I hate MSDN (the web version)

Mike Dimmick

Maximilien wrote:

site lab msdn microsoft

I think they're still using a hidden site:lab.msdn.microsoft.com search parameter with their Live Search engine. Trouble is, the MSDN content is no longer on lab.msdn.microsoft.com as it was in 'beta'. It all got moved to msdn2.microsoft.com. If you actually use Live Search directly, without even specifying site:, the documentation on MSDN2 is the top hit.

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El Corazon

leckey wrote:

I usually go through Google as well

If I don't have to search, simply look it up to remind me, I may go direct. But if I have to search MSDN, I always use google.

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jond777

I replaced MSDN with Google YEARS ago.

Dario Solera

Also, Google is faster than MSDN. Time to use the cached pages? :~

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El Corazon

Dario Solera wrote:

Google is faster than MSDN. Time to use the cached pages?

Well, it is a bit more complicated than that. Caching a search for all people is difficult. But, there are ways.... For instance, indexing search criteria in a perfectly balanced tree might be good performance for all searches, but some searches are done more often than others. Wouldn't it be nice if common searches were faster, and less-common searches slower? Depends, of course on need, but still it is possible. A Splay-tree attempts to create an imbalanced key storage that is deliberately weighted for fast response on common searches and slow response on rare searches. Caching simply holds a copy in memory so that disks are not directly accessed, but you can't chache everything, if you could, you wouldn't need storage except as a backup of your caches. ;) Still, a more optimized search geared towards the user's searches would be preferred.

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Dario Solera

Actually, I meant pages cached by Google...

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originSH

http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=CDC%3A%3ABitBlt+site%3Amsdn2.microsoft.com&meta=[^] I always go via google and just tell it to point at the msdn site.

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Mike Dimmick wrote:

I think they're still using a hidden site:lab.msdn.microsoft.com search parameter with their Live Search engine.

:doh: Oh, wow. I mean, seriously? :~

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Marc Clifton

The MSDN web version has a search feature? :rolleyes: Marc

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Gary Wheeler

Yeah; it's called 'click-on-their-silly-assed-AJAX-enabled-tree-control-until-you-find-it'.

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Mark Salsbery

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jcdevnet wrote:

Funny thing is Google searches the MSDN library better than MSDN Does

Aint that the truth! The online MSDN is ungodly slow, I go to Google before I ever go to MSDN

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Mark Salsbery

Another Google vote from me. I always use Google to get to MSDN links. I generally append "microsoft" to my search strings to pull the MSDN2 hits to the top. Every once in a while I need to append "msdn" but generally "microsoft" works best. Mark

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Eytukan

jcdevnet wrote:

Funny thing is Google searches the MSDN library better than MSDN Does the first entry for the search points to the msdn library article

and still they want us to believe on Windows Live search.:sigh:

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Roger Wright

Use Google, then click on the link it provides to MSDN. That's the only way you'll ever find anything useful from Microsoft.

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Kevin McFarlane

Here's a strange thing. MSDN is supposedly now using Windows Live Search. If you enter your search directly in Live Search it returns results similar to Google. But if you enter it in MSDN search it coughs and splutters! :confused:

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Dan Neely

yep, just Google the following: vbCListCtrl site:msdn.microsoft.com

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The whole msdn site has become a joke. It's been broken beyond any sense of usability for years now and clearly Microsoft doesn't give a damn or they would have fixed it a long, long time ago. Odd that any division of Microsoft would encourage use of Google but there is really no workable alternative.

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David Crow

Maximilien wrote:

I typed CDC::BitBlt in the google search box of Firefox, and the first link is the good one.

I searched MSDN for BitBlt(), and it was the sixth one in the result list. Still one click away. :confused:

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