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Notes sucks SO bad....
Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ "I am working on a project that will convert a FORTRAN code to corresponding C++ code.I am not aware of FORTRAN syntax" ( spotted in the C++/CLI forum )
yeah i have it use it...its soo bad thats its indescribable worse than an ocker rugby player on the beer ;) Bryce
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Here's a supposed screenshot if anyone cares: http://blog.agileware.net/images/hannover.jpg[^]
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X| All that busy-ness and the only command container you get is a menu. E-mails as sub-tabs? Has kind of a pretty scheme too it. Seems like only the graphics guys did their jobs.
I agree, the scheme looks good, but it doesn't seem to have the least bit of an intuitive layout. It's like anything else: it needs to work before it needs to look good, like a sports car for instance: it gets boring fast if it can't even move.
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Notes sucks SO bad....
Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ "I am working on a project that will convert a FORTRAN code to corresponding C++ code.I am not aware of FORTRAN syntax" ( spotted in the C++/CLI forum )
Hear, hear.
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It's supposed to be a vast improvement, usability wise, over earlier versions.
Kevin
Sadly that is not saying much. X|
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Here's a supposed screenshot if anyone cares: http://blog.agileware.net/images/hannover.jpg[^]
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Anna :rose: Linting the day away :cool: Anna's Place | Tears and Laughter "If mushy peas are the food of the devil, the stotty cake is the frisbee of God"
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Sadly that is not saying much. X|
Anna :rose: Linting the day away :cool: Anna's Place | Tears and Laughter "If mushy peas are the food of the devil, the stotty cake is the frisbee of God"
I used Notes briefly about 7 years ago. My impression was that it was much more powerful than Outlook but that its usability sucked big time. It's one of the main reasons why Microsoft is so dominant. Despite our continual moaning about Microsoft, its products tend to look pretty and be easy to use. Competitors are frequently ugly ducklings. Looks matter.
Kevin
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I used Notes briefly about 7 years ago. My impression was that it was much more powerful than Outlook but that its usability sucked big time. It's one of the main reasons why Microsoft is so dominant. Despite our continual moaning about Microsoft, its products tend to look pretty and be easy to use. Competitors are frequently ugly ducklings. Looks matter.
Kevin
I too used it several years ago, as a mail system it was just OK. As a collaborative workbench it was excellent. And it was a good start on helping to develop an enterprise ethos whereby corporate memory did not walk out the door when someone resigned or retired. As a development environment it was awful. Post modernists preferred Outlook (form without substance), pragmatists and modernists preferred Notes.
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I used Notes briefly about 7 years ago. My impression was that it was much more powerful than Outlook but that its usability sucked big time. It's one of the main reasons why Microsoft is so dominant. Despite our continual moaning about Microsoft, its products tend to look pretty and be easy to use. Competitors are frequently ugly ducklings. Looks matter.
Kevin
Kevin McFarlane wrote:
easy to use
Lotus Notes (at least version 6.5, which is what I'm forced to use) is an abomination from the standpoint of usability. "Powerful" doesn't even figure into it; it's an e-mail client, for God's sake. Send, receive, and store e-mails. That's all it's supposed to do, and it can't do that without making it look like the cockpit for a B-52.
Software Zen:
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ARRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHH![^] I'm *so* glad my new employer uses Outlook. [relieved emoticon] Heh, anyway, my previous employer only moved from Notes 5 to Notes 6 last year.
Cheers, Vıkram.
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It's supposed to be a vast improvement, usability wise, over earlier versions.
Kevin
My company is using 7.0 --- TOTAL PIECE OF JUNK! Somebody in my company has to be getting a kickback!
John P.
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Kevin McFarlane wrote:
easy to use
Lotus Notes (at least version 6.5, which is what I'm forced to use) is an abomination from the standpoint of usability. "Powerful" doesn't even figure into it; it's an e-mail client, for God's sake. Send, receive, and store e-mails. That's all it's supposed to do, and it can't do that without making it look like the cockpit for a B-52.
Software Zen:
delete this;Except that a B-52 does what it's designed to do! Notes fails to do even that, with a laundry list of brain-dead usability decisions and non-functionality a mile long!
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Except that a B-52 does what it's designed to do! Notes fails to do even that, with a laundry list of brain-dead usability decisions and non-functionality a mile long!
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Indeed. When we were forced to switch to Notes, I spent the first few days keeping a list of bugs. It grew to four pages in no time; each item in the list is only a sentence or two. My personal favorite: Notes uses the Internet Explorer WebBrowser ActiveX control to display HTML in e-mail, which is all well and good. Notes filters HTML to alter how it is rendered. They alter fonts, change line spacings, and make random substitutions in IMG tags. Some tags don't render properly, and some attributes are removed. CSS gets touched in odd ways. There isn't any rhyme or reason to it. It's almost like some IBM programmer decided to force all HTML coming into the thing to render the way he preferred.
Software Zen:
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My company is using 7.0 --- TOTAL PIECE OF JUNK! Somebody in my company has to be getting a kickback!
John P.
So is there anyone out there that likes Notes?
Kevin
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I suppose future job interviews featuring you might go like this :- HR Exec : Alright you seem quite alright, let's discuss your salary now. Vikram : No, haven't got there yet. Before that, let's talk about your enterprise mail client. HR Exec : wtf!!!
Regards, Nish
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My latest book : C++/CLI in Action / Amazon.com linkNishant Sivakumar wrote:
HR Exec : Alright you seem quite alright, let's discuss your salary now. Vikram : No, haven't got there yet. Before that, let's talk about your enterprise mail client.
I'd do research on important matters like that before I went for the interview. :suss:
Cheers, Vıkram.
After all is said and done, much is said and little is done.
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ARRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHH![^] I'm *so* glad my new employer uses Outlook. [relieved emoticon] Heh, anyway, my previous employer only moved from Notes 5 to Notes 6 last year.
Cheers, Vıkram.
After all is said and done, much is said and little is done.
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Vikram A Punathambekar wrote:
I'm *so* glad my new employer uses Outlook
Really?! Microsoft's new Chief Software Architect designed Lotus Notes. Let's hope he's learned his lesson. Otherwise we're all doomed!
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Not quite. The replication engine, yes. The UI no. That was a committee, and it was a LONG time ago. The current version ? Not a chance.
