All this for 20 bucks an hour...
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Paul Conrad wrote:
All that for $20/hr, I don't think so.
As I replied to Jerry, it depends on where the job's located. If it is a remote contract job and the candidate lives in Trivandrum, India - that'd be an extremely good sum of money.
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My latest book : C++/CLI in Action / Amazon.com linkIt can be, just as in the location perspective that you put it. However, here in southern California it would only be good for someone who is in their junior/senior year in college, but not for a degreed (or multi-degreed) professional with 10+ years of experience.
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Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
As I replied to Jerry, it depends on where the job's located. If it is a remote contract job and the candidate lives in Trivandrum, India - that'd be an extremely good sum of money.
It isn't and you should not promte it as such. Pardon the two-reply to your post.
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Jerry Hammond wrote:
It isn't and you should not promte it as such.
I wouldn't have - but it wasn't 100% obvious from your first post that the job was for a US-specific location. "Buck" is now universally used and is not really restricted to the US$. In addition, international salaries are also quite frequently expressed in US$.
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Jerry Hammond wrote:
Some H1-B pee on your Sunday morning pancakes?
I don't see why you need to be all sore about this, Jerry.
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My latest book : C++/CLI in Action / Amazon.com linkOk... Not sore, per se, but I think it a shame that someone tries to justify a low ball salary and their reasoning is someone else is stupid/pathetic/desperate enough to accept it.
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Ok... Not sore, per se, but I think it a shame that someone tries to justify a low ball salary and their reasoning is someone else is stupid/pathetic/desperate enough to accept it.
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Jerry Hammond wrote:
Not sore, per se, but I think it a shame that someone tries to justify a low ball salary and their reasoning is someone else is stupid/pathetic/desperate enough to accept it.
How is it stupid/pathetic/desperate to accept a salary that's 4 times the industry average in your home-town?
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It can be, just as in the location perspective that you put it. However, here in southern California it would only be good for someone who is in their junior/senior year in college, but not for a degreed (or multi-degreed) professional with 10+ years of experience.
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Paul Conrad wrote:
It can be, just as in the location perspective that you put it. However, here in southern California it would only be good for someone who is in their junior/senior year in college, but not for a degreed (or multi-degreed) professional with 10+ years of experience.
Yep, I totally agree that it would be an awful salary for anyone living in the States (not just California).
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Ok... Not sore, per se, but I think it a shame that someone tries to justify a low ball salary and their reasoning is someone else is stupid/pathetic/desperate enough to accept it.
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Jerry Hammond wrote:
Ok...
By the way, damn you Jerry. You've put me off pan-cakes for a few weeks at least now with all that piss mentioning! :rolleyes:
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Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
As I replied to Jerry, it depends on where the job's located. If it is a remote contract job and the candidate lives in Trivandrum, India - that'd be an extremely good sum of money.
It isn't and you should not promte it as such. Pardon the two-reply to your post.
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Jerry Hammond wrote:
you should not promte it
Where is this particular job located? That could air out this discussion a bit...
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Must have strong knowledge of the following: -Microsoft Windows Operating Systems from 98 to Vista -Microsoft Office Suites especially Outlook -Windows security model, including NTFS file system, User Rights, Services, and Active Directory objects -Configure and manage corporate MS server systems (Exchange, Active Directory, DNS/DHCP, print servers, system imaging, etc.) -Anti-Virus / Anti-spam / Anti-Spy ware services -Symantec Ghost is a must They have got to be kidding!
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A sign of where things are going. :(
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Paul Conrad wrote:
It can be, just as in the location perspective that you put it. However, here in southern California it would only be good for someone who is in their junior/senior year in college, but not for a degreed (or multi-degreed) professional with 10+ years of experience.
Yep, I totally agree that it would be an awful salary for anyone living in the States (not just California).
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My latest book : C++/CLI in Action / Amazon.com linkLike I just asked Jerry, where is it located? If in a major metropolitan area, it would bite, but if the job is located in a rural U.S. area, then it could be a starting point. Again, the bottom line is location :)
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Jerry Hammond wrote:
Had I meant the pay scale in India I would have said Rupee.
Well, I should have made this clear in my first post - but a lot of Indian salaries are now mentioned in USD :-) Anyway, I got your point - you were talking about a job for a US location. But I was pointing out a corollary that the job could be easily given to a contract developer located in Trivandrum (my home town in India).
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My latest book : C++/CLI in Action / Amazon.com linkI'm yet to see a job offering in India where the employer pays in USD.
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Jerry Hammond wrote:
you should not promte it
Where is this particular job located? That could air out this discussion a bit...
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Las Vegas, Nevada
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Ok... Not sore, per se, but I think it a shame that someone tries to justify a low ball salary and their reasoning is someone else is stupid/pathetic/desperate enough to accept it.
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Jerry Hammond wrote:
Not sore, per se, but I think it a shame that someone tries to justify a low ball salary and their reasoning is someone else is stupid/pathetic/desperate enough to accept it.
Capitalism in action. :laugh:
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Jerry Hammond wrote:
Not sore, per se, but I think it a shame that someone tries to justify a low ball salary and their reasoning is someone else is stupid/pathetic/desperate enough to accept it.
How is it stupid/pathetic/desperate to accept a salary that's 4 times the industry average in your home-town?
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My latest book : C++/CLI in Action / Amazon.com linkYou're simply reading too much into what I've posted, Nish. There is a big difference between you justifying a low ball salary and someone "in your hometown" accepting that salary.
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Las Vegas, Nevada
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Hmmm, 20/hr bites then. My uncle does something with the Parks and Rec out there with youth sports and he pulls down between 60-80K/year, running youth sports programs, with a fairly flexible schedule.
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A sign of where things are going. :(
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I'm on-line therefore I am. JimmyRopesMaybe. I've noticed that in the Salt Lake City area there has been an over all decline in salaries while at the same time there has been a marked increase in skill set requirements. Is it a trend? Maybe. It could also be an anomaly and will correct itself shortly when those positions remain unfilled.
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Jerry Hammond wrote:
Not sore, per se, but I think it a shame that someone tries to justify a low ball salary and their reasoning is someone else is stupid/pathetic/desperate enough to accept it.
Capitalism in action. :laugh:
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Capitalism in action.
Agreed. I think it's fun from time to time to mock, berate, gasp at the hubris of some of these HR folks willingness to offer monetary scraps for a skill-set that may have taken years to build.
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I'm yet to see a job offering in India where the employer pays in USD.
Cheers, Vıkram.
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Vikram A Punathambekar wrote:
I'm yet to see a job offering in India where the employer pays in USD.
You've probably not done much contract work then. In my experience and those of people I know, I've never seen any contract work offered in INR terms (though in pretty much every instance, the client was located abroad - not necessarily in the States).
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Maybe. I've noticed that in the Salt Lake City area there has been an over all decline in salaries while at the same time there has been a marked increase in skill set requirements. Is it a trend? Maybe. It could also be an anomaly and will correct itself shortly when those positions remain unfilled.
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Jerry Hammond wrote:
Is it a trend? Maybe. It could also be an anomaly and will correct itself shortly when those positions remain unfilled.
That is presuming that the jobs will go unfilled.
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Jerry Hammond wrote:
Is it a trend? Maybe. It could also be an anomaly and will correct itself shortly when those positions remain unfilled.
That is presuming that the jobs will go unfilled.
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Vikram A Punathambekar wrote:
I'm yet to see a job offering in India where the employer pays in USD.
You've probably not done much contract work then. In my experience and those of people I know, I've never seen any contract work offered in INR terms (though in pretty much every instance, the client was located abroad - not necessarily in the States).
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My latest book : C++/CLI in Action / Amazon.com linkAh, fair enough. I've always worked for big employers as a permanent worker.
Cheers, Vıkram.
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