World Cup - Italian club cuts Ahn!!!
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Just when you think you've seen it all, an Italian club cut Ahn from their roster for the simple reason that he scored the winning goal against the Italian nationals! How outrageous can you get?! What was he supposed to do? Not make the goal? I can understand if he had cheated, but he did nothing but represent his country and score a winning goal. I would be terribly embarrassed if I was an Italian football fan about now. Here's the story: Angry Italian club owner cuts Ahn Cheers, Tom Archer Author - Inside C#, Visual C++.NET Bible
Well,I have to say sorry for that club,they say they are developed country and then they do these things.But I believe we shouldn't be sorry for that korean,Better teams will buy him for next season. ;) Mazy **"If I go crazy then will you still Call me Superman If I’m alive and well, will you be There holding my hand I’ll keep you by my side with My superhuman might Kryptonite"**Kryptonite-3 Doors Down
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Yep. I heard about the BBC's account. However, it was the club owner who stated "He was a phenomenon only when he played against Italy. I am a nationalist and I regard such behavior not only as an affront to Italian pride but also an offense to a country which two years ago opened its doors to him". He then added, "I have no intention of paying a salary to someone who has ruined Italian soccer." Ruined Italian soccer? Italian soccer is now ruined because one upstart country beat them? Hmmm. Doesn't say a whole lot about the state of their sport. Cheers, Tom Archer Author - Inside C#, Visual C++.NET Bible
I think that they let Ahn free because his contract is going to expire next month and he will ask for much more money. The owner of his club is famous for this kind of thinks. He's uses to fire trainers that didn't agree with him or players that ask for a raise. Now he has a chance to fire Ahn and to show himself on tvs and on the media as a fierce nationalist. He's good only in finding good players in foreign countries or italian minor leagues (he bring Nakata to italy), and his team is one of the most profitable of serie A. Ahn played less than half of the matches of his team (many times entering during the second half) and scored only 5 goals in 2 years, but I think he's a good player that can do very well in other italian or european teams. The defy against Korea lead to many stupid and even racist comments on italian media and I think that this is ashaming. I don't like to be called "macaroni" or asked about mafia when I'm in a foreign country and I'm sorry to see many italians doing the same against other people. -- Looking for a new screen-saver? Try FOYD: http://digilander.iol.it/FOYD
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The Koreans deserve that victory - they just played better than the so-called big names. Please can somebody tell the nationalist to use only Italian nationals for his club? Anyway, remind him that Ahn also has nationality, a Korean. Best regards, Paul. Paul Selormey, Bsc (Elect Eng), MSc (Mobile Communication) is currently Windows open source developer in Japan.
This is the biggest problem of european soccer: Noone is doing some own work with their own kids, everybody is 'buying' their players from elsewhere. => Look at the Brazilians, they play a really nice ball, thats a lot of love, not only the money.. That's just my 2 cents ! Olli
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This BBC Sports article paints this in another light. It says that the club booted the guy not because he beat Italy, but because of the comments he made after the game about Italian football. Personally, I can see the guy high on the rush of sending a 3-time world champion babbling some not-so-flattering comments about the rivals. History is always written by the victors :) In any case, I doubt he'll have problems finding employment now :-D ___________ Klaus [vbbox.com]
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Just when you think you've seen it all, an Italian club cut Ahn from their roster for the simple reason that he scored the winning goal against the Italian nationals! How outrageous can you get?! What was he supposed to do? Not make the goal? I can understand if he had cheated, but he did nothing but represent his country and score a winning goal. I would be terribly embarrassed if I was an Italian football fan about now. Here's the story: Angry Italian club owner cuts Ahn Cheers, Tom Archer Author - Inside C#, Visual C++.NET Bible
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This is the biggest problem of european soccer: Noone is doing some own work with their own kids, everybody is 'buying' their players from elsewhere. => Look at the Brazilians, they play a really nice ball, thats a lot of love, not only the money.. That's just my 2 cents ! Olli
Olli wrote: Noone is doing some own work with their own kids Not true in France: Teams have their formation centers, and their players are coming mostly of these centers (like Auxerre, Nantes...). These centers are efficient: quiet all senegalese players come from them :) And when the players become more confidents, they are bought by Italian, English, German or Spanish clubs. Olli wrote: Look at the Brazilians, they play a really nice ball, thats a lot of love, not only the money Yeah, that's why Ronaldo went to the Inter ;P Y'a cool jouer avec Maradona qui fait tourner gratos dans les vestiaires - Merci Maradona ! - Y'a pas d'quoi ! Ludwig Von 88, "Goal Di Pele"
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I think that they let Ahn free because his contract is going to expire next month and he will ask for much more money. The owner of his club is famous for this kind of thinks. He's uses to fire trainers that didn't agree with him or players that ask for a raise. Now he has a chance to fire Ahn and to show himself on tvs and on the media as a fierce nationalist. He's good only in finding good players in foreign countries or italian minor leagues (he bring Nakata to italy), and his team is one of the most profitable of serie A. Ahn played less than half of the matches of his team (many times entering during the second half) and scored only 5 goals in 2 years, but I think he's a good player that can do very well in other italian or european teams. The defy against Korea lead to many stupid and even racist comments on italian media and I think that this is ashaming. I don't like to be called "macaroni" or asked about mafia when I'm in a foreign country and I'm sorry to see many italians doing the same against other people. -- Looking for a new screen-saver? Try FOYD: http://digilander.iol.it/FOYD
Vuemme wrote: I think that this is ashaming You're right, he is stupid to make such comments. He's giving a bad image of Italian Football. That's true you were not helped by the referees, but IMHO the main error was made by Trapatoni: why did he change Del Pierro who was the best italian player on the field, instead of Totti, who played like a painter ? Totti was punished also because of his behaviour during the first round, when he got a yellow card for simulation (vs. Mexico ?). And you know how offsides are difficult to be judged.. So that's why I think the referee was not good, not that he was unfair. For example, he could have been much more severe on the several blows with the elbow the Italian players gave. Y'a cool jouer avec Maradona qui fait tourner gratos dans les vestiaires - Merci Maradona ! - Y'a pas d'quoi ! Ludwig Von 88, "Goal Di Pele"
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Vuemme wrote: I think that this is ashaming You're right, he is stupid to make such comments. He's giving a bad image of Italian Football. That's true you were not helped by the referees, but IMHO the main error was made by Trapatoni: why did he change Del Pierro who was the best italian player on the field, instead of Totti, who played like a painter ? Totti was punished also because of his behaviour during the first round, when he got a yellow card for simulation (vs. Mexico ?). And you know how offsides are difficult to be judged.. So that's why I think the referee was not good, not that he was unfair. For example, he could have been much more severe on the several blows with the elbow the Italian players gave. Y'a cool jouer avec Maradona qui fait tourner gratos dans les vestiaires - Merci Maradona ! - Y'a pas d'quoi ! Ludwig Von 88, "Goal Di Pele"
Karl wrote: You're right, he is stupid to make such comments. He's giving a bad image of Italian Football. And people making this sort of comment (and, even worse, racist comments) gave a bad image of Italy (I don't care much about it, I don't like to be judged as "italian" and I think it's stupid do judge someone by the place it came from...). Karl wrote: the main error was made by Trapatoni: why did he change Del Pierro who was the best italian player on the field, instead of Totti, who played like a painter ? Since the beginning of his career Trapattoni is used to remove an attacker and put in a defender or midfielder immediatly after his team scores a goal :) I think that the change didn't help much (even if "ringhio" Gattuso played well) because it give the idea that Trap and his time were afraid of the Koreans and that gave them much security to try to score. Karl wrote: I think the referee was not good, not that he was unfair. That's the same comment made by Tommasi that's is one of the most intelligent players around (and I'm not saying that because he plays in my favourite club :)). Mr. Moreno is not a good referee and a stadium with 70.000 supporters didn't help his self control. When our team loses it's difficult to find someone that admit that the opponents are better or, at least, played fair. It's simpler to think about some oscure plot and something like that... -- Looking for a new screen-saver? Try FOYD: http://digilander.iol.it/FOYD
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Karl wrote: You're right, he is stupid to make such comments. He's giving a bad image of Italian Football. And people making this sort of comment (and, even worse, racist comments) gave a bad image of Italy (I don't care much about it, I don't like to be judged as "italian" and I think it's stupid do judge someone by the place it came from...). Karl wrote: the main error was made by Trapatoni: why did he change Del Pierro who was the best italian player on the field, instead of Totti, who played like a painter ? Since the beginning of his career Trapattoni is used to remove an attacker and put in a defender or midfielder immediatly after his team scores a goal :) I think that the change didn't help much (even if "ringhio" Gattuso played well) because it give the idea that Trap and his time were afraid of the Koreans and that gave them much security to try to score. Karl wrote: I think the referee was not good, not that he was unfair. That's the same comment made by Tommasi that's is one of the most intelligent players around (and I'm not saying that because he plays in my favourite club :)). Mr. Moreno is not a good referee and a stadium with 70.000 supporters didn't help his self control. When our team loses it's difficult to find someone that admit that the opponents are better or, at least, played fair. It's simpler to think about some oscure plot and something like that... -- Looking for a new screen-saver? Try FOYD: http://digilander.iol.it/FOYD
Vuemme wrote: think it's stupid do judge someone by the place it came from Agreed. but it's hard to avoid stereotypes when talking about football :) Vuemme wrote: my favourite club I'm not sure, AS Roma ? Vuemme wrote: It's simpler to think about some oscure plot and something like that Sadly, it's probably something our two countries share :(( (we heard also harsh comments about the Mexican referee after France-Uruguay. BTW, it's funny how European teams are in anger with Central America referees: Italy with Equator, France with Mexico, Belgium with Jamaica... wait and see England-Brazil!) Y'a cool jouer avec Maradona qui fait tourner gratos dans les vestiaires - Merci Maradona ! - Y'a pas d'quoi ! Ludwig Von 88, "Goal Di Pele"
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Olli wrote: Noone is doing some own work with their own kids Not true in France: Teams have their formation centers, and their players are coming mostly of these centers (like Auxerre, Nantes...). These centers are efficient: quiet all senegalese players come from them :) And when the players become more confidents, they are bought by Italian, English, German or Spanish clubs. Olli wrote: Look at the Brazilians, they play a really nice ball, thats a lot of love, not only the money Yeah, that's why Ronaldo went to the Inter ;P Y'a cool jouer avec Maradona qui fait tourner gratos dans les vestiaires - Merci Maradona ! - Y'a pas d'quoi ! Ludwig Von 88, "Goal Di Pele"
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Just when you think you've seen it all, an Italian club cut Ahn from their roster for the simple reason that he scored the winning goal against the Italian nationals! How outrageous can you get?! What was he supposed to do? Not make the goal? I can understand if he had cheated, but he did nothing but represent his country and score a winning goal. I would be terribly embarrassed if I was an Italian football fan about now. Here's the story: Angry Italian club owner cuts Ahn Cheers, Tom Archer Author - Inside C#, Visual C++.NET Bible
<Paul being a racist bigot> They are Italians, what were you expecting? Clear, rational, logical thought? Pah! </Paul being a racist bigot> From the sounds of it the whole playing for a club vs. playing for your country war is just getting hotter. Here in SA we are having big problems with players (both in Soccer and Rugby) simply not pitching for practices or games because the overseas clubs simply have more money on offer. We had to splash the story across our front-pages to get our captain back from England to play in the African Cup. Were has "playing for your country is the biggest honour" thinking gone? regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass Cape Town, South Africa The greatest thing you'll ever learn is just to love, and to be loved in return - Moulin Rouge Tim Smith wrote: Over here in the third world of humor (a.k.a. BBC America), peterchen wrote: We should petition microsoft to a "target=_Paul" attribute.
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Just when you think you've seen it all, an Italian club cut Ahn from their roster for the simple reason that he scored the winning goal against the Italian nationals! How outrageous can you get?! What was he supposed to do? Not make the goal? I can understand if he had cheated, but he did nothing but represent his country and score a winning goal. I would be terribly embarrassed if I was an Italian football fan about now. Here's the story: Angry Italian club owner cuts Ahn Cheers, Tom Archer Author - Inside C#, Visual C++.NET Bible
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Karl wrote: Yeah, that's why Ronaldo went to the Inter Karl you're right, money moves the World, but as far as I'm concerned Brazil's prize for winning the World Cup is much lower than England's, Spain, Italy, etc. Cheers, - xico -
I suppose that winning a 5th Cup would be the greatest reward ever for every brazilian player :) it will by tough vs. England, they are really impressive this year, especially in the defensivve sector. Y'a cool jouer avec Maradona qui fait tourner gratos dans les vestiaires - Merci Maradona ! - Y'a pas d'quoi ! Ludwig Von 88, "Goal Di Pele"
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Just when you think you've seen it all, an Italian club cut Ahn from their roster for the simple reason that he scored the winning goal against the Italian nationals! How outrageous can you get?! What was he supposed to do? Not make the goal? I can understand if he had cheated, but he did nothing but represent his country and score a winning goal. I would be terribly embarrassed if I was an Italian football fan about now. Here's the story: Angry Italian club owner cuts Ahn Cheers, Tom Archer Author - Inside C#, Visual C++.NET Bible
Can't he sue for this???? I'm sure FIFA will have something to say about it... hopefully they'll slap a hefty fine on the Itialian club form them being so stupid and being sore loosers
"When a friend hurts us, we should write it down in the sand, where the winds of forgiveness get in charge of erasing it away, and when something great happens, we should engrave it in the stone of the memory of the heart, where no wind can erase it" Nish on life [methinks] "It's The Soapbox; topics are optional" Shog 9
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Just when you think you've seen it all, an Italian club cut Ahn from their roster for the simple reason that he scored the winning goal against the Italian nationals! How outrageous can you get?! What was he supposed to do? Not make the goal? I can understand if he had cheated, but he did nothing but represent his country and score a winning goal. I would be terribly embarrassed if I was an Italian football fan about now. Here's the story: Angry Italian club owner cuts Ahn Cheers, Tom Archer Author - Inside C#, Visual C++.NET Bible
"I have no intention of paying a salary to someone who has ruined Italian soccer." I'd love to have the power to ruin the skills of soccer players in an entire country... Ahn seems to have done it :-)
"When a friend hurts us, we should write it down in the sand, where the winds of forgiveness get in charge of erasing it away, and when something great happens, we should engrave it in the stone of the memory of the heart, where no wind can erase it" Nish on life [methinks] "It's The Soapbox; topics are optional" Shog 9
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I didn't include Columbia becuase in that case you're talking the mob. I'm talking here about what are supposed to be business people firing someone for representing his country. Cheers, Tom Archer Author - Inside C#, Visual C++.NET Bible
Tom Archer wrote: didn't include Columbia becuase in that case you're talking the mob I guess you're mentioning Colombia because of what happened with Andres Escobar after that last World Cup. Andres was shot in a fight with a drunk guy. It wasn't mob related. I know because I lived in Colombia at the time and followed the investigation.
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Tom Archer wrote: didn't include Columbia becuase in that case you're talking the mob I guess you're mentioning Colombia because of what happened with Andres Escobar after that last World Cup. Andres was shot in a fight with a drunk guy. It wasn't mob related. I know because I lived in Colombia at the time and followed the investigation.
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Checkout General Guidelines for C# Class ImplementationI stand corrected then. This is the main problem I have with the media. When the story first broke out, it was said that he was killed by the mob becuase of lost gambling money. Of course, once the investigation was finished the media didn't care to correct themselves as it was old news :mad: Cheers, Tom Archer Author - Inside C#, Visual C++.NET Bible
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I stand corrected then. This is the main problem I have with the media. When the story first broke out, it was said that he was killed by the mob becuase of lost gambling money. Of course, once the investigation was finished the media didn't care to correct themselves as it was old news :mad: Cheers, Tom Archer Author - Inside C#, Visual C++.NET Bible
Tom Archer wrote: Of course, once the investigation was finished the media didn't care to correct themselves as it was old news Tell me about it! They don't care about what happened, the only care about "news" and ratings.:mad:
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