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  • V Vikram A Punathambekar

    ARRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHH![^] I'm *so* glad my new employer uses Outlook. [relieved emoticon] Heh, anyway, my previous employer only moved from Notes 5 to Notes 6 last year.

    Cheers, Vıkram.


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    Nice to see that the profanity filter is working ;)

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      Nice to see that the profanity filter is working ;)

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      Jim Crafton
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      It must be a pre-emptive filter!

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      • J Jim Crafton

        I'll be curious to see what it looks like since it supposed to be based on the Eclipse rich client framework. It would be nice if they could get search to actually work in some fashion more impressive than what an 8 year old might code.

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        Kevin McFarlane
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        It's supposed to be a vast improvement, usability wise, over earlier versions.

        Kevin

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        • V Vikram A Punathambekar

          ARRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHH![^] I'm *so* glad my new employer uses Outlook. [relieved emoticon] Heh, anyway, my previous employer only moved from Notes 5 to Notes 6 last year.

          Cheers, Vıkram.


          After all is said and done, much is said and little is done.

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          Christian Graus
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          Notes sucks SO bad....

          Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ "I am working on a project that will convert a FORTRAN code to corresponding C++ code.I am not aware of FORTRAN syntax" ( spotted in the C++/CLI forum )

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          • V Vikram A Punathambekar

            ARRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHH![^] I'm *so* glad my new employer uses Outlook. [relieved emoticon] Heh, anyway, my previous employer only moved from Notes 5 to Notes 6 last year.

            Cheers, Vıkram.


            After all is said and done, much is said and little is done.

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            Colin Angus Mackay
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            Vikram A Punathambekar wrote:

            I'm *so* glad my new employer uses Outlook

            Really?! Microsoft's new Chief Software Architect designed Lotus Notes. Let's hope he's learned his lesson. Otherwise we're all doomed!


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            • C Christian Graus

              Notes sucks SO bad....

              Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ "I am working on a project that will convert a FORTRAN code to corresponding C++ code.I am not aware of FORTRAN syntax" ( spotted in the C++/CLI forum )

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              Jay Gatsby
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              Amen.

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              • C Christian Graus

                Notes sucks SO bad....

                Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ "I am working on a project that will convert a FORTRAN code to corresponding C++ code.I am not aware of FORTRAN syntax" ( spotted in the C++/CLI forum )

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                bryce
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                yeah i have it use it...its soo bad thats its indescribable worse than an ocker rugby player on the beer ;) Bryce

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                • J Jim Crafton

                  Here's a supposed screenshot if anyone cares: http://blog.agileware.net/images/hannover.jpg[^]

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                  X| All that busy-ness and the only command container you get is a menu. E-mails as sub-tabs? Has kind of a pretty scheme too it. Seems like only the graphics guys did their jobs.

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                    X| All that busy-ness and the only command container you get is a menu. E-mails as sub-tabs? Has kind of a pretty scheme too it. Seems like only the graphics guys did their jobs.

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                    Jay Gatsby
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                    I agree, the scheme looks good, but it doesn't seem to have the least bit of an intuitive layout. It's like anything else: it needs to work before it needs to look good, like a sports car for instance: it gets boring fast if it can't even move.

                    -Gatsby

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                    • C Christian Graus

                      Notes sucks SO bad....

                      Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ "I am working on a project that will convert a FORTRAN code to corresponding C++ code.I am not aware of FORTRAN syntax" ( spotted in the C++/CLI forum )

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                      Sebastian Schneider
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                      Hear, hear.

                      Cheers, Sebastian -- "If it was two men, the non-driver would have challenged the driver to simply crash through the gates. The macho image thing, you know." - Marc Clifton

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                      • K Kevin McFarlane

                        It's supposed to be a vast improvement, usability wise, over earlier versions.

                        Kevin

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                        Anna Jayne Metcalfe
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                        Sadly that is not saying much. X|

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                        • J Jim Crafton

                          Here's a supposed screenshot if anyone cares: http://blog.agileware.net/images/hannover.jpg[^]

                          ¡El diablo está en mis pantalones! ¡Mire, mire! Real Mentats use only 100% pure, unfooled around with Sapho Juice(tm)! SELECT * FROM User WHERE Clue > 0 0 rows returned Save an Orange - Use the VCF! VCF Blog

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                          Anna Jayne Metcalfe
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                          Words fail me. X| X| X| X| X| X| X| X| X| X| X| X|

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                          • A Anna Jayne Metcalfe

                            Sadly that is not saying much. X|

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                            Kevin McFarlane
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                            I used Notes briefly about 7 years ago. My impression was that it was much more powerful than Outlook but that its usability sucked big time. It's one of the main reasons why Microsoft is so dominant. Despite our continual moaning about Microsoft, its products tend to look pretty and be easy to use. Competitors are frequently ugly ducklings. Looks matter.

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                            • K Kevin McFarlane

                              I used Notes briefly about 7 years ago. My impression was that it was much more powerful than Outlook but that its usability sucked big time. It's one of the main reasons why Microsoft is so dominant. Despite our continual moaning about Microsoft, its products tend to look pretty and be easy to use. Competitors are frequently ugly ducklings. Looks matter.

                              Kevin

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                              I too used it several years ago, as a mail system it was just OK. As a collaborative workbench it was excellent. And it was a good start on helping to develop an enterprise ethos whereby corporate memory did not walk out the door when someone resigned or retired. As a development environment it was awful. Post modernists preferred Outlook (form without substance), pragmatists and modernists preferred Notes.

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                              • K Kevin McFarlane

                                I used Notes briefly about 7 years ago. My impression was that it was much more powerful than Outlook but that its usability sucked big time. It's one of the main reasons why Microsoft is so dominant. Despite our continual moaning about Microsoft, its products tend to look pretty and be easy to use. Competitors are frequently ugly ducklings. Looks matter.

                                Kevin

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                                Gary Wheeler
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                                Kevin McFarlane wrote:

                                easy to use

                                Lotus Notes (at least version 6.5, which is what I'm forced to use) is an abomination from the standpoint of usability. "Powerful" doesn't even figure into it; it's an e-mail client, for God's sake. Send, receive, and store e-mails. That's all it's supposed to do, and it can't do that without making it look like the cockpit for a B-52.


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                                • V Vikram A Punathambekar

                                  ARRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHH![^] I'm *so* glad my new employer uses Outlook. [relieved emoticon] Heh, anyway, my previous employer only moved from Notes 5 to Notes 6 last year.

                                  Cheers, Vıkram.


                                  After all is said and done, much is said and little is done.

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                                  I worked for a couple of clients that used Notes. Notes was an unbelievable memory hog, to the point where you couldn't keep it open while your IDE was open. Both were sucking resources by the second. Hopefully, newer versions have fixed this.

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                                  • K Kevin McFarlane

                                    It's supposed to be a vast improvement, usability wise, over earlier versions.

                                    Kevin

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                                    Reagan Conservative
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                                    My company is using 7.0 --- TOTAL PIECE OF JUNK! Somebody in my company has to be getting a kickback!

                                    John P.

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                                      Kevin McFarlane wrote:

                                      easy to use

                                      Lotus Notes (at least version 6.5, which is what I'm forced to use) is an abomination from the standpoint of usability. "Powerful" doesn't even figure into it; it's an e-mail client, for God's sake. Send, receive, and store e-mails. That's all it's supposed to do, and it can't do that without making it look like the cockpit for a B-52.


                                      Software Zen: delete this;

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                                      Except that a B-52 does what it's designed to do! Notes fails to do even that, with a laundry list of brain-dead usability decisions and non-functionality a mile long!

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                                      • J Jim Crafton

                                        Except that a B-52 does what it's designed to do! Notes fails to do even that, with a laundry list of brain-dead usability decisions and non-functionality a mile long!

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                                        Gary Wheeler
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                                        Indeed. When we were forced to switch to Notes, I spent the first few days keeping a list of bugs. It grew to four pages in no time; each item in the list is only a sentence or two. My personal favorite: Notes uses the Internet Explorer WebBrowser ActiveX control to display HTML in e-mail, which is all well and good. Notes filters HTML to alter how it is rendered. They alter fonts, change line spacings, and make random substitutions in IMG tags. Some tags don't render properly, and some attributes are removed. CSS gets touched in odd ways. There isn't any rhyme or reason to it. It's almost like some IBM programmer decided to force all HTML coming into the thing to render the way he preferred.


                                        Software Zen: delete this;

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                                        • R Reagan Conservative

                                          My company is using 7.0 --- TOTAL PIECE OF JUNK! Somebody in my company has to be getting a kickback!

                                          John P.

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                                          Kevin McFarlane
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                                          So is there anyone out there that likes Notes?

                                          Kevin

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