I hate MSDN (the web version)

Maximilien

I go in, type in CDC::BitBlt answer : We're sorry, we couldn't find any results containing CDC::BitBlt and there's even a clickable suggestion: Did you mean: cdc bitblt site lab msdn microsoft yeah, maybe I did mean that, let's click on that : answer : We're sorry, we couldn't find any results containing cdc bitblt site lab msdn microsoft stupid search engine, stupid, stupid, stupid. I'm wasting valuable time and money searching MSDN and ranting here. I learned my lesson : I typed CDC::BitBlt in the google search box of Firefox, and the first link is the good one. stupid MSDN.

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Pete OHanlon

Why stop there - I'm none too keen on the none web version of MSDN now as well. It used to be good, but Microsoft systematically removed the bits that made it easy to use and relevant.

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jcdevnet

Funny thing is Google searches the MSDN library better than MSDN Does the first entry for the search points to the msdn library article

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leckey 0

Come to think of it, I usually go through Google as well.

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Not only that, but the new layout is so ungodly slow it's utterly frustrating to do anything with it at all. On the upside, at least there's something (try looking up help with *nix man :) ). This does bring to mind a question: What did the MSDN developers develop this on? Do they have some uber fast 4 Gb internal network that they use? Wouldn't the poor performance have cropped up? And if not, why not?

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Mike Dimmick

Maximilien wrote:

site lab msdn microsoft

I think they're still using a hidden site:lab.msdn.microsoft.com search parameter with their Live Search engine. Trouble is, the MSDN content is no longer on lab.msdn.microsoft.com as it was in 'beta'. It all got moved to msdn2.microsoft.com. If you actually use Live Search directly, without even specifying site:, the documentation on MSDN2 is the top hit.

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El Corazon

leckey wrote:

I usually go through Google as well

If I don't have to search, simply look it up to remind me, I may go direct. But if I have to search MSDN, I always use google.

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Dario Solera

Also, Google is faster than MSDN. Time to use the cached pages? :~

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jond777

I replaced MSDN with Google YEARS ago.

El Corazon

Dario Solera wrote:

Google is faster than MSDN. Time to use the cached pages?

Well, it is a bit more complicated than that. Caching a search for all people is difficult. But, there are ways.... For instance, indexing search criteria in a perfectly balanced tree might be good performance for all searches, but some searches are done more often than others. Wouldn't it be nice if common searches were faster, and less-common searches slower? Depends, of course on need, but still it is possible. A Splay-tree attempts to create an imbalanced key storage that is deliberately weighted for fast response on common searches and slow response on rare searches. Caching simply holds a copy in memory so that disks are not directly accessed, but you can't chache everything, if you could, you wouldn't need storage except as a backup of your caches. ;) Still, a more optimized search geared towards the user's searches would be preferred.

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Dario Solera

Actually, I meant pages cached by Google...

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http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=CDC%3A%3ABitBlt+site%3Amsdn2.microsoft.com&meta=[^] I always go via google and just tell it to point at the msdn site.

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Mike Dimmick wrote:

I think they're still using a hidden site:lab.msdn.microsoft.com search parameter with their Live Search engine.

:doh: Oh, wow. I mean, seriously? :~

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Marc Clifton

The MSDN web version has a search feature? :rolleyes: Marc

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Gary Wheeler

Yeah; it's called 'click-on-their-silly-assed-AJAX-enabled-tree-control-until-you-find-it'.

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Mark Salsbery

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jcdevnet wrote:

Funny thing is Google searches the MSDN library better than MSDN Does

Aint that the truth! The online MSDN is ungodly slow, I go to Google before I ever go to MSDN

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Mark Salsbery

Another Google vote from me. I always use Google to get to MSDN links. I generally append "microsoft" to my search strings to pull the MSDN2 hits to the top. Every once in a while I need to append "msdn" but generally "microsoft" works best. Mark

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jcdevnet wrote:

Funny thing is Google searches the MSDN library better than MSDN Does the first entry for the search points to the msdn library article

and still they want us to believe on Windows Live search.:sigh:

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Roger Wright

Use Google, then click on the link it provides to MSDN. That's the only way you'll ever find anything useful from Microsoft.

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