I *hate* Vista
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For a while I thought I was just going mad, but I'm now certain. Vista, at times, just closes programs without telling me why. I know for sure, because this time it was the IE instance I had CP and my mail running in. IE would prompt to ask if you want all tabs closed, and I definately did not see that, so there's no way I clicked it by accident. It's just gone. I guess IE was the weakest link. I can buy into that.
Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ "I am working on a project that will convert a FORTRAN code to corresponding C++ code.I am not aware of FORTRAN syntax" ( spotted in the C++/CLI forum )
Christian Graus wrote:
Vista, at times, just closes programs without telling me why
Christian ... Vista knows what is best for you. Obviously it thought you had been spending far too much time on the internet, and thereby, lowering your performance index. Vista has merely automatically adjusted your "user experience" to improve your productivity. Remember Christian, Microsoft Windows Vista is your friend. It has been programmed with your best interests in mind, and knows what is right and wrong, and what you should and should not be doing. Now, having said that ... get back to work, before Vista optimizes you out of the equation. ;P
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hmmm but on Windows XP when Flash misbehave you get a visual error dump as the host app. is crashing.
regards, Paul Watson Ireland & South Africa
Shog9 wrote:
And with that, Paul closed his browser, sipped his herbal tea, fixed the flower in his hair, and smiled brightly at the multitude of cute, furry animals flocking around the grassy hillside where he sat coding Ruby on his Mac...
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"Faulting application iexplore.exe, version 7.0.6000.16512, time stamp 0x46807103, faulting module Flash9c.ocx, version 9.0.45.0, time stamp 0x45db8560, exception code 0xc0000005, fault offset 0x00187d1b, process id 0xb60, application start time 0x01c7f4563ebaffcb." It was Flash. The other app I noticed disappear doesn't have an entry, but this explains where IE went. Funny, unless some CP ads were Flash, I didn't have a site with Flash open.
Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ "I am working on a project that will convert a FORTRAN code to corresponding C++ code.I am not aware of FORTRAN syntax" ( spotted in the C++/CLI forum )
I guess this shines some [Silver]light on the Flash problem.
only two letters away from being an asset
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hmmm but on Windows XP when Flash misbehave you get a visual error dump as the host app. is crashing.
regards, Paul Watson Ireland & South Africa
Shog9 wrote:
And with that, Paul closed his browser, sipped his herbal tea, fixed the flower in his hair, and smiled brightly at the multitude of cute, furry animals flocking around the grassy hillside where he sat coding Ruby on his Mac...
Yes, I certainly expected some sort of message to tell me what was going wrong, is the core concern.
Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ "I am working on a project that will convert a FORTRAN code to corresponding C++ code.I am not aware of FORTRAN syntax" ( spotted in the C++/CLI forum )
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I guess this shines some [Silver]light on the Flash problem.
only two letters away from being an asset
Hmmmm.... IE crashes and blames Flash, people download Silverlight....
Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ "I am working on a project that will convert a FORTRAN code to corresponding C++ code.I am not aware of FORTRAN syntax" ( spotted in the C++/CLI forum )
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Yes, I certainly expected some sort of message to tell me what was going wrong, is the core concern.
Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ "I am working on a project that will convert a FORTRAN code to corresponding C++ code.I am not aware of FORTRAN syntax" ( spotted in the C++/CLI forum )
Vista is sounding more and more like a wife (the bad kind) everyday. Silent failure. You have to dig to find out what you did wrong.
regards, Paul Watson Ireland & South Africa
Shog9 wrote:
And with that, Paul closed his browser, sipped his herbal tea, fixed the flower in his hair, and smiled brightly at the multitude of cute, furry animals flocking around the grassy hillside where he sat coding Ruby on his Mac...
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Hmmmm.... IE crashes and blames Flash, people download Silverlight....
Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ "I am working on a project that will convert a FORTRAN code to corresponding C++ code.I am not aware of FORTRAN syntax" ( spotted in the C++/CLI forum )
Silverlight crashes Firefox. Firefox blames Silverlight. People switch to Internet Explorer. OMG. The plans for world domination, revealed!
regards, Paul Watson Ireland & South Africa
Shog9 wrote:
And with that, Paul closed his browser, sipped his herbal tea, fixed the flower in his hair, and smiled brightly at the multitude of cute, furry animals flocking around the grassy hillside where he sat coding Ruby on his Mac...
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Hmmmm.... IE crashes and blames Flash, people download Silverlight....
Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ "I am working on a project that will convert a FORTRAN code to corresponding C++ code.I am not aware of FORTRAN syntax" ( spotted in the C++/CLI forum )
It's called innovation ;P
only two letters away from being an asset
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Yeah, I see that Flash is the issue. However, it's not the only program that does it. I'm unconvinced that there isn't some underlying issue, even if it's not just Vista compatibility issues causing some programs to crash and silently disappear.
Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ "I am working on a project that will convert a FORTRAN code to corresponding C++ code.I am not aware of FORTRAN syntax" ( spotted in the C++/CLI forum )
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For a while I thought I was just going mad, but I'm now certain. Vista, at times, just closes programs without telling me why. I know for sure, because this time it was the IE instance I had CP and my mail running in. IE would prompt to ask if you want all tabs closed, and I definately did not see that, so there's no way I clicked it by accident. It's just gone. I guess IE was the weakest link. I can buy into that.
Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ "I am working on a project that will convert a FORTRAN code to corresponding C++ code.I am not aware of FORTRAN syntax" ( spotted in the C++/CLI forum )
Christian Graus wrote:
For a while I thought I was just going mad, but I'm now certain.
... so now you're certain you're mad? ;P
Cheers, विक्रम
Be yourself, no matter what they say. - Sting, Englishman in New York.
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"Faulting application iexplore.exe, version 7.0.6000.16512, time stamp 0x46807103, faulting module Flash9c.ocx, version 9.0.45.0, time stamp 0x45db8560, exception code 0xc0000005, fault offset 0x00187d1b, process id 0xb60, application start time 0x01c7f4563ebaffcb." It was Flash. The other app I noticed disappear doesn't have an entry, but this explains where IE went. Funny, unless some CP ads were Flash, I didn't have a site with Flash open.
Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ "I am working on a project that will convert a FORTRAN code to corresponding C++ code.I am not aware of FORTRAN syntax" ( spotted in the C++/CLI forum )
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"Faulting application iexplore.exe, version 7.0.6000.16512, time stamp 0x46807103, faulting module Flash9c.ocx, version 9.0.45.0, time stamp 0x45db8560, exception code 0xc0000005, fault offset 0x00187d1b, process id 0xb60, application start time 0x01c7f4563ebaffcb." It was Flash. The other app I noticed disappear doesn't have an entry, but this explains where IE went. Funny, unless some CP ads were Flash, I didn't have a site with Flash open.
Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ "I am working on a project that will convert a FORTRAN code to corresponding C++ code.I am not aware of FORTRAN syntax" ( spotted in the C++/CLI forum )
Current version is 9.0.47.0. Flash regularly has security issues, so you should stay on top of it. I don't think Windows Vista has any 'silently kill application on error' options - you should have seen the 'preparing error report' dialog even if it was a DEP issue. There's a 'problem reports' centre somewhere in Control Panel to allow you to check for solutions which allows the report upload to be deferred (unlike the XP version which required you to be online when the problem occurred). Some devious ISVs are changing the unhandled exception filter and silently exiting, rather than allowing an error report to be prepared, however. I'm sure I read somewhere that some common plugin was doing that, but I can't recall if it was Flash or QuickTime or what.
Stability. What an interesting concept. -- Chris Maunder
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Christian Graus wrote:
For a while I thought I was just going mad, but I'm now certain.
... so now you're certain you're mad? ;P
Cheers, विक्रम
Be yourself, no matter what they say. - Sting, Englishman in New York.
he claims i suffer from delusions yet i'm so confident i'm sane it can't be an optical illusion so how can you explain shadows in the rain whoaaa
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Silverlight crashes Firefox. Firefox blames Silverlight. People switch to Internet Explorer. OMG. The plans for world domination, revealed!
regards, Paul Watson Ireland & South Africa
Shog9 wrote:
And with that, Paul closed his browser, sipped his herbal tea, fixed the flower in his hair, and smiled brightly at the multitude of cute, furry animals flocking around the grassy hillside where he sat coding Ruby on his Mac...
*grin* looks like it's the day for conspiracy theories that are without merit...
Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ "I am working on a project that will convert a FORTRAN code to corresponding C++ code.I am not aware of FORTRAN syntax" ( spotted in the C++/CLI forum )
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For a while I thought I was just going mad, but I'm now certain. Vista, at times, just closes programs without telling me why. I know for sure, because this time it was the IE instance I had CP and my mail running in. IE would prompt to ask if you want all tabs closed, and I definately did not see that, so there's no way I clicked it by accident. It's just gone. I guess IE was the weakest link. I can buy into that.
Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ "I am working on a project that will convert a FORTRAN code to corresponding C++ code.I am not aware of FORTRAN syntax" ( spotted in the C++/CLI forum )
I recently tried (again) to make Vista my main OS. I put off stuff that needed XP (CE Platform Builder 5.0, remote debugging of a CE app... all MS products, by the way) and made it a couple weeks. I finally had to reboot to XP to get something done, and it felt like I doubled my processor speed and RAM. Even the apps that "work" under Vista are much slower. There are parts of Vista that I like. Even UAC has grown on me as I setup a proper admin account and a user account. But it is surprisingly unsuitable as a replacement for XP. As a new OS, with no legacy strings attached it's not bad, but I feel like if I'm going to put myself through this much transitional pain, I might as well just get a mac with OSX.
Faith is a fine invention For gentlemen who see; But microscopes are prudent In an emergency! -Emily Dickinson
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At least you could install Flash, I've been trying out Vista and Adobe said it didn't support x64 OSs (although that was perhaps Shockwave rather than Flash).
I just installed Flash on Vista x64 two days ago... That said, i'm now regretting it; really depressing how much Flash ads drag down a fast new machine. :(
every night, i kneel at the foot of my bed and thank the Great Overseeing Politicians for protecting my freedoms by reducing their number, as if they were deer in a state park. -- Chris Losinger, Online Poker Players?
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Current version is 9.0.47.0. Flash regularly has security issues, so you should stay on top of it. I don't think Windows Vista has any 'silently kill application on error' options - you should have seen the 'preparing error report' dialog even if it was a DEP issue. There's a 'problem reports' centre somewhere in Control Panel to allow you to check for solutions which allows the report upload to be deferred (unlike the XP version which required you to be online when the problem occurred). Some devious ISVs are changing the unhandled exception filter and silently exiting, rather than allowing an error report to be prepared, however. I'm sure I read somewhere that some common plugin was doing that, but I can't recall if it was Flash or QuickTime or what.
Stability. What an interesting concept. -- Chris Maunder
Mike Dimmick wrote:
I'm sure I read somewhere that some common plugin was doing that, but I can't recall if it was Flash or QuickTime or what.
every night, i kneel at the foot of my bed and thank the Great Overseeing Politicians for protecting my freedoms by reducing their number, as if they were deer in a state park. -- Chris Losinger, Online Poker Players?
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I recently tried (again) to make Vista my main OS. I put off stuff that needed XP (CE Platform Builder 5.0, remote debugging of a CE app... all MS products, by the way) and made it a couple weeks. I finally had to reboot to XP to get something done, and it felt like I doubled my processor speed and RAM. Even the apps that "work" under Vista are much slower. There are parts of Vista that I like. Even UAC has grown on me as I setup a proper admin account and a user account. But it is surprisingly unsuitable as a replacement for XP. As a new OS, with no legacy strings attached it's not bad, but I feel like if I'm going to put myself through this much transitional pain, I might as well just get a mac with OSX.
Faith is a fine invention For gentlemen who see; But microscopes are prudent In an emergency! -Emily Dickinson
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I recently tried (again) to make Vista my main OS. I put off stuff that needed XP (CE Platform Builder 5.0, remote debugging of a CE app... all MS products, by the way) and made it a couple weeks. I finally had to reboot to XP to get something done, and it felt like I doubled my processor speed and RAM. Even the apps that "work" under Vista are much slower. There are parts of Vista that I like. Even UAC has grown on me as I setup a proper admin account and a user account. But it is surprisingly unsuitable as a replacement for XP. As a new OS, with no legacy strings attached it's not bad, but I feel like if I'm going to put myself through this much transitional pain, I might as well just get a mac with OSX.
Faith is a fine invention For gentlemen who see; But microscopes are prudent In an emergency! -Emily Dickinson
David Kentley wrote:
I might as well just get a mac with OSX
As one sheep bleeting to another: baaaah, do it. (Actually, seeing as you do remote debugging of CE apps, you might not get on well with Mac OS X :) .)
regards, Paul Watson Ireland & South Africa
Shog9 wrote:
And with that, Paul closed his browser, sipped his herbal tea, fixed the flower in his hair, and smiled brightly at the multitude of cute, furry animals flocking around the grassy hillside where he sat coding Ruby on his Mac...
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David Kentley wrote:
I might as well just get a mac with OSX
As one sheep bleeting to another: baaaah, do it. (Actually, seeing as you do remote debugging of CE apps, you might not get on well with Mac OS X :) .)
regards, Paul Watson Ireland & South Africa
Shog9 wrote:
And with that, Paul closed his browser, sipped his herbal tea, fixed the flower in his hair, and smiled brightly at the multitude of cute, furry animals flocking around the grassy hillside where he sat coding Ruby on his Mac...
Paul Watson wrote:
Actually, seeing as you do remote debugging of CE apps, you might not get on well with Mac OS X
Well, I suspect it would work just as well under OSX as it does under Vista. That is to say, not at all. My next laptop for home will probably be a mac. My wife nearly fainted when I told her that.
Faith is a fine invention For gentlemen who see; But microscopes are prudent In an emergency! -Emily Dickinson