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  • B benjymous

    If you're good with javascript, I'd recommend you have a play with the mootools framework: http://www.mootools.net/[^] Here's an example combining server side PHP with an ajax front end for dealing with forms: http://demos.mootools.net/Ajax.Form[^]

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    RichardS
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    Thanks for the links

    "Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far the Universe is winning." -- Rich Cook

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    • B Bradml

      You are looking for a server side system then (like PHP, ASP.net) or a hell of a complicated Ajax system,.


      Brad Australian - Christian Graus on "Best books for VBscript" A big thick one, so you can whack yourself on the head with it.

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      RichardS
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      For the sounds of it the server side ASP.NET is the most flexable.

      "Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far the Universe is winning." -- Rich Cook

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      • B Bradml

        You are looking for a server side system then (like PHP, ASP.net) or a hell of a complicated Ajax system,.


        Brad Australian - Christian Graus on "Best books for VBscript" A big thick one, so you can whack yourself on the head with it.

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        I've actually found using mootools that Ajaxy stuff becomes incredibly easy. - Look at the example I posted - you basically just add an event to the form that intercepts the regular submit, and sends the submit via ajax instead, piping the output from the server side php into the div of your choice on the existing page. To chain a set of pages, all you'd need to do is have each form submit the load of the next form, and refresh the main div on the page.

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        • R RichardS

          For the sounds of it the server side ASP.NET is the most flexable.

          "Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far the Universe is winning." -- Rich Cook

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          Bradml
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          Hmm. No. Flexibility is not something you can tag ASP.net with. For a simple system like this either system will do. PHP does have a performance advantage over ASP.net, but you won't notice this on such a low level project.


          Brad Australian - Christian Graus on "Best books for VBscript" A big thick one, so you can whack yourself on the head with it.

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          • C Christian Graus

            I have had pretty much 100% success in moving people from asp to ASP.NET, and from VB.NET to C#.

            Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ "I am working on a project that will convert a FORTRAN code to corresponding C++ code.I am not aware of FORTRAN syntax" ( spotted in the C++/CLI forum )

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            Psycho Coder Extreme
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            Christian Graus wrote:

            I have had pretty much 100% success in moving people from asp to ASP.NET

            Take my current client, they have had this host for so long (they don't even have classic ASP support, just the likes of PHP) he wont change, even though I found him a good host for less than he's paying now (hell his current host doesn't even offer him POP3 mail account with his domain so he has a single @aol.com address for his business email), this new host runs Windows servers, .Net 2.0, SQL 2000/2005 and with it I could create all the "cool stuff" (as he calls it) he wants in his online presence, but I still cannot get him to switch. Hell I even said I would do all the DNS transfers, account setup and managing of the account so he didn't have to do anything. I went through the whole schpeel(sp) that I could setup all his business POP3 accounts, uch as sales@ramengine.com, services@ramengine.com, etc., I even let him know how unprofessional it was to have an @aol.com address for his business, especially considering he has his own domain. I guess a lot of his hesitance comes from the experience he went through when he first got his website , it's truly the ugliest website I've ever seen in my life, have a look here[^] and you'll see what I mean (View it in FireFox and you'll get a real idea of this "professional" website). The person who initially created it told them it was "state of the art" and charged them out the a** for it. I've made some "mock-ups" of the stuff I can offer him with his online presence on my website as a last ditch effort to convince him to change hosts and let me bring his company into the current web era. As of now, with his current host I am pretty much forced to create him a static HTML with some JavaScript and CSS styling. I've done business with this company for sometime now and really want to offer them a professional online presence, but with the experience of his last website fiasco it's not going to be easy. Christian, got any pointers for me?

            "Let's face it, the average computer user has the brain of a Spider Monkey." Bill Gates

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            • B Bradml

              Hmm. No. Flexibility is not something you can tag ASP.net with. For a simple system like this either system will do. PHP does have a performance advantage over ASP.net, but you won't notice this on such a low level project.


              Brad Australian - Christian Graus on "Best books for VBscript" A big thick one, so you can whack yourself on the head with it.

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              RichardS
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              Thanks, did not know that. I have been looking at the mootools site and they seem to have some nice code for this sort of stuff, so I might not need much server side stuff in the mix.

              "Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far the Universe is winning." -- Rich Cook

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              • B benjymous

                I've actually found using mootools that Ajaxy stuff becomes incredibly easy. - Look at the example I posted - you basically just add an event to the form that intercepts the regular submit, and sends the submit via ajax instead, piping the output from the server side php into the div of your choice on the existing page. To chain a set of pages, all you'd need to do is have each form submit the load of the next form, and refresh the main div on the page.

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                RichardS
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                That sounds quite nice (the AJAX demos look quite nifty). I assume that the server could run ASP.NET or PHP?

                "Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far the Universe is winning." -- Rich Cook

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                • B benjymous

                  I've actually found using mootools that Ajaxy stuff becomes incredibly easy. - Look at the example I posted - you basically just add an event to the form that intercepts the regular submit, and sends the submit via ajax instead, piping the output from the server side php into the div of your choice on the existing page. To chain a set of pages, all you'd need to do is have each form submit the load of the next form, and refresh the main div on the page.

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                  Bradml
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                  Yeah quite snazzy.


                  Brad Australian - Christian Graus on "Best books for VBscript" A big thick one, so you can whack yourself on the head with it.

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                  • R RichardS

                    Thanks, did not know that. I have been looking at the mootools site and they seem to have some nice code for this sort of stuff, so I might not need much server side stuff in the mix.

                    "Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far the Universe is winning." -- Rich Cook

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                    Bradml
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                    Perhaps.


                    Brad Australian - Christian Graus on "Best books for VBscript" A big thick one, so you can whack yourself on the head with it.

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                    • R RichardS

                      That sounds quite nice (the AJAX demos look quite nifty). I assume that the server could run ASP.NET or PHP?

                      "Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far the Universe is winning." -- Rich Cook

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                      benjymous
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                      Yeah, the framework doesn't care what you use for your backend (I've successfully used it to modify old perl-based scripts without problems) As long as it can parse arguments from a http POST or GET, and display html back, it'll work. You can even just make it load static pages

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                      • P Psycho Coder Extreme

                        Christian Graus wrote:

                        I have had pretty much 100% success in moving people from asp to ASP.NET

                        Take my current client, they have had this host for so long (they don't even have classic ASP support, just the likes of PHP) he wont change, even though I found him a good host for less than he's paying now (hell his current host doesn't even offer him POP3 mail account with his domain so he has a single @aol.com address for his business email), this new host runs Windows servers, .Net 2.0, SQL 2000/2005 and with it I could create all the "cool stuff" (as he calls it) he wants in his online presence, but I still cannot get him to switch. Hell I even said I would do all the DNS transfers, account setup and managing of the account so he didn't have to do anything. I went through the whole schpeel(sp) that I could setup all his business POP3 accounts, uch as sales@ramengine.com, services@ramengine.com, etc., I even let him know how unprofessional it was to have an @aol.com address for his business, especially considering he has his own domain. I guess a lot of his hesitance comes from the experience he went through when he first got his website , it's truly the ugliest website I've ever seen in my life, have a look here[^] and you'll see what I mean (View it in FireFox and you'll get a real idea of this "professional" website). The person who initially created it told them it was "state of the art" and charged them out the a** for it. I've made some "mock-ups" of the stuff I can offer him with his online presence on my website as a last ditch effort to convince him to change hosts and let me bring his company into the current web era. As of now, with his current host I am pretty much forced to create him a static HTML with some JavaScript and CSS styling. I've done business with this company for sometime now and really want to offer them a professional online presence, but with the experience of his last website fiasco it's not going to be easy. Christian, got any pointers for me?

                        "Let's face it, the average computer user has the brain of a Spider Monkey." Bill Gates

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                        Psycho-*Coder*-Extreme wrote:

                        I guess a lot of his hesitance comes from the experience he went through when he first got his website , it's truly the ugliest website I've ever seen in my life, have a look here[^] and you'll see what I mean (View it in FireFox and you'll get a real idea of this "professional" website)

                        Damn, it's ugly!!

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                        • R RoswellNX

                          The best way to go about this would probably be to use JavaScript and an HTML form, where the script would dynamically show or hide form radio buttons and their corresponding questions, depending on user's selection, using the CSS attribute display, and setting it to none and later to block, which you can tie to a boolean in the script, which saves you from redrawing the screen after each selection. The script would also keep score and after the user has completed each step, display the result. Roswell

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                          City Mayor, Los Angeles, CA

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                          Lost User
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                          I don't know why you keep getting voted 1's. With my less than limited Web development knowledge you could be speaking Greek (except enough I my in-laws speak Greek for me to know better) but it sounds convincing. You impress me with your knowledge and seeing your bio and at only 17 even more so. No people I am not blowing sunshime up her arse or looking for some. I'm more than double her age and coming up to my 16 wedding anniversary. I truly think she really knows her shit.

                          Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash 24/04/2004

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                          • C Christian Graus

                            THe answer is always ASP.NET.

                            Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ "I am working on a project that will convert a FORTRAN code to corresponding C++ code.I am not aware of FORTRAN syntax" ( spotted in the C++/CLI forum )

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                            WillemM
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                            Agreed, it's a great technology.

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                            • C Christian Graus

                              I have had pretty much 100% success in moving people from asp to ASP.NET, and from VB.NET to C#.

                              Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ "I am working on a project that will convert a FORTRAN code to corresponding C++ code.I am not aware of FORTRAN syntax" ( spotted in the C++/CLI forum )

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                              mr_lasseter
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                              Christian Graus wrote:

                              VB.NET to C#

                              How does this make sense from a business prespective?

                              Mike Lasseter

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