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  • _ _Damian S_

    "Not too thrilled" = "a bit upset" = "not very happy" = "why the hell are they updating my computer without my permission when I have turned automatic updates off". Hope that clarifies it for you. -- modified at 0:14 Thursday 13th September, 2007 Just fixed up a missing t

    ------------------------------------------- Don't walk in front of me, I may not follow; Don't walk behind me, I may not lead; Just bugger off and leave me alone!!

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    Fernando A Gomez F
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    :-O Thanks Well, I guess everyday I can learn something new about English


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      :-O Thanks Well, I guess everyday I can learn something new about English


      Hope is the negation of reality - Raistlin Majere

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      _Damian S_
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      No worries... if you really want to learn some English, google "Australian Slang"... there are some pearlers in there!! "pearler" = "cracker" = "ripper" = "excellent ones"

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        Can I least request that Windows use protection? :)

        ¡El diablo está en mis pantalones! ¡Mire, mire! Real Mentats use only 100% pure, unfooled around with Sapho Juice(tm)! SELECT * FROM User WHERE Clue > 0 0 rows returned Save an Orange - Use the VCF! VCF Blog

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        Patrick Etc
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        Jim Crafton wrote:

        Can I least request that Windows use protection?

        "Windows Update is trying to rape you. Cancel or Allow?" :cool:

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          No worries... if you really want to learn some English, google "Australian Slang"... there are some pearlers in there!! "pearler" = "cracker" = "ripper" = "excellent ones"

          ------------------------------------------- Don't walk in front of me, I may not follow; Don't walk behind me, I may not lead; Just bugger off and leave me alone!!

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          Lost User
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          _Damian S_ wrote:

          "pearler" = "cracker" = "ripper" = "excellent ones"

          The cat's arse. I don't know how a cat's arse ever got to represent that what is really good, but I love the saying anyway.

          Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash One Fine Saturday. 24/04/2004

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            _Damian S_ wrote:

            "pearler" = "cracker" = "ripper" = "excellent ones"

            The cat's arse. I don't know how a cat's arse ever got to represent that what is really good, but I love the saying anyway.

            Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash One Fine Saturday. 24/04/2004

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            _Damian S_
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            Duck's nuts...

            ------------------------------------------- Don't walk in front of me, I may not follow; Don't walk behind me, I may not lead; Just bugger off and leave me alone!!

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              Jim Crafton wrote:

              I've used it for years and have yet to understand the logic behind where most of the files are stored.

              Agree 110%. I've been "experimenting" for years on and off with various flavors of Linux and I don't have a clue as where to find most files. Sad really. I'm old enough to think "Wow, I need to get with the times", yet young enough to think "This is ridiculous". It's not a good time to me 40 something and in to software. To top it all off, the wife's 4 year old Compaq notebook is toast and I'm seriously considering an Apple MacBook as a replacement. Talk about culture shock! :-D

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              blirp
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              Mike Mullikin wrote:

              To top it all off, the wife's 4 year old Compaq notebook is toast and I'm seriously considering an Apple MacBook as a replacement. Talk about culture shock!

              That's not a culture shock... OS X is Unix too ... :*) M.

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              • J Jim Crafton

                Well Windows is hardly alone in that dept - unix is no different, I've used it for years and have yet to understand the logic behind where most of the files are stored.

                ¡El diablo está en mis pantalones! ¡Mire, mire! Real Mentats use only 100% pure, unfooled around with Sapho Juice(tm)! SELECT * FROM User WHERE Clue > 0 0 rows returned Save an Orange - Use the VCF! VCF Blog

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                Jim Crafton wrote:

                unix is no different, I've used it for years and have yet to understand the logic behind where most of the files are stored.

                There are fifty versions of file/directory logic in nix. Like a bunch of monkeys got together and couldn't agree on where to store files so they all went off and did their own thing. I've given up caring where apps put their files on our Ubuntu and Solaris servers. Same with Mac OS X actually, I just bother anymore. It gets really annoying when someone else comes along and installs a new version of, say, Ruby and you end up with two versions of Ruby installed at the same time. Run Ruby as root and you get X.X.X, run it as another user and you get Y.Y.Y. Argh! Anyway.

                regards, Paul Watson Ireland & South Africa

                Shog9 wrote:

                And with that, Paul closed his browser, sipped his herbal tea, fixed the flower in his hair, and smiled brightly at the multitude of cute, furry animals flocking around the grassy hillside where he sat coding Ruby on his Mac...

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                  ...fetching and installing some updates without end users' consent. Story here[^] "Windows Secrets discovered that Windows had updated files even with automatic update turned off. By comparison, eWEEK Labs found that several Windows computers set to automatically download and manually install had applied updates without end user consent." If I were a corporate IT guru, I would not be too pleased. :mad: As a home user I'm not too thrilled. :~ :| Thoughts?

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                  Mike Mullikin wrote:

                  Thoughts?

                  I'm happy to still be using W2K at home. It reaaly sucks. Now there is no way we can trust MS.


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                    Jim Crafton wrote:

                    Can I least request that Windows use protection?

                    "Windows Update is trying to rape you. Cancel or Allow?" :cool:

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                    Cancel Are you sure? Yes. Why?


                    Last modified: after originally posted --


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                      Jim Crafton wrote:

                      unix is no different, I've used it for years and have yet to understand the logic behind where most of the files are stored.

                      There are fifty versions of file/directory logic in nix. Like a bunch of monkeys got together and couldn't agree on where to store files so they all went off and did their own thing. I've given up caring where apps put their files on our Ubuntu and Solaris servers. Same with Mac OS X actually, I just bother anymore. It gets really annoying when someone else comes along and installs a new version of, say, Ruby and you end up with two versions of Ruby installed at the same time. Run Ruby as root and you get X.X.X, run it as another user and you get Y.Y.Y. Argh! Anyway.

                      regards, Paul Watson Ireland & South Africa

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                      And with that, Paul closed his browser, sipped his herbal tea, fixed the flower in his hair, and smiled brightly at the multitude of cute, furry animals flocking around the grassy hillside where he sat coding Ruby on his Mac...

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                      Pete OHanlon
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                      Aah - this is why you're supposed to base profiles off common profiles. Well, that's the theory - it's a shame that it doesn't work out like that in practice.

                      Deja View - the feeling that you've seen this post before.

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                        ...fetching and installing some updates without end users' consent. Story here[^] "Windows Secrets discovered that Windows had updated files even with automatic update turned off. By comparison, eWEEK Labs found that several Windows computers set to automatically download and manually install had applied updates without end user consent." If I were a corporate IT guru, I would not be too pleased. :mad: As a home user I'm not too thrilled. :~ :| Thoughts?

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                        You know what WU (on Windows Vista) done once to me? I had automatic updates turned on. I started work in the morning as usual and Windows has notified me it needed to restart because of the new updates that were installed. But it gave me an option to postpone the restart which I used of course (something like 'remind me in 4hrs') because I was in the middle of some work. And it never asked again, after a few hours it restarted my system automatically! I had Visual Studio open with unsaved changes, browser windows and so on. It just began the shutdown process and rebooted my computer! :wtf: Ever since I have WU set to manual installation of updates... Regards, Pawel Krakowiak

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                          _Damian S_ wrote:

                          "pearler" = "cracker" = "ripper" = "excellent ones"

                          The cat's arse. I don't know how a cat's arse ever got to represent that what is really good, but I love the saying anyway.

                          Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash One Fine Saturday. 24/04/2004

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                          Your obsession with feline rear ends is... er... :~

                          Visit http://www.readytogiveup.com/[^] and do something special today.

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                            Jim Crafton wrote:

                            Can I least request that Windows use protection?

                            "Windows Update is trying to rape you. Cancel or Allow?" :cool:

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                            Rajesh R Subramanian
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                            It'd rather be: "Windows update is gonna rape ya! Use protection (Not suggested)"?


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                              Jim Crafton wrote:

                              unix is no different, I've used it for years and have yet to understand the logic behind where most of the files are stored.

                              There are fifty versions of file/directory logic in nix. Like a bunch of monkeys got together and couldn't agree on where to store files so they all went off and did their own thing. I've given up caring where apps put their files on our Ubuntu and Solaris servers. Same with Mac OS X actually, I just bother anymore. It gets really annoying when someone else comes along and installs a new version of, say, Ruby and you end up with two versions of Ruby installed at the same time. Run Ruby as root and you get X.X.X, run it as another user and you get Y.Y.Y. Argh! Anyway.

                              regards, Paul Watson Ireland & South Africa

                              Shog9 wrote:

                              And with that, Paul closed his browser, sipped his herbal tea, fixed the flower in his hair, and smiled brightly at the multitude of cute, furry animals flocking around the grassy hillside where he sat coding Ruby on his Mac...

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                              No, no, no, that's what makes Unix so wonderful. Seriously. I would kill for softlinks in MS anything. Being able to have multiple installations of a product and switch them in and out with a remap or an environment variable is something I desperately miss. Now, I have to predicate my comments on the fact that I used real Unix releases: HPUX, AIX, Solaris (ducking). Not much time on Linux. I do admit that having a happy unix admin who doesn't coordinate can result in confusion....

                              Charlie Gilley Will program for food... Whoever said children were cheaper by the dozen... lied. Overheard in a cubicle: "A project is just a bug under development." Seeking to rise above the intelligence of a one eared rabbit... Caught in a vortex of weirdness...

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                                I suspected this for ages. They also won't give you anything if you haven't installed the thing that kills windows if it thinks it's copied.

                                Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ "I am working on a project that will convert a FORTRAN code to corresponding C++ code.I am not aware of FORTRAN syntax" ( spotted in the C++/CLI forum )

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                                here's the part that annoys me about this little feature of windows update - XP Home allows you to install it, and will give you up to 30 days to register. Windows update will not update anything until you do. Somewhat of a catch-22 in my opinion...

                                Charlie Gilley Will program for food... Whoever said children were cheaper by the dozen... lied. Overheard in a cubicle: "A project is just a bug under development." Seeking to rise above the intelligence of a one eared rabbit... Caught in a vortex of weirdness...

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                                • P Pawel Krakowiak

                                  You know what WU (on Windows Vista) done once to me? I had automatic updates turned on. I started work in the morning as usual and Windows has notified me it needed to restart because of the new updates that were installed. But it gave me an option to postpone the restart which I used of course (something like 'remind me in 4hrs') because I was in the middle of some work. And it never asked again, after a few hours it restarted my system automatically! I had Visual Studio open with unsaved changes, browser windows and so on. It just began the shutdown process and rebooted my computer! :wtf: Ever since I have WU set to manual installation of updates... Regards, Pawel Krakowiak

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                                  WhiteSpy
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                                  Makes you wonder if SkyNet could be come a reality doesn't it? All those computers out there just waiting to become part of a larger system.:)

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                                  • J Jim Crafton

                                    I wonder. I have WU turned off completely. I justed checked the files mentioned in the article and they are all at 7.0.6000.374 NOT 7.0.6000.381 as the article suggests is happening. Not sure why this is though.

                                    ¡El diablo está en mis pantalones! ¡Mire, mire! Real Mentats use only 100% pure, unfooled around with Sapho Juice(tm)! SELECT * FROM User WHERE Clue > 0 0 rows returned Save an Orange - Use the VCF! VCF Blog

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                                    I think they're basing their argument on the Automatic Updates service being started, without realising that since XP SP2 (and possibly before), the Windows Update/Microsoft Update websites use that service to actually update the system. Problems in the interaction between the browser and that service explain why you can't use 'Run As' to run Internet Explorer as an administrator, if logged in as a standard user, to actually use Windows Update. An example of their cluelessness: "Not long ago, another Windows component, svchost.exe, was causing problems with Windows Update, as last reported on June 21 in the Windows Secrets Newsletter." svchost.exe is just a host process - it doesn't have any actual capabilities of its own. It simply hosts services implemented as DLLs so they can share a process, in order to reduce the process count. One svchost.exe process (the one with the '-k netsvcs' parameter) hosts the Automatic Updates service along with 25 other services, on my machine. So what they really meant was that the Automatic Updates service had detection logic bugs which caused heavy CPU usage in one of its worker threads.

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                                    • R Rob Graham

                                      Don't automatically download. That's like spreading your legs but not anticipating penetration.

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                                      snowlin
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                                      Rob Graham wrote:

                                      Don't automatically download. That's like spreading your legs but not anticipating penetration.

                                      Ack!! Did you really have to gothere?:sigh:

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                                        _Damian S_ wrote:

                                        "pearler" = "cracker" = "ripper" = "excellent ones"

                                        The cat's arse. I don't know how a cat's arse ever got to represent that what is really good, but I love the saying anyway.

                                        Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash One Fine Saturday. 24/04/2004

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                                        Cat's ass is actually quite a common saying all over north america as well, or at least it was a while back. I guess it's a more vulgar way of saying cat's meow which is a pretty widespread term going back ages.


                                        "I don't want more choice. I just want better things!" - Edina Monsoon

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                                          Your obsession with feline rear ends is... er... :~

                                          Visit http://www.readytogiveup.com/[^] and do something special today.

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                                          Member 96
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                                          Hot and bothering to a tigress? ;)


                                          "I don't want more choice. I just want better things!" - Edina Monsoon

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