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  • M Marc Clifton

    The MSDN web version has a search feature? :rolleyes: Marc

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    Dan Neely
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    yep, just Google the following: vbCListCtrl site:msdn.microsoft.com

    -- You have to explain to them [VB coders] what you mean by "typed". their first response is likely to be something like, "Of course my code is typed. Do you think i magically project it onto the screen with the power of my mind?" --- John Simmons / outlaw programmer

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    • M Maximilien

      I go in, type in CDC::BitBlt answer : We're sorry, we couldn't find any results containing CDC::BitBlt and there's even a clickable suggestion: Did you mean: cdc bitblt site lab msdn microsoft yeah, maybe I did mean that, let's click on that : answer : We're sorry, we couldn't find any results containing cdc bitblt site lab msdn microsoft stupid search engine, stupid, stupid, stupid. I'm wasting valuable time and money searching MSDN and ranting here. I learned my lesson : I typed CDC::BitBlt in the google search box of Firefox, and the first link is the good one. stupid MSDN.


      Maximilien Lincourt Your Head A Splode - Strong Bad

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      The whole msdn site has become a joke. It's been broken beyond any sense of usability for years now and clearly Microsoft doesn't give a damn or they would have fixed it a long, long time ago. Odd that any division of Microsoft would encourage use of Google but there is really no workable alternative.


      "I don't want more choice. I just want better things!" - Edina Monsoon

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      • M Maximilien

        I go in, type in CDC::BitBlt answer : We're sorry, we couldn't find any results containing CDC::BitBlt and there's even a clickable suggestion: Did you mean: cdc bitblt site lab msdn microsoft yeah, maybe I did mean that, let's click on that : answer : We're sorry, we couldn't find any results containing cdc bitblt site lab msdn microsoft stupid search engine, stupid, stupid, stupid. I'm wasting valuable time and money searching MSDN and ranting here. I learned my lesson : I typed CDC::BitBlt in the google search box of Firefox, and the first link is the good one. stupid MSDN.


        Maximilien Lincourt Your Head A Splode - Strong Bad

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        David Crow
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        Maximilien wrote:

        I typed CDC::BitBlt in the google search box of Firefox, and the first link is the good one.

        I searched MSDN for BitBlt(), and it was the sixth one in the result list. Still one click away. :confused:


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        • M Maximilien

          I go in, type in CDC::BitBlt answer : We're sorry, we couldn't find any results containing CDC::BitBlt and there's even a clickable suggestion: Did you mean: cdc bitblt site lab msdn microsoft yeah, maybe I did mean that, let's click on that : answer : We're sorry, we couldn't find any results containing cdc bitblt site lab msdn microsoft stupid search engine, stupid, stupid, stupid. I'm wasting valuable time and money searching MSDN and ranting here. I learned my lesson : I typed CDC::BitBlt in the google search box of Firefox, and the first link is the good one. stupid MSDN.


          Maximilien Lincourt Your Head A Splode - Strong Bad

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          RedZenBird
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          Ballmer = Cheney The more power they get, the more it gets screwed up up... Oh I guess I'm on the no fly list now :)

          Just trying to keep the forces of entropy at bay

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          • D David Crow

            Maximilien wrote:

            I typed CDC::BitBlt in the google search box of Firefox, and the first link is the good one.

            I searched MSDN for BitBlt(), and it was the sixth one in the result list. Still one click away. :confused:


            "A good athlete is the result of a good and worthy opponent." - David Crow

            "To have a respect for ourselves guides our morals; to have deference for others governs our manners." - Laurence Sterne

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            Shog9 0
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            Searching for CDC BitBlt and "CDC::BitBlt" also work. :) What's funny though, is that the autosuggest dropdown suggests cdc::bitblt - the query that doesn't work - when you start typing cdc... :rolleyes:

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            • D Dario Solera

              Actually, I meant pages cached by Google...

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              daniilzol
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              Cached MSDN pages from google lose all formatting and are much harder to read.

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              • K Kevin McFarlane

                Here's a strange thing. MSDN is supposedly now using Windows Live Search. If you enter your search directly in Live Search it returns results similar to Google. But if you enter it in MSDN search it coughs and splutters! :confused:

                Kevin

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                Mike Dimmick
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                As I posted further up the thread, I think it's a hidden site:lab.msdn.microsoft.com search parameter. The content has now moved to msdn2.microsoft.com and the lab.msdn.microsoft.com references have aged out of the search index.

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                • J Jim Crafton

                  Not only that, but the new layout is so ungodly slow it's utterly frustrating to do anything with it at all. On the upside, at least there's something (try looking up help with *nix man :) ). This does bring to mind a question: What did the MSDN developers develop this on? Do they have some uber fast 4 Gb internal network that they use? Wouldn't the poor performance have cropped up? And if not, why not?

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                  Stuart Dootson
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                  Jim Crafton wrote:

                  try looking up help with *nix man

                  It's not so bad with Bwana[^] on OS X - adds a 'man:' protocol handler, so you can enter (say) 'man:ls' into your browser of choice. Add on Safari 3's nice search and man becomes almost painless

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                  • S Shog9 0

                    Searching for CDC BitBlt and "CDC::BitBlt" also work. :) What's funny though, is that the autosuggest dropdown suggests cdc::bitblt - the query that doesn't work - when you start typing cdc... :rolleyes:

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                    Michael Dunn
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                    When I'm in VC (2005 X|) and put the cursor on BitBlt and hit F1, MSDN pops up and searches for WTL::CDCT::BitBlt WHICH IS NOT THERE. ARGH. JUST SEARCH FOR BITBLT LIKE ANY SANE HELP SYSTEM. sorry.

                    --Mike-- Visual C++ MVP :cool: LINKS~! Ericahist | PimpFish | CP SearchBar v3.0 | C++ Forum FAQ

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                    • M Michael Dunn

                      When I'm in VC (2005 X|) and put the cursor on BitBlt and hit F1, MSDN pops up and searches for WTL::CDCT::BitBlt WHICH IS NOT THERE. ARGH. JUST SEARCH FOR BITBLT LIKE ANY SANE HELP SYSTEM. sorry.

                      --Mike-- Visual C++ MVP :cool: LINKS~! Ericahist | PimpFish | CP SearchBar v3.0 | C++ Forum FAQ

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                      Shog9 0
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                      Ha! yeah, i hate that too.

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                      Yes, but can you blame them for doing so if that's the only legal way they can hire programmers they want at the rate they can afford?

                      -- Nish on sketchy hiring practices

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                      • J Jim Crafton

                        Not only that, but the new layout is so ungodly slow it's utterly frustrating to do anything with it at all. On the upside, at least there's something (try looking up help with *nix man :) ). This does bring to mind a question: What did the MSDN developers develop this on? Do they have some uber fast 4 Gb internal network that they use? Wouldn't the poor performance have cropped up? And if not, why not?

                        ¡El diablo está en mis pantalones! ¡Mire, mire! Real Mentats use only 100% pure, unfooled around with Sapho Juice(tm)! SELECT * FROM User WHERE Clue > 0 0 rows returned Save an Orange - Use the VCF! VCF Blog

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                        Bradml
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                        Jim Crafton wrote:

                        try looking up help with *nix man

                        Yes, yes I did. Loaded in less then a secound and told me what I wanted to know.


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                        • M Michael Dunn

                          When I'm in VC (2005 X|) and put the cursor on BitBlt and hit F1, MSDN pops up and searches for WTL::CDCT::BitBlt WHICH IS NOT THERE. ARGH. JUST SEARCH FOR BITBLT LIKE ANY SANE HELP SYSTEM. sorry.

                          --Mike-- Visual C++ MVP :cool: LINKS~! Ericahist | PimpFish | CP SearchBar v3.0 | C++ Forum FAQ

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                          Kevin McFarlane
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                          Use that Google macro for F1 instead. Google search VS.NET macro[^]

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                          • B Bradml

                            Jim Crafton wrote:

                            try looking up help with *nix man

                            Yes, yes I did. Loaded in less then a secound and told me what I wanted to know.


                            Brad Australian - Christian Graus on "Best books for VBscript" A big thick one, so you can whack yourself on the head with it.

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                            Jim Crafton
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                            I stand corrected! :)

                            ¡El diablo está en mis pantalones! ¡Mire, mire! Real Mentats use only 100% pure, unfooled around with Sapho Juice(tm)! SELECT * FROM User WHERE Clue > 0 0 rows returned Save an Orange - Use the VCF! VCF Blog

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