12-21-2012
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Ok, so now here's one that will also bug ya ... How often do you look at a clock and see the time 9:11 or 11:11 This happens to me constantly, to the point where one day, I Googled on 11:11, but oddly enough, didn't come across this 12-21-2012 thing (first I've heard of it). As for the whole "do I believe" question ... ask me that again on 12-21-2012. Oh, and someone here needs to contact Prince, or whatever the heck his name is this year, and tell him he needs to get cracking on a new song; since that 1999 end of the world thing didn't work out ... :rolleyes:
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Has anyone seen the history channel (or other stuff) show related to that date? I was watching it yesterday and ancient Aztec's, Chinese, Hopi, WebBot and Oracles predict it will either be the last day of the world or some type of cataclysm? It was a pretty interesting show and while I don't know if I buy into *any* of it it had an odd and far-spread viewpoint from religious people to computer programs and other things that were arriving at 12-21-2012 being the "last day". I don't want this to be a religious discussion instead I found it fascinating that ancient Chinese, Hopi Indians, Aztecs, Oracles etc... from so many parts of the world and from such different times could all arrive at the same date. Now how much of this is "sensationalism" and how much is hard and fast true... Well only the Inquirer knows that... Anybody else catch that or similar stuff. I found it interesting even if it isn't true (and I hope it's as fake as pleather)? Also if you Google "12-21-2012" you get some pretty fascinating hits. Even if it turns out not to be true I think stuff like this has some real entertainment value :rolleyes: but it's also interesting assuming it's historically accurate.
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According to my horoscope, I'm going to be grumpy that day. Now I know why.
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Ok, so now here's one that will also bug ya ... How often do you look at a clock and see the time 9:11 or 11:11 This happens to me constantly, to the point where one day, I Googled on 11:11, but oddly enough, didn't come across this 12-21-2012 thing (first I've heard of it). As for the whole "do I believe" question ... ask me that again on 12-21-2012. Oh, and someone here needs to contact Prince, or whatever the heck his name is this year, and tell him he needs to get cracking on a new song; since that 1999 end of the world thing didn't work out ... :rolleyes:
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How often do you look at a clock and see the time 9:11
Assuming you have a 24 hour clock, no more than once per day...
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*grin* yeah, that's always the question with these sort of predictions. I guess it would not occur to them that a dating system could in fact be totally arbitrary. Apparently, when this happened, a lot of people were very upset and there was revolt, because people felt that everyone was appointed a day to die, by God. Causing some time to just, well, disappear, meant that everyone lost some life. Of course, in theory, those appointed to die on the missing days would presumably live forever, but no-one thought of that.
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The only thing unpredictable about me is just how predictable I'm going to be.
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It wasn't the Aztecs, but the Mayas. And they didn't predicted a cataclysm nor the end of the world. See, they have two calendars. One composed of 360 days + 5 holly days and another one composed by 52 years. The second calendar, is a holly one. After the a cycle is completed, Mayans thought that their gods were up to decide whether to allow life or end the world. They celebrated rituals, etcetcetc. Each cycle in the holly calendar had a name. For example, the year 1-Canne. Etc. So they made many calculations, and they stopped them at this date in 2012 (BTW you don't need to know Gregorian calendar, only to make an extrapolation of dates between their calendar to Gregorian calendar). Why they did stop? Many believe that they were predicting the end of the world. Others, that a big event that will change humanity will take place. I believe that they ran out of paper. They didn't stated: "they world shall end at 2012". It's up to believers.
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I was about to post something to the same effect when I spotted this comment. I've read quite a lot of stuff around this over the years, from various sources. It might look suspicious at first glance, but really, if you're compiling your calendar, and each 52 year period has a name, and there are all these intricate rules (I seem to remember something about great-calendars of many more years too, possibly 3600), would you really want to actually tie down all this information for dates many hundreds of years in the future when you're dealing primarily with the here and now? As a case in point, lots of programmers in the late 20th century coded all their dates with 2 figure years, because it saved space and they were only dealing with the here and now. I think we all know how that turned out. No disasters, but some red faces and a lot of hype. If they were still around, there'd probably be some red faced Mayans running round trying desperately to codify a few more decades right now.
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Has anyone seen the history channel (or other stuff) show related to that date? I was watching it yesterday and ancient Aztec's, Chinese, Hopi, WebBot and Oracles predict it will either be the last day of the world or some type of cataclysm? It was a pretty interesting show and while I don't know if I buy into *any* of it it had an odd and far-spread viewpoint from religious people to computer programs and other things that were arriving at 12-21-2012 being the "last day". I don't want this to be a religious discussion instead I found it fascinating that ancient Chinese, Hopi Indians, Aztecs, Oracles etc... from so many parts of the world and from such different times could all arrive at the same date. Now how much of this is "sensationalism" and how much is hard and fast true... Well only the Inquirer knows that... Anybody else catch that or similar stuff. I found it interesting even if it isn't true (and I hope it's as fake as pleather)? Also if you Google "12-21-2012" you get some pretty fascinating hits. Even if it turns out not to be true I think stuff like this has some real entertainment value :rolleyes: but it's also interesting assuming it's historically accurate.
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Pretty clever of them to predict this would be the date without knowing about the Gregorian calendar reform[^]
cheers, Chris Maunder
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Yeah, but it would be still the same day, regardless of what we call it. I doubt the Chinese or the Mayans or whoever referred to it as December 21st 2012. Coincidential that it is the winter solstice?? ;-)
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Has anyone seen the history channel (or other stuff) show related to that date? I was watching it yesterday and ancient Aztec's, Chinese, Hopi, WebBot and Oracles predict it will either be the last day of the world or some type of cataclysm? It was a pretty interesting show and while I don't know if I buy into *any* of it it had an odd and far-spread viewpoint from religious people to computer programs and other things that were arriving at 12-21-2012 being the "last day". I don't want this to be a religious discussion instead I found it fascinating that ancient Chinese, Hopi Indians, Aztecs, Oracles etc... from so many parts of the world and from such different times could all arrive at the same date. Now how much of this is "sensationalism" and how much is hard and fast true... Well only the Inquirer knows that... Anybody else catch that or similar stuff. I found it interesting even if it isn't true (and I hope it's as fake as pleather)? Also if you Google "12-21-2012" you get some pretty fascinating hits. Even if it turns out not to be true I think stuff like this has some real entertainment value :rolleyes: but it's also interesting assuming it's historically accurate.
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frog, Remember that the source that had these dates had to be "interpreted" heavily. So if you are of a bent where the world ends 8/10/2007 then you will filter everything you find through that thought and lo and behold all of the "Ancients" who according to everyone were SO MUCH smarter than us must've known. Bunk on that. Predictions come and go. The Hindu thought the end of the world was a few years back (can't remember what year) then POOF it came and went and they ummmm said welllll uhhhh that was a wrong interpretation. However the entire religion BELIEVED. And what about Pat Robertson and all of his predictions and talking to God like he were some cheap five-cent machine where you put your money in and it spits out your future. Have any of his predictions come true? Exceptions to this are the predictions he told no one about until they "came true" and then said he knew about that and predicted it. Just off on a rant frog. I don't believe too much in scientists and their opinions that are passed off as fact.Like global warming, they can predict all these things tens and hundreds of years out, but can't predict a hurricane season or even what its going to be like in Cleveland, Ohio the next day. POSH and Poppycock. However, believe it if it entertains you. I've got one for you, how do you go to the moon when you have to travel through the Van Allen radiation belts surrounding the planet where the plasma is highly charged? How do you do it in 1960s?
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Ok, so now here's one that will also bug ya ... How often do you look at a clock and see the time 9:11 or 11:11 This happens to me constantly, to the point where one day, I Googled on 11:11, but oddly enough, didn't come across this 12-21-2012 thing (first I've heard of it). As for the whole "do I believe" question ... ask me that again on 12-21-2012. Oh, and someone here needs to contact Prince, or whatever the heck his name is this year, and tell him he needs to get cracking on a new song; since that 1999 end of the world thing didn't work out ... :rolleyes:
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Has anyone seen the history channel (or other stuff) show related to that date? I was watching it yesterday and ancient Aztec's, Chinese, Hopi, WebBot and Oracles predict it will either be the last day of the world or some type of cataclysm? It was a pretty interesting show and while I don't know if I buy into *any* of it it had an odd and far-spread viewpoint from religious people to computer programs and other things that were arriving at 12-21-2012 being the "last day". I don't want this to be a religious discussion instead I found it fascinating that ancient Chinese, Hopi Indians, Aztecs, Oracles etc... from so many parts of the world and from such different times could all arrive at the same date. Now how much of this is "sensationalism" and how much is hard and fast true... Well only the Inquirer knows that... Anybody else catch that or similar stuff. I found it interesting even if it isn't true (and I hope it's as fake as pleather)? Also if you Google "12-21-2012" you get some pretty fascinating hits. Even if it turns out not to be true I think stuff like this has some real entertainment value :rolleyes: but it's also interesting assuming it's historically accurate.
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Most ancient civilizations have astrological calendars. Because of this they would make note of important astrological events such as a Great Year. A Great Year[^] is the time required for one complete cycle of the Precession of the equinoxes[^]. Which basiclly means the equinoxes repeat every 25,765 years. The current Great Year ends in 2012. So it is no more the end of the world than 12/31 is. It is just the end of another Great Year. -- modified at 11:44 Thursday 9th August, 2007
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Has anyone seen the history channel (or other stuff) show related to that date? I was watching it yesterday and ancient Aztec's, Chinese, Hopi, WebBot and Oracles predict it will either be the last day of the world or some type of cataclysm? It was a pretty interesting show and while I don't know if I buy into *any* of it it had an odd and far-spread viewpoint from religious people to computer programs and other things that were arriving at 12-21-2012 being the "last day". I don't want this to be a religious discussion instead I found it fascinating that ancient Chinese, Hopi Indians, Aztecs, Oracles etc... from so many parts of the world and from such different times could all arrive at the same date. Now how much of this is "sensationalism" and how much is hard and fast true... Well only the Inquirer knows that... Anybody else catch that or similar stuff. I found it interesting even if it isn't true (and I hope it's as fake as pleather)? Also if you Google "12-21-2012" you get some pretty fascinating hits. Even if it turns out not to be true I think stuff like this has some real entertainment value :rolleyes: but it's also interesting assuming it's historically accurate.
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Since there isn't a 21st month, I'm not worried.
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That better not be the last day! I'll be pissed if the world ends just a few days before I get my Christmas presents that year! :mad:
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That better not be the last day! I'll be pissed if the world ends just a few days before I get my Christmas presents that year! :josh:
Think about it this way. You can skip buying Christmas presents in 2012 and party like its.... well, whenever. -- Lilith
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Pretty clever of them to predict this would be the date without knowing about the Gregorian calendar reform[^]
cheers, Chris Maunder
CodeProject.com : C++ MVP
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Has anyone seen the history channel (or other stuff) show related to that date? I was watching it yesterday and ancient Aztec's, Chinese, Hopi, WebBot and Oracles predict it will either be the last day of the world or some type of cataclysm? It was a pretty interesting show and while I don't know if I buy into *any* of it it had an odd and far-spread viewpoint from religious people to computer programs and other things that were arriving at 12-21-2012 being the "last day". I don't want this to be a religious discussion instead I found it fascinating that ancient Chinese, Hopi Indians, Aztecs, Oracles etc... from so many parts of the world and from such different times could all arrive at the same date. Now how much of this is "sensationalism" and how much is hard and fast true... Well only the Inquirer knows that... Anybody else catch that or similar stuff. I found it interesting even if it isn't true (and I hope it's as fake as pleather)? Also if you Google "12-21-2012" you get some pretty fascinating hits. Even if it turns out not to be true I think stuff like this has some real entertainment value :rolleyes: but it's also interesting assuming it's historically accurate.
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From what I have read, the Mayans didn't actually predict the end of the world. It is the end of their calendar. And, the date is in dispute - it is either 12-21 or 12-23, depending on what calendar correction is used. The History Channel is quite often just entertainment, not real history. I know their programs on Christianity (my area of interest) usually have factual error, but are entertaining for the target audience. Perhaps that is true for other areas they buy programs for. I also find it interesting that the Judaism & Christianity don't have any prophecy pointing to those dates, yet other prophecy of historical events in their canons has been accurate. I put the 12-21-2012 story in the same myth "lockbox" as global warming and Elvis sightings. Try this link for some more reasoned info on the date. http://curious.astro.cornell.edu/question.php?number=686[^] I would think a more concerning "doomsday" indicator is that a company as large and as experienced as Microsoft stumbles with the bloated OS Vista that folks don't seem to want. If they can't get an OS right, what does that say about the future of the company? Hey, maybe 12-21-2012 is the day MS folds unless they get back to good OSs, products, and tools like they used to make.;P
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Pretty clever of them to predict this would be the date without knowing about the Gregorian calendar reform[^]
cheers, Chris Maunder
CodeProject.com : C++ MVP
They obviously didn't write down 12-21-2012. It's the winter solstice in that year. And others who were paying attention astronomically in ancient times would have come to the same date. On the winter solstice of 2012, the noonday Sun exactly conjuncts the crossing point of the sun's ecliptic with the galactic plane, while also closely conjuncting the exact center of the galaxy. That's rare enough that you might just assume that something special was going to happen.
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jcdevnet wrote:
Mexicans
do New Mexicans count or are we forgotten by North, South, East and West alike?
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El Corazon wrote:
do New Mexicans count
Only if you like soccer... :laugh:
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El Corazon wrote:
do New Mexicans count
Only if you like soccer... :laugh:
A polar bear is a bear whose coordinates has been changed in terms of sine and cosine. Quanehsti Pah Nation States
Fernando A. Gomez F. wrote:
Only if you like soccer...
I don't jump for it... but I find it more entertaining than American Football. Is that close enough?
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
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They obviously didn't write down 12-21-2012. It's the winter solstice in that year. And others who were paying attention astronomically in ancient times would have come to the same date. On the winter solstice of 2012, the noonday Sun exactly conjuncts the crossing point of the sun's ecliptic with the galactic plane, while also closely conjuncting the exact center of the galaxy. That's rare enough that you might just assume that something special was going to happen.
The sun actually crosses the galactic plane regularly (about every 33 million years, +/- 3 million years), and given the time it takes to transition the plane, it is noon a lot of places on earth, many times over, before the transition is complete. Given that scientisits are not in agreemwnt with the "when", I don't think one can narrow it down to a date and time. Not even the Mayans, who couldn't even foresee the future danger of the Spaniards. I wonder how the Mayans felt about illegal immigration at the end. ;) Besides, given the - pun intended - astronomical distances between stars, even the denser middle of the galactic plane doesn't significantly (or even measurably) change either the danger of collision with anything or effects of gravity from other star systems.
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Has anyone seen the history channel (or other stuff) show related to that date? I was watching it yesterday and ancient Aztec's, Chinese, Hopi, WebBot and Oracles predict it will either be the last day of the world or some type of cataclysm? It was a pretty interesting show and while I don't know if I buy into *any* of it it had an odd and far-spread viewpoint from religious people to computer programs and other things that were arriving at 12-21-2012 being the "last day". I don't want this to be a religious discussion instead I found it fascinating that ancient Chinese, Hopi Indians, Aztecs, Oracles etc... from so many parts of the world and from such different times could all arrive at the same date. Now how much of this is "sensationalism" and how much is hard and fast true... Well only the Inquirer knows that... Anybody else catch that or similar stuff. I found it interesting even if it isn't true (and I hope it's as fake as pleather)? Also if you Google "12-21-2012" you get some pretty fascinating hits. Even if it turns out not to be true I think stuff like this has some real entertainment value :rolleyes: but it's also interesting assuming it's historically accurate.
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In the UK we write the day and month the other way around so I was quite hopeful when googling "21-12-2012" that perhaps we will escape this predicted disaster. Unfortunately not, it appears that we're doomed as well :sigh: It's a shame that the world isn't going to end before the 2012 London olympics... then we could cancel it and save ourselves lots of money to spend on a big end-of-the world party instead!
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Has anyone seen the history channel (or other stuff) show related to that date? I was watching it yesterday and ancient Aztec's, Chinese, Hopi, WebBot and Oracles predict it will either be the last day of the world or some type of cataclysm? It was a pretty interesting show and while I don't know if I buy into *any* of it it had an odd and far-spread viewpoint from religious people to computer programs and other things that were arriving at 12-21-2012 being the "last day". I don't want this to be a religious discussion instead I found it fascinating that ancient Chinese, Hopi Indians, Aztecs, Oracles etc... from so many parts of the world and from such different times could all arrive at the same date. Now how much of this is "sensationalism" and how much is hard and fast true... Well only the Inquirer knows that... Anybody else catch that or similar stuff. I found it interesting even if it isn't true (and I hope it's as fake as pleather)? Also if you Google "12-21-2012" you get some pretty fascinating hits. Even if it turns out not to be true I think stuff like this has some real entertainment value :rolleyes: but it's also interesting assuming it's historically accurate.
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No man can know the end. I saw that same (sort?) of thins awhile back and thought it was especailly compelling. But I choose to still believe, that no man knows. It will be in a time that know one is expeciting it. There are times like that behind and many more ahead. Besides, do you really think that we don't go on, somehow, someway?
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