Just lazy or no time?
-
I only visit Code Project from time to time nowadays but a couple of years ago when I did more (C++) programming, I got plenty of useful information from the articles hosted here. However, I only asked a question once or twice in the forums when I was stuck and couldn't get the info from Google or MSDN. I noticed in the VC++ forum (might be the same in other forums) that people are asking *very* basic questions frequently, stuff that one could easily find in books, MSDN or Google. Also, some guys seem to think that they should be able to write advanced code without even having basic knowledge of the language they are using. I'm curious, is this just just lazyness or are these guys under so much pressure that they don't have time to research properly or learn the basics first? Michael
Michael H. Schubert wrote:
I noticed in the VC++ forum (might be the same in other forums) that people are asking *very* basic questions frequently, stuff that one could easily find in books, MSDN or Google. Also, some guys seem to think that they should be able to write advanced code without even having basic knowledge of the language they are using.
All unmoderated forums and discussion groups are like that. If you want a place with high quality discussions on C++, see the comp.lang.c++.moderated news group (a Google interface to the group)[^]
-
Yes, it was obvious that you were trying (quite unsuccessfully) to be witty. Even Captain See Sharp is better at that than you.
just call me Dutch Oven - Shog9, baffled by the term "Dunning Kruger"
Yes, i suppose i do need to up the usage of "pimp" in my posts. BTW - love the new sig. Makes me feel all warm and fuzzy...
You must be careful in the forest Broken glass and rusty nails If you're to bring back something for us I have bullets for sale...
-
Yes, i suppose i do need to up the usage of "pimp" in my posts. BTW - love the new sig. Makes me feel all warm and fuzzy...
You must be careful in the forest Broken glass and rusty nails If you're to bring back something for us I have bullets for sale...
-
Isn't it ironic that you were scolding jason_lakewhitney for getting sucked into an argument with me the other day?
just call me Dutch Oven - Shog9, baffled by the term "Dunning Kruger"
Naw, that would only be ironic if we were arguing. My graceful acceptance of your gushing admiration is slightly surprising, but... well, we already discussed that.
You must be careful in the forest Broken glass and rusty nails If you're to bring back something for us I have bullets for sale...
-
Naw, that would only be ironic if we were arguing. My graceful acceptance of your gushing admiration is slightly surprising, but... well, we already discussed that.
You must be careful in the forest Broken glass and rusty nails If you're to bring back something for us I have bullets for sale...
-
The 'quality' of the questions in the C++ forum has steadily gone downhill. The number of homework questions and 'I need the source code for Microsoft Excel' requests have risen quite a bit. As others have mentioned, it appears there are a lot of very junior or poorly trained programmers being dumped into projects with significant technical challenges. Chris's guidelines at the top of the forum are ignored :(.
Software Zen:
delete this;The quality of questions in all of the forums has steadily gone downhill.
Scott.
—In just two days, tomorrow will be yesterday. [Forum Guidelines] [Articles] [Blog]
-
You replied to my troll post. You told him to stop replying to my troll post.
just call me Dutch Oven - Shog9, baffled by the term "Dunning Kruger"
-
I only visit Code Project from time to time nowadays but a couple of years ago when I did more (C++) programming, I got plenty of useful information from the articles hosted here. However, I only asked a question once or twice in the forums when I was stuck and couldn't get the info from Google or MSDN. I noticed in the VC++ forum (might be the same in other forums) that people are asking *very* basic questions frequently, stuff that one could easily find in books, MSDN or Google. Also, some guys seem to think that they should be able to write advanced code without even having basic knowledge of the language they are using. I'm curious, is this just just lazyness or are these guys under so much pressure that they don't have time to research properly or learn the basics first? Michael
It's the same in the other forums as well. I don't know if it's laziness or not, but it seems that the majority of the questions come from people who don't have the faintest idea of how to program (what are traditionally called "monkey programmers", in the negative sense of that term) trying to pass themselves off as professional programmers and getting lost in the basics of language syntax and OOP concepts. There was a long discussion in the lounge about this not too long ago (The code monkeys are invading![^] A similar trend is occuring with people thinking that earning a Microsoft Certification proves they know how to program and think that since they've been "programming" for 6 months to a year they should get their certification...except they don't have a clue which certification to get or how to go about getting any of the relevant information.
Scott.
—In just two days, tomorrow will be yesterday. [Forum Guidelines] [Articles] [Blog]
-
I only visit Code Project from time to time nowadays but a couple of years ago when I did more (C++) programming, I got plenty of useful information from the articles hosted here. However, I only asked a question once or twice in the forums when I was stuck and couldn't get the info from Google or MSDN. I noticed in the VC++ forum (might be the same in other forums) that people are asking *very* basic questions frequently, stuff that one could easily find in books, MSDN or Google. Also, some guys seem to think that they should be able to write advanced code without even having basic knowledge of the language they are using. I'm curious, is this just just lazyness or are these guys under so much pressure that they don't have time to research properly or learn the basics first? Michael
You can't rule out a combination of lazy, lack of time and rampant stupidity. That's a powerful combination that we should be able to harness so that it serves some purpose other than instilling the overriding urge to hunt the poster down and prevent them from polluting the gene pool in any way.
Deja View - the feeling that you've seen this post before.
-
And what, exactly, do you think you're doing?
You must be careful in the forest Broken glass and rusty nails If you're to bring back something for us I have bullets for sale...
Nice way to spend a Sunday, trolling for trolls. :)
Gary Kirkham Forever Forgiven and Alive in the Spirit He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose. - Jim Elliot Me blog, You read
-
Nice way to spend a Sunday, trolling for trolls. :)
Gary Kirkham Forever Forgiven and Alive in the Spirit He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose. - Jim Elliot Me blog, You read
-
I thought of you the other day while i was conjuring up demons and blaspheming the Holy Spirit.
just call me Dutch Oven - Shog9, baffled by the term "Dunning Kruger"
INITCOMMONCONTROLSEX wrote:
conjuring up demons
Oh thats sweet, did you have fun.
God Bless, Jason
I am not perfect but I try to be better than those before me. So those who come after me will be better than I am. -
It's called evolution. Give it time. They'll be dead soon (from the career perspective) and then things will get better. Yes, as the global economy emerges we are seeing a lot of this. Outsourcing is the biggest problem and India is the epicenter of it. India has some fantastic talent and the huge emergence of outsourcing there has allowed a lot of lousy developers to find work just to meet the demand. But in conversations I have had with Indians and even Chinese they are starting to get a better grip on those types of developers and they are starting to refine the quality/quantity of work coming out of India/China. We are in a state of flux right now where some very high end outsourcing companies in India are trimming the fat which is allowing those under qualified workers a shot at trying to grab smaller projects on their own. I get calls from them weekly. In time this will flatten out and things should get better here. In general quality developers are going to be in short supply around the world soon and that will make life easier on all of us.
-
I only visit Code Project from time to time nowadays but a couple of years ago when I did more (C++) programming, I got plenty of useful information from the articles hosted here. However, I only asked a question once or twice in the forums when I was stuck and couldn't get the info from Google or MSDN. I noticed in the VC++ forum (might be the same in other forums) that people are asking *very* basic questions frequently, stuff that one could easily find in books, MSDN or Google. Also, some guys seem to think that they should be able to write advanced code without even having basic knowledge of the language they are using. I'm curious, is this just just lazyness or are these guys under so much pressure that they don't have time to research properly or learn the basics first? Michael
Michael H. Schubert wrote:
I'm curious, is this just just lazyness or are these guys under so much pressure that they don't have time to research properly or learn the basics first?
I can't say exactly what it is. But the problem is widespread. I've been interviewing people for the past two months and the number of people that can't answer basic questions is amazing. A SQL Expert wasn't able to write a SELECT statement joining two tables together. Another guy who had supposedly done a lot of OO couldn't comprehend a simple three class UML diagram. And don't get me started on the technical test we put to people. We sit them down in front of Visual Studio so they are in as natural an environment as possible. We then ask them to write a simple program that gets data and puts it on the screen. The form the data takes is up to them, text file, XML file, or a couple of tables in a database. We want to see how they structure an application. They can use C# or VB.NET (although they are told they will be expected to cross to C# if they don't already use it) The specification is sufficiently loose that they can play to their strengths - and that is what we want to see. However, I think at least a couple have shot themselves in the foot by trying to second guess what we'd like to see and going with that.
Upcoming FREE developer events: * Glasgow: db4o: An Embeddable Database Engine for Object-Oriented Environments, Mock Objects, SQL Server CLR Integration, Reporting Services ... My website
-
I can't remember the last time I posted a technical a question to a forum - I might have done it once or twice, but generally will just google the answer... I think it's inherant laziness on the part of the people who post the questions. They are so slack they won't even do a cursory search of the web before asking someone to complete their homework for them!!
------------------------------------------- Don't walk in front of me, I may not follow; Don't walk behind me, I may not lead; Just bugger off and leave me alone!!
_Damian S_ wrote:
I can't remember the last time I posted a technical a question to a forum - I might have done it once or twice, but generally will just google the answer...
Absolutely. These days I can get most stuff from searching the internet. It is probably once in a blue moon that I post a technical question on a forum.
Upcoming FREE developer events: * Glasgow: db4o: An Embeddable Database Engine for Object-Oriented Environments, Mock Objects, SQL Server CLR Integration, Reporting Services ... My website
-
I only visit Code Project from time to time nowadays but a couple of years ago when I did more (C++) programming, I got plenty of useful information from the articles hosted here. However, I only asked a question once or twice in the forums when I was stuck and couldn't get the info from Google or MSDN. I noticed in the VC++ forum (might be the same in other forums) that people are asking *very* basic questions frequently, stuff that one could easily find in books, MSDN or Google. Also, some guys seem to think that they should be able to write advanced code without even having basic knowledge of the language they are using. I'm curious, is this just just lazyness or are these guys under so much pressure that they don't have time to research properly or learn the basics first? Michael
-
I only visit Code Project from time to time nowadays but a couple of years ago when I did more (C++) programming, I got plenty of useful information from the articles hosted here. However, I only asked a question once or twice in the forums when I was stuck and couldn't get the info from Google or MSDN. I noticed in the VC++ forum (might be the same in other forums) that people are asking *very* basic questions frequently, stuff that one could easily find in books, MSDN or Google. Also, some guys seem to think that they should be able to write advanced code without even having basic knowledge of the language they are using. I'm curious, is this just just lazyness or are these guys under so much pressure that they don't have time to research properly or learn the basics first? Michael
Michael H. Schubert wrote:
I'm curious, is this just just lazyness or are these guys under so much pressure that they don't have time to research properly or learn the basics first?
Neither. It's stupidity, the continuing result of programming becoming more and more accessible to the masses, especially those in countries that are the destination of oursourcing. Does that remark seem prejudiced to you, or does it touch on the truth? Marc
-
INITCOMMONCONTROLSEX wrote:
conjuring up demons
Oh thats sweet, did you have fun.
God Bless, Jason
I am not perfect but I try to be better than those before me. So those who come after me will be better than I am.jason_lakewhitney wrote:
Oh thats sweet, did you have fun.
I haven't heard of that euphimism for masturbation before. Conjuring up demons just doesn't sound right.
Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash One Fine Saturday. 24/04/2004
-
jason_lakewhitney wrote:
Oh thats sweet, did you have fun.
I haven't heard of that euphimism for masturbation before. Conjuring up demons just doesn't sound right.
Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash One Fine Saturday. 24/04/2004
-
jason_lakewhitney wrote:
Oh thats sweet, did you have fun.
I haven't heard of that euphimism for masturbation before. Conjuring up demons just doesn't sound right.
Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash One Fine Saturday. 24/04/2004
:laugh:
Nobody can give you wiser advice than yourself. - Cicero .·´¯`·->ßRÅhmmÃ<-·´¯`·.