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  • M Maximilien

    I go in, type in CDC::BitBlt answer : We're sorry, we couldn't find any results containing CDC::BitBlt and there's even a clickable suggestion: Did you mean: cdc bitblt site lab msdn microsoft yeah, maybe I did mean that, let's click on that : answer : We're sorry, we couldn't find any results containing cdc bitblt site lab msdn microsoft stupid search engine, stupid, stupid, stupid. I'm wasting valuable time and money searching MSDN and ranting here. I learned my lesson : I typed CDC::BitBlt in the google search box of Firefox, and the first link is the good one. stupid MSDN.


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    http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=CDC%3A%3ABitBlt+site%3Amsdn2.microsoft.com&meta=[^] I always go via google and just tell it to point at the msdn site.

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    • M Mike Dimmick

      Maximilien wrote:

      site lab msdn microsoft

      I think they're still using a hidden site:lab.msdn.microsoft.com search parameter with their Live Search engine. Trouble is, the MSDN content is no longer on lab.msdn.microsoft.com as it was in 'beta'. It all got moved to msdn2.microsoft.com. If you actually use Live Search directly, without even specifying site:, the documentation on MSDN2 is the top hit.

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      Shog9 0
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      Mike Dimmick wrote:

      I think they're still using a hidden site:lab.msdn.microsoft.com search parameter with their Live Search engine.

      :doh: Oh, wow. I mean, seriously? :~

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      • M Maximilien

        I go in, type in CDC::BitBlt answer : We're sorry, we couldn't find any results containing CDC::BitBlt and there's even a clickable suggestion: Did you mean: cdc bitblt site lab msdn microsoft yeah, maybe I did mean that, let's click on that : answer : We're sorry, we couldn't find any results containing cdc bitblt site lab msdn microsoft stupid search engine, stupid, stupid, stupid. I'm wasting valuable time and money searching MSDN and ranting here. I learned my lesson : I typed CDC::BitBlt in the google search box of Firefox, and the first link is the good one. stupid MSDN.


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        Marc Clifton
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        The MSDN web version has a search feature? :rolleyes: Marc

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        • M Marc Clifton

          The MSDN web version has a search feature? :rolleyes: Marc

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          Gary Wheeler
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          Yeah; it's called 'click-on-their-silly-assed-AJAX-enabled-tree-control-until-you-find-it'.


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            Yeah; it's called 'click-on-their-silly-assed-AJAX-enabled-tree-control-until-you-find-it'.


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            Mark Salsbery
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            :omg: ouch

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            • J jcdevnet

              Funny thing is Google searches the MSDN library better than MSDN Does the first entry for the search points to the msdn library article

              Greets! Joel

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              jcdevnet wrote:

              Funny thing is Google searches the MSDN library better than MSDN Does

              Aint that the truth! The online MSDN is ungodly slow, I go to Google before I ever go to MSDN

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              • M Maximilien

                I go in, type in CDC::BitBlt answer : We're sorry, we couldn't find any results containing CDC::BitBlt and there's even a clickable suggestion: Did you mean: cdc bitblt site lab msdn microsoft yeah, maybe I did mean that, let's click on that : answer : We're sorry, we couldn't find any results containing cdc bitblt site lab msdn microsoft stupid search engine, stupid, stupid, stupid. I'm wasting valuable time and money searching MSDN and ranting here. I learned my lesson : I typed CDC::BitBlt in the google search box of Firefox, and the first link is the good one. stupid MSDN.


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                Mark Salsbery
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                Another Google vote from me. I always use Google to get to MSDN links. I generally append "microsoft" to my search strings to pull the MSDN2 hits to the top. Every once in a while I need to append "msdn" but generally "microsoft" works best. Mark

                Mark Salsbery Microsoft MVP - Visual C++ :java:

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                • J jcdevnet

                  Funny thing is Google searches the MSDN library better than MSDN Does the first entry for the search points to the msdn library article

                  Greets! Joel

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                  Eytukan
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                  jcdevnet wrote:

                  Funny thing is Google searches the MSDN library better than MSDN Does the first entry for the search points to the msdn library article

                  and still they want us to believe on Windows Live search.:sigh:


                  He's become a household word in the Lounge. A whole new phraseology has evolved. Post a link or reply with a smiley and rose, and you've made a "Satipsism". So what? It's an interesting thing about the Internet, the evolution (as in change, not progress) of tone, quality, terminology, etc. -Marc Clifton. Best wishes to Rexx[^

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                  • M Maximilien

                    I go in, type in CDC::BitBlt answer : We're sorry, we couldn't find any results containing CDC::BitBlt and there's even a clickable suggestion: Did you mean: cdc bitblt site lab msdn microsoft yeah, maybe I did mean that, let's click on that : answer : We're sorry, we couldn't find any results containing cdc bitblt site lab msdn microsoft stupid search engine, stupid, stupid, stupid. I'm wasting valuable time and money searching MSDN and ranting here. I learned my lesson : I typed CDC::BitBlt in the google search box of Firefox, and the first link is the good one. stupid MSDN.


                    Maximilien Lincourt Your Head A Splode - Strong Bad

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                    Roger Wright
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                    Use Google, then click on the link it provides to MSDN. That's the only way you'll ever find anything useful from Microsoft.

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                    • M Maximilien

                      I go in, type in CDC::BitBlt answer : We're sorry, we couldn't find any results containing CDC::BitBlt and there's even a clickable suggestion: Did you mean: cdc bitblt site lab msdn microsoft yeah, maybe I did mean that, let's click on that : answer : We're sorry, we couldn't find any results containing cdc bitblt site lab msdn microsoft stupid search engine, stupid, stupid, stupid. I'm wasting valuable time and money searching MSDN and ranting here. I learned my lesson : I typed CDC::BitBlt in the google search box of Firefox, and the first link is the good one. stupid MSDN.


                      Maximilien Lincourt Your Head A Splode - Strong Bad

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                      Kevin McFarlane
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                      Here's a strange thing. MSDN is supposedly now using Windows Live Search. If you enter your search directly in Live Search it returns results similar to Google. But if you enter it in MSDN search it coughs and splutters! :confused:

                      Kevin

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                      • M Marc Clifton

                        The MSDN web version has a search feature? :rolleyes: Marc

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                        Dan Neely
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                        yep, just Google the following: vbCListCtrl site:msdn.microsoft.com

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                        • M Maximilien

                          I go in, type in CDC::BitBlt answer : We're sorry, we couldn't find any results containing CDC::BitBlt and there's even a clickable suggestion: Did you mean: cdc bitblt site lab msdn microsoft yeah, maybe I did mean that, let's click on that : answer : We're sorry, we couldn't find any results containing cdc bitblt site lab msdn microsoft stupid search engine, stupid, stupid, stupid. I'm wasting valuable time and money searching MSDN and ranting here. I learned my lesson : I typed CDC::BitBlt in the google search box of Firefox, and the first link is the good one. stupid MSDN.


                          Maximilien Lincourt Your Head A Splode - Strong Bad

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                          The whole msdn site has become a joke. It's been broken beyond any sense of usability for years now and clearly Microsoft doesn't give a damn or they would have fixed it a long, long time ago. Odd that any division of Microsoft would encourage use of Google but there is really no workable alternative.


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                          • M Maximilien

                            I go in, type in CDC::BitBlt answer : We're sorry, we couldn't find any results containing CDC::BitBlt and there's even a clickable suggestion: Did you mean: cdc bitblt site lab msdn microsoft yeah, maybe I did mean that, let's click on that : answer : We're sorry, we couldn't find any results containing cdc bitblt site lab msdn microsoft stupid search engine, stupid, stupid, stupid. I'm wasting valuable time and money searching MSDN and ranting here. I learned my lesson : I typed CDC::BitBlt in the google search box of Firefox, and the first link is the good one. stupid MSDN.


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                            David Crow
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                            Maximilien wrote:

                            I typed CDC::BitBlt in the google search box of Firefox, and the first link is the good one.

                            I searched MSDN for BitBlt(), and it was the sixth one in the result list. Still one click away. :confused:


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                            • M Maximilien

                              I go in, type in CDC::BitBlt answer : We're sorry, we couldn't find any results containing CDC::BitBlt and there's even a clickable suggestion: Did you mean: cdc bitblt site lab msdn microsoft yeah, maybe I did mean that, let's click on that : answer : We're sorry, we couldn't find any results containing cdc bitblt site lab msdn microsoft stupid search engine, stupid, stupid, stupid. I'm wasting valuable time and money searching MSDN and ranting here. I learned my lesson : I typed CDC::BitBlt in the google search box of Firefox, and the first link is the good one. stupid MSDN.


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                                Maximilien wrote:

                                I typed CDC::BitBlt in the google search box of Firefox, and the first link is the good one.

                                I searched MSDN for BitBlt(), and it was the sixth one in the result list. Still one click away. :confused:


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                                Shog9 0
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                                Searching for CDC BitBlt and "CDC::BitBlt" also work. :) What's funny though, is that the autosuggest dropdown suggests cdc::bitblt - the query that doesn't work - when you start typing cdc... :rolleyes:

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                                  Actually, I meant pages cached by Google...

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                                  Cached MSDN pages from google lose all formatting and are much harder to read.

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                                  • K Kevin McFarlane

                                    Here's a strange thing. MSDN is supposedly now using Windows Live Search. If you enter your search directly in Live Search it returns results similar to Google. But if you enter it in MSDN search it coughs and splutters! :confused:

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                                    Mike Dimmick
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                                    As I posted further up the thread, I think it's a hidden site:lab.msdn.microsoft.com search parameter. The content has now moved to msdn2.microsoft.com and the lab.msdn.microsoft.com references have aged out of the search index.

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                                    • J Jim Crafton

                                      Not only that, but the new layout is so ungodly slow it's utterly frustrating to do anything with it at all. On the upside, at least there's something (try looking up help with *nix man :) ). This does bring to mind a question: What did the MSDN developers develop this on? Do they have some uber fast 4 Gb internal network that they use? Wouldn't the poor performance have cropped up? And if not, why not?

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                                      Stuart Dootson
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                                      Jim Crafton wrote:

                                      try looking up help with *nix man

                                      It's not so bad with Bwana[^] on OS X - adds a 'man:' protocol handler, so you can enter (say) 'man:ls' into your browser of choice. Add on Safari 3's nice search and man becomes almost painless

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                                        Searching for CDC BitBlt and "CDC::BitBlt" also work. :) What's funny though, is that the autosuggest dropdown suggests cdc::bitblt - the query that doesn't work - when you start typing cdc... :rolleyes:

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                                        Michael Dunn
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                                        When I'm in VC (2005 X|) and put the cursor on BitBlt and hit F1, MSDN pops up and searches for WTL::CDCT::BitBlt WHICH IS NOT THERE. ARGH. JUST SEARCH FOR BITBLT LIKE ANY SANE HELP SYSTEM. sorry.

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                                          When I'm in VC (2005 X|) and put the cursor on BitBlt and hit F1, MSDN pops up and searches for WTL::CDCT::BitBlt WHICH IS NOT THERE. ARGH. JUST SEARCH FOR BITBLT LIKE ANY SANE HELP SYSTEM. sorry.

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                                          Ha! yeah, i hate that too.

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