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Paul Watson wrote:
Thousands of years? I don't think it is that old. Old English came first and even that isn't thousands of years old.
Languages have been evolving all the time. English HAS taken thousands of years of costruction just has humans have taken millions or billions of years of construction. It is just that at a certain point in the past it didn't exist yet. At a certain point in the past humans didn't exist either, but we evolved from things that did. English is also a grand amalgam of many languages including Latin, Greek, German, Dutch, Norse, Gaelic, French, and many others. Each of these languages has its own evolutionary path also. So, I would say that the English language as it exists is the product of thousands of years of linguistic evolution.
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Thank you Colin, for making the point I was about to make.:-D
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ChandraRam wrote:
Just as the language has changed from Shakesperean times to now, do you think txtspk will eventually replace English as we know it?
I hope not. It is a crude mechanism used by the lazy. I don't use txtspk even when texting.
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Colin Angus Mackay wrote:
I don't use txtspk even when texting
But you do use it when defining TXTSPK (Actually in capitals it looks like a unix command!)
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Paul Watson wrote:
Thousands of years? I don't think it is that old. Old English came first and even that isn't thousands of years old.
Languages have been evolving all the time. English HAS taken thousands of years of costruction just has humans have taken millions or billions of years of construction. It is just that at a certain point in the past it didn't exist yet. At a certain point in the past humans didn't exist either, but we evolved from things that did. English is also a grand amalgam of many languages including Latin, Greek, German, Dutch, Norse, Gaelic, French, and many others. Each of these languages has its own evolutionary path also. So, I would say that the English language as it exists is the product of thousands of years of linguistic evolution.
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Colin Angus Mackay wrote:
Languages have been evolving all the time. English HAS taken thousands of years of construction just has humans have taken millions or billions of years of construction. It is just that at a certain point in the past it didn't exist yet. At a certain point in the past humans didn't exist either, but we evolved from things that did.
Homo sapiens came into existence at a certain period. Before that it wasn't homo spaiens, it was something else. The "something else" contributed to homo sapiens but it wasn't homo sapiens. Same for English. It came into existence at a certain period and before that it didn't exist. We can't carpet bomb every language that contributed to English and call them English. English is on the cusp of a thousand years old. Not thousands of years. If people want to be dramatic and say "Thousands of years old!" then it needs to be thousands of years old, not one thousand and one years old. I just don't want people thinking English is some ancient language like Aramaic. People needn't be ignorant and arrogant about their language.
regards, Paul Watson Ireland & South Africa
Andy Brummer wrote:
Watson's law: As an online discussion of cars grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving the Bugatti Veyron approaches one.
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Paul Watson wrote:
Thousands of years? I don't think it is that old. Old English came first and even that isn't thousands of years old.
Languages have been evolving all the time. English HAS taken thousands of years of costruction just has humans have taken millions or billions of years of construction. It is just that at a certain point in the past it didn't exist yet. At a certain point in the past humans didn't exist either, but we evolved from things that did. English is also a grand amalgam of many languages including Latin, Greek, German, Dutch, Norse, Gaelic, French, and many others. Each of these languages has its own evolutionary path also. So, I would say that the English language as it exists is the product of thousands of years of linguistic evolution.
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Colin Angus Mackay wrote:
English is also a grand amalgam of many languages including Latin, Greek, German, Dutch, Norse, Gaelic, French, and many others. Each of these languages has its own evolutionary path also.
And didn't the speakers of those languages cringe when they heard the pro-English proto-English so abusing their pure and lovely languages?
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Colin Angus Mackay wrote:
I don't use txtspk even when texting
But you do use it when defining TXTSPK (Actually in capitals it looks like a unix command!)
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Dalek Dave wrote:
Actually in capitals it looks like a unix command!
Really? :~ Unix commands are lower case...
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ChandraRam wrote:
Just as the language has changed from Shakesperean times to now, do you think txtspk will eventually replace English as we know it?
I hope not. It is a crude mechanism used by the lazy. I don't use txtspk even when texting.
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No, it's actually much easier to let my phone's predictive text fill in the proper words.
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ChandraRam wrote:
Just as the language has changed from Shakesperean times to now, do you think txtspk will eventually replace English as we know it?
I hope not. It is a crude mechanism used by the lazy. I don't use txtspk even when texting.
Upcoming FREE developer events: * Glasgow: SQL Server Managed Objects AND Reporting Services ... My website
Is it really used by the lazy? I figured it was to shorten the language by shaving off some characters to fit more information into a short message.
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Dalek Dave wrote:
Actually in capitals it looks like a unix command!
Really? :~ Unix commands are lower case...
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You are of course quite right, my brain must have been on screen saver mode. Tell me what I mean? :)
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Just as the language has changed from Shakesperean times to now, do you think txtspk will eventually replace English as we know it? :)
i make it my duty to punch everyone i hear saying lol, wtf, or g2g. i seriously want these people dead. we invented the cell phone for a reason, and it sure as hell wasnt so we could revert back to instant messaging...
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You are of course quite right, my brain must have been on screen saver mode. Tell me what I mean? :)
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Well, I'm not a mind reader, but I think you meant environment variables. They are most often capitalized (like they are in Windows in fact). export VARIABLE=value or setenv VARIABLE value depending a little on your shell flavor...
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Colin Angus Mackay wrote:
English is also a grand amalgam of many languages including Latin, Greek, German, Dutch, Norse, Gaelic, French, and many others. Each of these languages has its own evolutionary path also.
And didn't the speakers of those languages cringe when they heard the pro-English proto-English so abusing their pure and lovely languages?
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Brady Kelly wrote:
And didn't the speakers of those languages cringe when they heard the pro-English so abusing their pure and lovely languages?
Por English and Proto English:-D
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Colin Angus Mackay wrote:
Languages have been evolving all the time. English HAS taken thousands of years of construction just has humans have taken millions or billions of years of construction. It is just that at a certain point in the past it didn't exist yet. At a certain point in the past humans didn't exist either, but we evolved from things that did.
Homo sapiens came into existence at a certain period. Before that it wasn't homo spaiens, it was something else. The "something else" contributed to homo sapiens but it wasn't homo sapiens. Same for English. It came into existence at a certain period and before that it didn't exist. We can't carpet bomb every language that contributed to English and call them English. English is on the cusp of a thousand years old. Not thousands of years. If people want to be dramatic and say "Thousands of years old!" then it needs to be thousands of years old, not one thousand and one years old. I just don't want people thinking English is some ancient language like Aramaic. People needn't be ignorant and arrogant about their language.
regards, Paul Watson Ireland & South Africa
Andy Brummer wrote:
Watson's law: As an online discussion of cars grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving the Bugatti Veyron approaches one.
Pedants Society member are we? (at this point you say "actually no its the Pedants Association") I think the guy was just trying to get across that its an old language rather than be historically accurate to the nearest fortnight. I could be wrong though :|
Apathy Rules - I suppose...
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Just as the language has changed from Shakesperean times to now, do you think txtspk will eventually replace English as we know it? :)
No. It isn't practical or even terribly useful outside of the narrow technically-constrained environment where it evolved. I've seen more fights than i care to think about arise due to its ambiguity. That's not to say English isn't changing - it changes all the time. But if you want to know how it's changing, go listen to the way people talk...
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Colin Angus Mackay wrote:
Languages have been evolving all the time. English HAS taken thousands of years of construction just has humans have taken millions or billions of years of construction. It is just that at a certain point in the past it didn't exist yet. At a certain point in the past humans didn't exist either, but we evolved from things that did.
Homo sapiens came into existence at a certain period. Before that it wasn't homo spaiens, it was something else. The "something else" contributed to homo sapiens but it wasn't homo sapiens. Same for English. It came into existence at a certain period and before that it didn't exist. We can't carpet bomb every language that contributed to English and call them English. English is on the cusp of a thousand years old. Not thousands of years. If people want to be dramatic and say "Thousands of years old!" then it needs to be thousands of years old, not one thousand and one years old. I just don't want people thinking English is some ancient language like Aramaic. People needn't be ignorant and arrogant about their language.
regards, Paul Watson Ireland & South Africa
Andy Brummer wrote:
Watson's law: As an online discussion of cars grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving the Bugatti Veyron approaches one.
Paul Watson wrote:
Homo sapiens
But we're actually Homo Sapien Sapien. And I don't like the fact that we're all bloody homo's.
Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash One Fine Saturday. 24/04/2004
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Paul Watson wrote:
Homo sapiens
But we're actually Homo Sapien Sapien. And I don't like the fact that we're all bloody homo's.
Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash One Fine Saturday. 24/04/2004
Don't worry Michael, men like us are surely of the pan paniscus species. We aren't no flaming homos. :rolleyes:
regards, Paul Watson Ireland & South Africa
Andy Brummer wrote:
Watson's law: As an online discussion of cars grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving the Bugatti Veyron approaches one.
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Paul Watson wrote:
Thousands of years? I don't think it is that old. Old English came first and even that isn't thousands of years old.
Languages have been evolving all the time. English HAS taken thousands of years of costruction just has humans have taken millions or billions of years of construction. It is just that at a certain point in the past it didn't exist yet. At a certain point in the past humans didn't exist either, but we evolved from things that did. English is also a grand amalgam of many languages including Latin, Greek, German, Dutch, Norse, Gaelic, French, and many others. Each of these languages has its own evolutionary path also. So, I would say that the English language as it exists is the product of thousands of years of linguistic evolution.
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On the topic.... I found out the other day, that the language I speak (basically my 1st tongue, english being my 2nd) and grew up with, happens to be the youngest language in existence[^]. (other than programming languages):)
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i make it my duty to punch everyone i hear saying lol, wtf, or g2g. i seriously want these people dead. we invented the cell phone for a reason, and it sure as hell wasnt so we could revert back to instant messaging...
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VonHagNDaz wrote:
i make it my duty to punch everyone i hear saying lol, wtf, or g2g. i seriously want these people dead.
Sometimes I feel the same about people who start sentence with lowercase letter, el ou el. ;P
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VonHagNDaz wrote:
i make it my duty to punch everyone i hear saying lol, wtf, or g2g. i seriously want these people dead.
Sometimes I feel the same about people who start sentence with lowercase letter, el ou el. ;P
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"Real men use mspaint for writing code and notepad for designing graphics." - Anna-Jayne Metcalfeits not my fault that programming has ruined my ability to capitalize. i could always type likeThis or strLikeThis, but its much faster to just go with all lower cases... :laugh:
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Pedants Society member are we? (at this point you say "actually no its the Pedants Association") I think the guy was just trying to get across that its an old language rather than be historically accurate to the nearest fortnight. I could be wrong though :|
Apathy Rules - I suppose...
Sure. I'm not a real pedant. I just dislike dramatising fact to get your point across. He tried to use "English is thousands of years old" to over-power other thoughts. "Java is used by billions of coders, you should use it too!" when in fact it is only millions of coders. etc.
regards, Paul Watson Ireland & South Africa
Andy Brummer wrote:
Watson's law: As an online discussion of cars grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving the Bugatti Veyron approaches one.
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Sure. I'm not a real pedant. I just dislike dramatising fact to get your point across. He tried to use "English is thousands of years old" to over-power other thoughts. "Java is used by billions of coders, you should use it too!" when in fact it is only millions of coders. etc.
regards, Paul Watson Ireland & South Africa
Andy Brummer wrote:
Watson's law: As an online discussion of cars grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving the Bugatti Veyron approaches one.
