an end to the 1 voters doing it all around the forums just for fun. High ranks that grant you permissions should be much harder to get, ensuring you've not got retards with rights. There's a shiver down my spine when I look at Satips profile and see he's a "Personality". X|
Cheers, Mircea "Pay people peanuts and you get monkeys" - David Ogilvy
Mircea Grelus wrote:
There's a shiver down my spine when I look at Satips profile and see he's a "Personality".
It doesn't mean that he's got one though.
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Chris Maunder wrote:
Once you hit 5,000 messages then your profile will simply say "over 5,000 messages"
I don't see anyone abusing the existing classification system. Besides, I was looking forward to acheiving the 'grucky stuff behind the fridge' level soon.
Chris Maunder wrote:
Only silver and above members can mark messages as spam
There's a spitload of them available; let's limit this to Gold and above.
Chris Maunder wrote:
"Kick this person out of the lounge" button. It would only be accessible by Gold and above members. Just how abused would this be?
This should be a power limited to very few as I think it will be heavily abused. Perhaps a better method would involve tracking the percentage of posts tagged as spam/abuse, and raising a flag to moderators when a member scores above a reasonable level. Then limit the banishing power to moderators only.
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Roger Wright wrote:
I was looking forward to acheiving the 'grucky stuff behind the fridge' level soon
Soon??? Soon??? Mate, you 'are' the grucky stuff behind the fridge! :-D
Rob Manderson My bloghttp://robmanderson.blogspot.com[^]
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Considering the number of fake accounts that people can create, I would suggest a two fold solution. (1) An annually non-refundable renewable membership fee. (2) Probationary period of not less than 3 months before the members are awarded a Bronze medal. During this probationary period, voting privileges are denied. If during this probationary period, the junior member has an unacceptably large number of spam or abuse votes especially where messages removed results, their membership is revoked. However, where messages are removed, I would like to see both a highly visible warning message replacing the text of the removed message and a warning e-mail despatched to the member. The member should have right to appeal against any removed messages, or revoked membership in the same sort of way that an employee has right of appeal where disciplinary action has been taken against him/her. Having any extra clickable buttons may not be the best way forward.
I'd be pleased to pay a little fee (say 15/20 Euros) for membership, but I think most users wouldn't...
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Chris Maunder wrote:
- Once you hit 5,000 messages then your profile will simply say "over 5,000 messages"
I don't like this mainly because there are some members here who have invested a ton of quality time here. The message count is always a fun topic when someone brings up CG's messages in the lounge for example. It's just friggin amazing.
Chris Maunder wrote:
1. I'm tempted to add a "Kick this person out of the lounge" button. It would only be accessible by Gold and above members. Just how abused would this be?
I think this is a great idea but it should be reset every day. Banning shouldn't be permanent. What I think would be really great is if you do get banned for the day any messages you posted that day don't count towards your message count at all. Getting banned results in an automatic subtraction of 10 messages from your total message count in your profile.
Chris Maunder wrote:
2. I will be replacing the Silver/Gold etc ranking with a ranking based on your participation as an author and as a poster. If you answer questions in the forums that are well received you increase your status; same with your posted articles. You post rubbish and you go down. The only problem with this is how we reward those members who are simply great to have around. The ones who have interesting stories, incitefulinsightful comments, are great moderators of the mood, and whose participation makes CodeProject what it is. Suggestions?
If the "Kick" button does it's job you shouldn't really need to make any changes here. The current status system seems to be adequate.
code-frog wrote:
I think this is a great idea but it should be reset every day. Banning shouldn't be permanent.
I agree completely. Think of it like penalties in hockey - a brief cool-off period for "unsportsmanlike conduct". Perhaps each ban could be twice the length of the previous one, starting at a simple one hour "timeout". The tenth ban would therefore mean 3 weeks in the penalty box. If you haven't figured it out after being banned 10 times, then the 11th, 12th + 13th should pretty much see you out for good!
code-frog wrote:
What I think would be really great is if you do get banned for the day any messages you posted that day don't count towards your message count at all. Getting banned results in an automatic subtraction of 10 messages from your total message count in your profile.
I'm not sure this is a great idea. There's something a little "1984" about messing with the post count like that...
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Considering the number of fake accounts that people can create, I would suggest a two fold solution. (1) An annually non-refundable renewable membership fee. (2) Probationary period of not less than 3 months before the members are awarded a Bronze medal. During this probationary period, voting privileges are denied. If during this probationary period, the junior member has an unacceptably large number of spam or abuse votes especially where messages removed results, their membership is revoked. However, where messages are removed, I would like to see both a highly visible warning message replacing the text of the removed message and a warning e-mail despatched to the member. The member should have right to appeal against any removed messages, or revoked membership in the same sort of way that an employee has right of appeal where disciplinary action has been taken against him/her. Having any extra clickable buttons may not be the best way forward.
Richard A. Abbott wrote:
The member should have right to appeal against any removed messages
Sounds like a DOS attack on Chris in the making! Man, he could find himself doing little else around the place than playing appeals judge.
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Chris Maunder wrote:
1. I'm tempted to add a "Kick this person out of the lounge" button. It would only be accessible by Gold and above members. Just how abused would this be?
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Bye, bye, John Simmons...
I've learned to understand him. He's a legend in my opinion. :-D
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Chris Maunder wrote:
The only problem with this is how we reward those members who are simply great to have around
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Roger Wright wrote:
I was looking forward to acheiving the 'grucky stuff behind the fridge' level soon
Soon??? Soon??? Mate, you 'are' the grucky stuff behind the fridge! :-D
Rob Manderson My bloghttp://robmanderson.blogspot.com[^]