All this for 20 bucks an hour...
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Paul Conrad wrote:
It can be, just as in the location perspective that you put it. However, here in southern California it would only be good for someone who is in their junior/senior year in college, but not for a degreed (or multi-degreed) professional with 10+ years of experience.
Yep, I totally agree that it would be an awful salary for anyone living in the States (not just California).
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Jerry Hammond wrote:
Had I meant the pay scale in India I would have said Rupee.
Well, I should have made this clear in my first post - but a lot of Indian salaries are now mentioned in USD :-) Anyway, I got your point - you were talking about a job for a US location. But I was pointing out a corollary that the job could be easily given to a contract developer located in Trivandrum (my home town in India).
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My latest book : C++/CLI in Action / Amazon.com linkI'm yet to see a job offering in India where the employer pays in USD.
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Jerry Hammond wrote:
you should not promte it
Where is this particular job located? That could air out this discussion a bit...
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Las Vegas, Nevada
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Ok... Not sore, per se, but I think it a shame that someone tries to justify a low ball salary and their reasoning is someone else is stupid/pathetic/desperate enough to accept it.
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Jerry Hammond wrote:
Not sore, per se, but I think it a shame that someone tries to justify a low ball salary and their reasoning is someone else is stupid/pathetic/desperate enough to accept it.
Capitalism in action. :laugh:
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Jerry Hammond wrote:
Not sore, per se, but I think it a shame that someone tries to justify a low ball salary and their reasoning is someone else is stupid/pathetic/desperate enough to accept it.
How is it stupid/pathetic/desperate to accept a salary that's 4 times the industry average in your home-town?
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My latest book : C++/CLI in Action / Amazon.com linkYou're simply reading too much into what I've posted, Nish. There is a big difference between you justifying a low ball salary and someone "in your hometown" accepting that salary.
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Las Vegas, Nevada
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Hmmm, 20/hr bites then. My uncle does something with the Parks and Rec out there with youth sports and he pulls down between 60-80K/year, running youth sports programs, with a fairly flexible schedule.
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A sign of where things are going. :(
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Jerry Hammond wrote:
Not sore, per se, but I think it a shame that someone tries to justify a low ball salary and their reasoning is someone else is stupid/pathetic/desperate enough to accept it.
Capitalism in action. :laugh:
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Capitalism in action.
Agreed. I think it's fun from time to time to mock, berate, gasp at the hubris of some of these HR folks willingness to offer monetary scraps for a skill-set that may have taken years to build.
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I'm yet to see a job offering in India where the employer pays in USD.
Cheers, Vıkram.
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Vikram A Punathambekar wrote:
I'm yet to see a job offering in India where the employer pays in USD.
You've probably not done much contract work then. In my experience and those of people I know, I've never seen any contract work offered in INR terms (though in pretty much every instance, the client was located abroad - not necessarily in the States).
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Maybe. I've noticed that in the Salt Lake City area there has been an over all decline in salaries while at the same time there has been a marked increase in skill set requirements. Is it a trend? Maybe. It could also be an anomaly and will correct itself shortly when those positions remain unfilled.
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Jerry Hammond wrote:
Is it a trend? Maybe. It could also be an anomaly and will correct itself shortly when those positions remain unfilled.
That is presuming that the jobs will go unfilled.
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Jerry Hammond wrote:
Is it a trend? Maybe. It could also be an anomaly and will correct itself shortly when those positions remain unfilled.
That is presuming that the jobs will go unfilled.
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Vikram A Punathambekar wrote:
I'm yet to see a job offering in India where the employer pays in USD.
You've probably not done much contract work then. In my experience and those of people I know, I've never seen any contract work offered in INR terms (though in pretty much every instance, the client was located abroad - not necessarily in the States).
Regards, Nish
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My latest book : C++/CLI in Action / Amazon.com linkAh, fair enough. I've always worked for big employers as a permanent worker.
Cheers, Vıkram.
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Ah, fair enough. I've always worked for big employers as a permanent worker.
Cheers, Vıkram.
After all is said and done, much is said and little is done.
Vikram A Punathambekar wrote:
I've always worked for big employers as a permanent worker.
I've never worked for a big employer - it's probably something I may never experience in my career. Not that I mind much now, but it may have helped me earlier on in my career - specially all the politics and social differences of working for a massive company.
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Must have strong knowledge of the following: -Microsoft Windows Operating Systems from 98 to Vista -Microsoft Office Suites especially Outlook -Windows security model, including NTFS file system, User Rights, Services, and Active Directory objects -Configure and manage corporate MS server systems (Exchange, Active Directory, DNS/DHCP, print servers, system imaging, etc.) -Anti-Virus / Anti-spam / Anti-Spy ware services -Symantec Ghost is a must They have got to be kidding!
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Our sysadmin was complaining about this last week. Companies are looking for super admins, but aren't willing to pay the big bucks for qualified people. Just being capable with Active Directory is worth $20 an hour.
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Maybe. I've noticed that in the Salt Lake City area there has been an over all decline in salaries while at the same time there has been a marked increase in skill set requirements. Is it a trend? Maybe. It could also be an anomaly and will correct itself shortly when those positions remain unfilled.
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Jerry Hammond wrote:
there has been an over all decline in salaries while at the same time there has been a marked increase in skill set requirements. Is it a trend?
Yes. It's happening in the UK as well. The type of rate/skill set in your original post is occasionally seen in UK job boards too.
Kevin
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Ok... Not sore, per se, but I think it a shame that someone tries to justify a low ball salary and their reasoning is someone else is stupid/pathetic/desperate enough to accept it.
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I think Nish's point was perfectly valid and reasonable. You didn't include any details so it's anyone's guess where this is or what it pertains to. He's quite right though: if you can't think outside the U.S., think of it in U.S. terms, pick a tiny, poor town in a poor state and think about how much they are paying an in-house computer tech at a starting level wage.
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I think Nish's point was perfectly valid and reasonable. You didn't include any details so it's anyone's guess where this is or what it pertains to. He's quite right though: if you can't think outside the U.S., think of it in U.S. terms, pick a tiny, poor town in a poor state and think about how much they are paying an in-house computer tech at a starting level wage.
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John Cardinal wrote:
if you can't think outside the U.S.,
Oh must I to be a good person?:(
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Must have strong knowledge of the following: -Microsoft Windows Operating Systems from 98 to Vista -Microsoft Office Suites especially Outlook -Windows security model, including NTFS file system, User Rights, Services, and Active Directory objects -Configure and manage corporate MS server systems (Exchange, Active Directory, DNS/DHCP, print servers, system imaging, etc.) -Anti-Virus / Anti-spam / Anti-Spy ware services -Symantec Ghost is a must They have got to be kidding!
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This highly depends on location and how long you have been out of work. If the job was in my area and the person was out of work for long enough I can see them taking this $20/hr job being that this is not a horrible salary in Pittsburgh, PA. Although I agree anyone with these qualifications has to be desperate to accept that.
John
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John Cardinal wrote:
if you can't think outside the U.S.,
Oh must I to be a good person?:(
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I'll settle for open minded... ;)
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Well, you know how us knuckle-dragging, slope-headed Yank are...never think about anyone but ourselves.
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