Who bought MSDN Subscription?
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Ref : http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/subscriptions/bb841434.aspx Who can buy the MSDN subscription??? I mean, among the developers.. The salary range for developer in my area are between USD 1600 and 2000. (I know there are some developers who used to get around $100~$500 per month in some countries.) So, how can we buy this MSDN subscription ($1199)??
Visual Studio Professional Edition with MSDN Professional ($1,199)
Thanks and Regards, Michael Sync ( Blog: http://michaelsync.net)
As a salaried developer I expect my employer to buy the MSDN subscription. If I was independent, overheads like that would be worked into my rate, which would be significantly higher than my current salary. As it is, for side jobs I charge just less than twice the hourly equivalent of my salary. Except for pro-bonos.
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Michael Sync wrote:
So, how can we buy this MSDN subscription ($1199)??
I've registered for ISV which gets you the MSDN. All for $399 - cheaper than Viagra. This was the least expensive route I found.
Gary
What is ISV? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Independent_software_vendor ? http://www.isvonline.com/ ? http://www.isv.org/index.htm ? Can you tell me how to do that??
Thanks and Regards, Michael Sync ( Blog: http://michaelsync.net) "Please vote to let me (and others) know if this answer helped you or not. A 5 vote tells people that your question has been answered successfully and that I've pitched it at just the right level. Thanks."
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Ref : http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/subscriptions/bb841434.aspx Who can buy the MSDN subscription??? I mean, among the developers.. The salary range for developer in my area are between USD 1600 and 2000. (I know there are some developers who used to get around $100~$500 per month in some countries.) So, how can we buy this MSDN subscription ($1199)??
Visual Studio Professional Edition with MSDN Professional ($1,199)
Thanks and Regards, Michael Sync ( Blog: http://michaelsync.net)
*shrug* That's a bit shy of two weeks' salary. If i was required to buy it myself, i'd be irate - but my employer takes care of providing me the tools necessary for my job. It's MSDN, subscription access to various products for testing purposes. I doubt too many people buy subscriptions for the fun of it.
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"(I know there are some developers who used to get around $100~$500 per month in some countries.)" implied that this was as much as dev makes in *any* country. In the West, some devs make within that range per hour. Of course, that's not average, but it's possible. I don't recall Singapore being especially cheap, I'm surprised you get paid so little.
Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ "also I don't think "TranslateOneToTwoBillion OneHundredAndFortySevenMillion FourHundredAndEightyThreeThousand SixHundredAndFortySeven()" is a very good choice for a function name" - SpacixOne ( offering help to someone who really needed it ) ( spaces added for the benefit of people running at < 1280x1024 )
Christian Graus wrote:
some devs make within that range per hour
then, $18000 per month? ( ($100 x 6) x 30 = 18000 ) Wow! it's too much.. Are you all from West got that much??
Thanks and Regards, Michael Sync ( Blog: http://michaelsync.net) "Please vote to let me (and others) know if this answer helped you or not. A 5 vote tells people that your question has been answered successfully and that I've pitched it at just the right level. Thanks."
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What is ISV? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Independent_software_vendor ? http://www.isvonline.com/ ? http://www.isv.org/index.htm ? Can you tell me how to do that??
Thanks and Regards, Michael Sync ( Blog: http://michaelsync.net) "Please vote to let me (and others) know if this answer helped you or not. A 5 vote tells people that your question has been answered successfully and that I've pitched it at just the right level. Thanks."
Michael Sync wrote:
What is ISV?
Through MS Partner Program, its an Independent Software Vendor. https://partner.microsoft.com/US/program/programoverview/programbenefits
Gary
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*shrug* That's a bit shy of two weeks' salary. If i was required to buy it myself, i'd be irate - but my employer takes care of providing me the tools necessary for my job. It's MSDN, subscription access to various products for testing purposes. I doubt too many people buy subscriptions for the fun of it.
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Shog9 wrote:
my employer takes care of providing me the tools necessary for my job.
ya.. but they won't allow me to take the installer to install in my personal machine, right? so, i will still need to use VS express to develop my pet projects...
Thanks and Regards, Michael Sync ( Blog: http://michaelsync.net) "Please vote to let me (and others) know if this answer helped you or not. A 5 vote tells people that your question has been answered successfully and that I've pitched it at just the right level. Thanks."
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Shog9 wrote:
my employer takes care of providing me the tools necessary for my job.
ya.. but they won't allow me to take the installer to install in my personal machine, right? so, i will still need to use VS express to develop my pet projects...
Thanks and Regards, Michael Sync ( Blog: http://michaelsync.net) "Please vote to let me (and others) know if this answer helped you or not. A 5 vote tells people that your question has been answered successfully and that I've pitched it at just the right level. Thanks."
Michael Sync wrote:
so, i will still need to use VS express to develop my pet projects...
Yeah. Or a text editor and GCC. If you're into the .NET stuff, you can download the SDK and do command line builds there as well. VS Express is pretty decent though.
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Christian Graus wrote:
some devs make within that range per hour
then, $18000 per month? ( ($100 x 6) x 30 = 18000 ) Wow! it's too much.. Are you all from West got that much??
Thanks and Regards, Michael Sync ( Blog: http://michaelsync.net) "Please vote to let me (and others) know if this answer helped you or not. A 5 vote tells people that your question has been answered successfully and that I've pitched it at just the right level. Thanks."
No, the average starting wage I would say is $30-$40k. We work an 8 hour day, you work 6 ? ( I work 16, but.... )
Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ "also I don't think "TranslateOneToTwoBillion OneHundredAndFortySevenMillion FourHundredAndEightyThreeThousand SixHundredAndFortySeven()" is a very good choice for a function name" - SpacixOne ( offering help to someone who really needed it ) ( spaces added for the benefit of people running at < 1280x1024 )
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Michael Sync wrote:
What is ISV?
Through MS Partner Program, its an Independent Software Vendor. https://partner.microsoft.com/US/program/programoverview/programbenefits
Gary
Thanks... But it is sad that I don't own a company..
Thanks and Regards, Michael Sync ( Blog: http://michaelsync.net) "Please vote to let me (and others) know if this answer helped you or not. A 5 vote tells people that your question has been answered successfully and that I've pitched it at just the right level. Thanks."
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No, the average starting wage I would say is $30-$40k. We work an 8 hour day, you work 6 ? ( I work 16, but.... )
Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ "also I don't think "TranslateOneToTwoBillion OneHundredAndFortySevenMillion FourHundredAndEightyThreeThousand SixHundredAndFortySeven()" is a very good choice for a function name" - SpacixOne ( offering help to someone who really needed it ) ( spaces added for the benefit of people running at < 1280x1024 )
Christian Graus wrote:
the average starting wage I would say is $30-$40k.
Wow!! $40K per month.. That's amazing..
Christian Graus wrote:
We work an 8 hour day, you work 6 ?
We work 8 hrs a day too. but we don't count breakfast hour ( 30 mins),lunch (1 hr ) and cafe time ( 30 mins)... I worked 8 hrs (sometimes, more ) in Office.. After office hours, I take time to participate in this forum, try to read about C# 3.0 and etc, do blogging.. I spend so much time in front of computers every day.. but .... (I should have born in West.)
Thanks and Regards, Michael Sync ( Blog: http://michaelsync.net) "Please vote to let me (and others) know if this answer helped you or not. A 5 vote tells people that your question has been answered successfully and that I've pitched it at just the right level. Thanks."
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Michael Sync wrote:
so, i will still need to use VS express to develop my pet projects...
Yeah. Or a text editor and GCC. If you're into the .NET stuff, you can download the SDK and do command line builds there as well. VS Express is pretty decent though.
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:) ya. When I was using .NET 1.1, I used to use SharpDevelop.. Now, I thank to MS for releasing VS Express. :)
Thanks and Regards, Michael Sync ( Blog: http://michaelsync.net)
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Thanks... But it is sad that I don't own a company..
Thanks and Regards, Michael Sync ( Blog: http://michaelsync.net) "Please vote to let me (and others) know if this answer helped you or not. A 5 vote tells people that your question has been answered successfully and that I've pitched it at just the right level. Thanks."
Michael Sync wrote:
I don't own a company
You could own a Sole Proprietorship company - MichealSyncSoftware - tomorrow! Taxes are little more complex than personal taxes, plus you get more write-offs (assuming US citizen). Write off your personal computers, software, subscription (1/3 of $399 = $133. A rebate in effect, net cost $266), magazines, seminars, travel to seminars, etc., etc.
Gary
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Shog9 wrote:
my employer takes care of providing me the tools necessary for my job.
ya.. but they won't allow me to take the installer to install in my personal machine, right? so, i will still need to use VS express to develop my pet projects...
Thanks and Regards, Michael Sync ( Blog: http://michaelsync.net) "Please vote to let me (and others) know if this answer helped you or not. A 5 vote tells people that your question has been answered successfully and that I've pitched it at just the right level. Thanks."
When you use the disk to install VS, just copy the whole thing to your dev machine. Then, when nobody is looking, you can cut a disk to take home. My employer has no problem with me installing on my personal machine, as I do a lot of work for them on it.
My head asplode!
Calling all South African developers! Your participation in this local dev community will be mutually beneficial, to you and us.
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Ref : http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/subscriptions/bb841434.aspx Who can buy the MSDN subscription??? I mean, among the developers.. The salary range for developer in my area are between USD 1600 and 2000. (I know there are some developers who used to get around $100~$500 per month in some countries.) So, how can we buy this MSDN subscription ($1199)??
Visual Studio Professional Edition with MSDN Professional ($1,199)
Thanks and Regards, Michael Sync ( Blog: http://michaelsync.net)
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Christian Graus wrote:
the average starting wage I would say is $30-$40k.
Wow!! $40K per month.. That's amazing..
Christian Graus wrote:
We work an 8 hour day, you work 6 ?
We work 8 hrs a day too. but we don't count breakfast hour ( 30 mins),lunch (1 hr ) and cafe time ( 30 mins)... I worked 8 hrs (sometimes, more ) in Office.. After office hours, I take time to participate in this forum, try to read about C# 3.0 and etc, do blogging.. I spend so much time in front of computers every day.. but .... (I should have born in West.)
Thanks and Regards, Michael Sync ( Blog: http://michaelsync.net) "Please vote to let me (and others) know if this answer helped you or not. A 5 vote tells people that your question has been answered successfully and that I've pitched it at just the right level. Thanks."
Michael Sync wrote:
Wow!! $40K per month.. That's amazing..
Thats probably per year....that much per month is crazy, and definitely nowhere near the average.
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When you use the disk to install VS, just copy the whole thing to your dev machine. Then, when nobody is looking, you can cut a disk to take home. My employer has no problem with me installing on my personal machine, as I do a lot of work for them on it.
My head asplode!
Calling all South African developers! Your participation in this local dev community will be mutually beneficial, to you and us.
Brady Kelly wrote:
When you use the disk to install VS, just copy the whole thing to your dev machine. Then, when nobody is looking, you can cut a disk to take home.
tsk tsk tsk...
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Michael Sync wrote:
Wow!! $40K per month.. That's amazing..
Thats probably per year....that much per month is crazy, and definitely nowhere near the average.
:badger:
Christian said that people from West got $100-$500 per hours. then, $18000 per month? ( ($100 x 6) x 30 = 18000 ).. he said that they work an 8-hrs a day so ($100 x 8) x 30 = 24000
Thanks and Regards, Michael Sync ( Blog: http://michaelsync.net) "Please vote to let me (and others) know if this answer helped you or not. A 5 vote tells people that your question has been answered successfully and that I've pitched it at just the right level. Thanks."
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Christian said that people from West got $100-$500 per hours. then, $18000 per month? ( ($100 x 6) x 30 = 18000 ).. he said that they work an 8-hrs a day so ($100 x 8) x 30 = 24000
Thanks and Regards, Michael Sync ( Blog: http://michaelsync.net) "Please vote to let me (and others) know if this answer helped you or not. A 5 vote tells people that your question has been answered successfully and that I've pitched it at just the right level. Thanks."
Michael Sync wrote:
he said that they work an 8-hrs a day so ($100 x 8) x 30 = 24000
Don't tell me you work Saturdays and Sundays there...
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"(I know there are some developers who used to get around $100~$500 per month in some countries.)" implied that this was as much as dev makes in *any* country. In the West, some devs make within that range per hour. Of course, that's not average, but it's possible. I don't recall Singapore being especially cheap, I'm surprised you get paid so little.
Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ "also I don't think "TranslateOneToTwoBillion OneHundredAndFortySevenMillion FourHundredAndEightyThreeThousand SixHundredAndFortySeven()" is a very good choice for a function name" - SpacixOne ( offering help to someone who really needed it ) ( spaces added for the benefit of people running at < 1280x1024 )
Jordanian Devs make a starting salary of about 350JD which is about 500US$. In the Gulf Countries (Kingdom of Saudi Arabia, UAE, Kuwait, etc.) They make something comparative to 2000US$ - 3000US$ (depending on many factors) and they don't pay income tax. Locally, the region is experiencing an incredible boom across many sectors and inflation is becoming a serious problem because the salaries are not moving with the inflation at all. This is why there is a serious brain drain issue with the countries like Jordan, Egypt, and Lebanon (generally, better educated more technology aware) to the Gulf countries. And this is why I've decided enough is enough, as soon as I finish my Masters Degree I'm going back home to Canada. It sucks working hard and not making a living comparable to my friends and family back west. :sigh: Court case with the worm vendors pending. :^)
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Christian Graus wrote:
the average starting wage I would say is $30-$40k.
Wow!! $40K per month.. That's amazing..
Christian Graus wrote:
We work an 8 hour day, you work 6 ?
We work 8 hrs a day too. but we don't count breakfast hour ( 30 mins),lunch (1 hr ) and cafe time ( 30 mins)... I worked 8 hrs (sometimes, more ) in Office.. After office hours, I take time to participate in this forum, try to read about C# 3.0 and etc, do blogging.. I spend so much time in front of computers every day.. but .... (I should have born in West.)
Thanks and Regards, Michael Sync ( Blog: http://michaelsync.net) "Please vote to let me (and others) know if this answer helped you or not. A 5 vote tells people that your question has been answered successfully and that I've pitched it at just the right level. Thanks."
OK, I see the issue. We generally measure salaries by year. $40k per year is an average starting salary
Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ "also I don't think "TranslateOneToTwoBillion OneHundredAndFortySevenMillion FourHundredAndEightyThreeThousand SixHundredAndFortySeven()" is a very good choice for a function name" - SpacixOne ( offering help to someone who really needed it ) ( spaces added for the benefit of people running at < 1280x1024 )