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Yes but do you *still* carry it to work now?
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Hi everyone, I have a question, if you see forums on the codeproject they are active forums like Visual C++ / MFC,C#,... and at all forums Visual C++ / MFC is a busy forum (of course except the Lounge)but my question is does Visual c++ is a live language or not,maybe you want to know why I ask this question I want to know does start to learn C++ is correct (because c++ isnt new istead C# or other languages) or I must to start with C# or other language? If you want to decide whats your choice? Thanks
Here we go ago, go figure, trends...
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Jim Crafton wrote:
my-pretty-pony-lunch-box
I had Wonder Woman thank you very much!
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leckey wrote:
I had Wonder Woman thank you very much!
Yeah, but you're a girl. Real men carry My Little Pony lunchboxes.
Mark Salsbery Microsoft MVP - Visual C++ :java:
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Hi everyone, I have a question, if you see forums on the codeproject they are active forums like Visual C++ / MFC,C#,... and at all forums Visual C++ / MFC is a busy forum (of course except the Lounge)but my question is does Visual c++ is a live language or not,maybe you want to know why I ask this question I want to know does start to learn C++ is correct (because c++ isnt new istead C# or other languages) or I must to start with C# or other language? If you want to decide whats your choice? Thanks
Well, it depends what you want to do. C# is easier to learn, and just as good for a lot of things, but C++ is more powerful, people can't read your code, etc. The main thing I'd say is, learn more than one language. Who says you can't learn both ?
Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ "I am working on a project that will convert a FORTRAN code to corresponding C++ code.I am not aware of FORTRAN syntax" ( spotted in the C++/CLI forum )
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Thank you for your response I want to know if I choose C++ for learn is it a correct choise or not.
I've started from BASIC for DOS many years ago. After that I've spend a lot of time with C and C++ developing Linux applications. This is hard job, but interesting. And after this work experience I had moved to .NET and C#. It was easy very much. I think you should start from C++ and also learn OOP/OOD. After this you will not have any problems with another languages.
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Hi everyone, I have a question, if you see forums on the codeproject they are active forums like Visual C++ / MFC,C#,... and at all forums Visual C++ / MFC is a busy forum (of course except the Lounge)but my question is does Visual c++ is a live language or not,maybe you want to know why I ask this question I want to know does start to learn C++ is correct (because c++ isnt new istead C# or other languages) or I must to start with C# or other language? If you want to decide whats your choice? Thanks
Forget learning MFC - there is nothing to learn from it except bad style. I would start by learning C from Kernighan & Ritchie. The language is simple with 32 keywords and is quick to learn. As well as several other languages being similar to it, the main advantage will be your gain in understanding of the stack and heap. It has been shown that good programmers have a consistent model of what a computer is doing to their program, whereas dodgy ones don't. Working with this book will help give you that model. The book is marvelously written and should instill you with an enthusiam for programming which you might not get from other texts. The managed languages hid most of this stack and heap usage from you but is very useful to know what is happening a little under the hood, so you can understand why performance problems occur, what the garbage collector is doing, etc. Type in and run the examples from the book and then do the exercises - it won't take long. Then learn something like Java or C# rather than C++. This will help with your design, imersing your in a more OO way of doing things than you would get from starting with C++, which is very powerful but, because it supports nearly all design and programming styles it is easy for you to go off in the wrong way, such as structural programming. Then you can learn C++ if you want more power, such as with generic programming, or even using the scoping style that C++ destuctors allow you. Avoid any book by Herb Schildt. Avoid the Java in a Nutshell books on O'Reilly. I haven't looked at the Petzold C# books but I would be wary based on his programming style from his Windows books. If you are going to learn C++ then Accelerated C++ by Andrew Keonig approaches the matter in a more modern style. You could then profitably read The C++ Object model by Stanley Lippman, assumming that you have read the Kernighan and Ritchie book. www.accu.org has a good book review list as well. regards, Andrew
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leckey wrote:
I had Wonder Woman thank you very much!
Yeah, but you're a girl. Real men carry My Little Pony lunchboxes.
Mark Salsbery Microsoft MVP - Visual C++ :java:
OK, so now that we are sufficiently on subject... If you study C#, what kind of lunch box? if (UseC++ == true) { Messagebox.Show("You have the Spiderman lunchbox"); } else { Messagebox.Show("You hunt and kill and eat raw meat.") } No time for lunch. The spice must flow!
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Hi everyone, I have a question, if you see forums on the codeproject they are active forums like Visual C++ / MFC,C#,... and at all forums Visual C++ / MFC is a busy forum (of course except the Lounge)but my question is does Visual c++ is a live language or not,maybe you want to know why I ask this question I want to know does start to learn C++ is correct (because c++ isnt new istead C# or other languages) or I must to start with C# or other language? If you want to decide whats your choice? Thanks
You should start with Object Oriented programming basics (I think they have already advised you about that, with an obscure acronym). That's very important in understanding the logic of a lot of languages and architectures out there. I suggest you pick C# for the task. It has enough features to make you understand all Object Oriented programming and won't confuse you with obscure notations, nor it cause you lose time with copy constructors and garbage collection. Pay attention in the difference of value types and reference types, and what the ref does in a parameter declaration. When you feel comfortable, read also about garbage collection. It's not something you use often, but it's essential in understanding what happens underneath. But don't let people persuade you that you should learn C++ first to understand what happens underneath immediately. C# can do all that, and will guide you in a proper way from the basics to the advanced stuff, without finding yourself losing time with obscure memory leaks etc. Then see the new advanced features of C#. LINQ, and some python like features it has. They are a good introduction to other types of logic. I hope this helps. ;)
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Hi everyone, I have a question, if you see forums on the codeproject they are active forums like Visual C++ / MFC,C#,... and at all forums Visual C++ / MFC is a busy forum (of course except the Lounge)but my question is does Visual c++ is a live language or not,maybe you want to know why I ask this question I want to know does start to learn C++ is correct (because c++ isnt new istead C# or other languages) or I must to start with C# or other language? If you want to decide whats your choice? Thanks
Hmmm, to be in a position where you want to start learning a language? That seems a very long time ago for me and was a mixture of brand new command line operating systems, front panel programming, BASIC interpreters, peeking and poking machine code into blocks of memory and then PASCAL. If I had my choice again, and from where I'am now I would learn C#, I've played around with it, don't use it and feel hemmed in by its formalised constructs, however you can do so much with it and it keeps you on the straight and narrow. Its where the big M is investing lots of its development money so climb on board that band wagon, I don't think you'll get frustrated by its limitations as we all did with languages in the early days. The true breadth of a language like C++ or C# is limited only by your imagination and your determination to understand someone else's code libraries. I have to admit to agreeing to some of the other comments, if you truly are starting from scratch its not a language you need to learn but a formal design methodology, use the language to exercise the method. for me its C and C++ all the way, there are only languages in the image of these two incredibly flexible build tools. @
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OK, so now that we are sufficiently on subject... If you study C#, what kind of lunch box? if (UseC++ == true) { Messagebox.Show("You have the Spiderman lunchbox"); } else { Messagebox.Show("You hunt and kill and eat raw meat.") } No time for lunch. The spice must flow!
Was the "== true" necessary?
if (UseC++) { Messagebox.Show("You have the Spiderman lunchbox"); } else { Messagebox.Show("You hunt and kill and eat raw meat.") }Plus you have an illegal variable name :)There are 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who dont.
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Hi everyone, I have a question, if you see forums on the codeproject they are active forums like Visual C++ / MFC,C#,... and at all forums Visual C++ / MFC is a busy forum (of course except the Lounge)but my question is does Visual c++ is a live language or not,maybe you want to know why I ask this question I want to know does start to learn C++ is correct (because c++ isnt new istead C# or other languages) or I must to start with C# or other language? If you want to decide whats your choice? Thanks
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Hi everyone, I have a question, if you see forums on the codeproject they are active forums like Visual C++ / MFC,C#,... and at all forums Visual C++ / MFC is a busy forum (of course except the Lounge)but my question is does Visual c++ is a live language or not,maybe you want to know why I ask this question I want to know does start to learn C++ is correct (because c++ isnt new istead C# or other languages) or I must to start with C# or other language? If you want to decide whats your choice? Thanks
Hi, The guys up there want you to study C++ to torture you because they have been tortured! I am one guy that have been tortured as well. You don't need C++ to understand C#, actually, you better use C# directly and don't inherit deprecated and old practices from C++! You don't need to learn C to learn C++ to learn Java to learn C#, just start with C#. Computer Science is evolving quickly, by the time you master C#, then D# will arrive and by then C++ will be used as COBOL is being used today! My opinion is that rather than you spend time to study C++ then to study C#, invest the time in studying more C# and OOP. Kind regards, Adam Tibi
Make it simple, as simple as possible, but not simpler.
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Hi everyone, I have a question, if you see forums on the codeproject they are active forums like Visual C++ / MFC,C#,... and at all forums Visual C++ / MFC is a busy forum (of course except the Lounge)but my question is does Visual c++ is a live language or not,maybe you want to know why I ask this question I want to know does start to learn C++ is correct (because c++ isnt new istead C# or other languages) or I must to start with C# or other language? If you want to decide whats your choice? Thanks
I think this is more of a philosophical question. There isn't the one true answer on that. It depends on many factors - where you come from, where you want to go, your working situation (all from an IT perspective). If you're young and think that serious programming will be a significant part of your future (business) life and you like to solve sophisticated coding problems, then starting with C++ might be an option. C(++) is still the one and only no-limits programming language (besides assembly of course :)) and when you are able to master C(++), learning other higher-level languages will look very easy to you. From my experience it is useful to have knowledge in programming on C-level even if you actually code in higher-level languages, because it helps to understand what happens under the hood and why some things behave the way they do – and when speed and small footprint really count, there is no alternative anyway. If your goal is just to get into business and to be productive soon, then C++ may not be the right choice, since it has a slow learning curve and many potential traps which will cost you days (and sometimes even nights or weekends) to fight through. C(++) is still alive and may survive some of the trendy higher level languages, but it is bare bones coding and definitely not always the right tool of choice. Gerd -- modified at 7:23 Friday 3rd August, 2007
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Hi everyone, I have a question, if you see forums on the codeproject they are active forums like Visual C++ / MFC,C#,... and at all forums Visual C++ / MFC is a busy forum (of course except the Lounge)but my question is does Visual c++ is a live language or not,maybe you want to know why I ask this question I want to know does start to learn C++ is correct (because c++ isnt new istead C# or other languages) or I must to start with C# or other language? If you want to decide whats your choice? Thanks
My 2 cents for your question: If your boss said, C#, then you should go for it. If your boss said, 'C$' (ie, a new computer language that has not been invented yet), we should go for it too. My conclusion is it depends on the market needs and your employer.
Lau Hon Wan
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Thank you for your response I want to know if I choose C++ for learn is it a correct choise or not.
Well Java would be my prefered language, it's more open and portable. Choose wise.
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Hi everyone, I have a question, if you see forums on the codeproject they are active forums like Visual C++ / MFC,C#,... and at all forums Visual C++ / MFC is a busy forum (of course except the Lounge)but my question is does Visual c++ is a live language or not,maybe you want to know why I ask this question I want to know does start to learn C++ is correct (because c++ isnt new istead C# or other languages) or I must to start with C# or other language? If you want to decide whats your choice? Thanks
I started with C64 Basic (which is REALLY bad, so I wouldn't recommend it to any time travellers who get stuck with a C64), then GFA Basic (a structured Basic on the Atari ST - absolutely brilliant language), then assembly, C, Java and C++ later and now I'm learning Eiffel. I always felt C++ was a powerful and well-standardised language which is mostly quite portable, but I really wouldn't recommend starting off with it. About C#, I don't know much about it, but I think it's garbage collected (is this what they mean by 'managed'?) which is IMO a good thing in general - it's one reason I've taken a liking to Eiffel. So I'd recommend a powerful but syntactically simple language to start with before you get deep into heavy OO languages or anything where you have to constantly mess about with pointers and memory management. Since GFA Basic gave me my first real taste for coding, I'd suggest AutoIt v3 (http://www.autoitscript.com/autoit3/), a free structured basic-like programming language mostly aimed towards Windows automation, but useful in general.
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Thank you for your response I want to know if I choose C++ for learn is it a correct choise or not.
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Was the "== true" necessary?
if (UseC++) { Messagebox.Show("You have the Spiderman lunchbox"); } else { Messagebox.Show("You hunt and kill and eat raw meat.") }Plus you have an illegal variable name :)There are 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who dont.
I've come from GWBASIC in 1985 to Xbase languages then VB now C#. Pointers (a kind of dog, right?) and the 'stack' - as in she is really 'stacked' are neo to me-oh. I still am a bit verbose with my 'ifs' for clarity such as: if(SeePlusPlus == true) { strProgrammerLevel = "GirlyMan"; //lunchbox notwithstanding } Where this: if(SeePlusPlus) strProgrammerLevel = "GirlyMan"; //lunchbox notwithstanding would suffice. The next stop on the 'dilletante express'? Looks like IronRuby. If you understand that the spice must flow, you may notice that the sleeper is still a bit groggy....
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You should have gone alphabetic: news & newt are passable; newz is a good hakka name; newc, newx, newq, and newk will do nicely for US republicans; newd is suitable for another "Mark Wallace", whose movie career I'd rather not follow; newl would show your carpentry skills; and newb fits about 99% of behaviour on the net.
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Hi everyone, I have a question, if you see forums on the codeproject they are active forums like Visual C++ / MFC,C#,... and at all forums Visual C++ / MFC is a busy forum (of course except the Lounge)but my question is does Visual c++ is a live language or not,maybe you want to know why I ask this question I want to know does start to learn C++ is correct (because c++ isnt new istead C# or other languages) or I must to start with C# or other language? If you want to decide whats your choice? Thanks
It really depends on what you want to do with it. I started with FORTRAN and then BASIC (because I got into this back in the late '70's even before PC's existed). There are many more choices now than there were then. Most of the guys here are probably writing C# or Java (it's somewhat debateable that they are really any different, IMHO). I chose the VB path instead of C# because I wrote assembly and C for many years and when I got into Windows development I chose VB as my point-of-entry. (I got tired of re-inventing the wheel all the time). If I were starting out brand new right now? Probably C# or VB.Net. There rages a debate which of the two languages is "better" - but they both produce the same CIL so we'll leave that to another discussion. The majority would probably say C# - but don't go with the "majority" - look at both of them; or even something else. When you do choose one, though, try to stick with it as much as possible. Being "multilingual" may sound cool - but being an expert with one or two of them will probably get you further. You'll be more inclined to focus on the application instead of fiddling with the tools. Just my 2-cents. -CB :)