Who bought MSDN Subscription?
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Christian Graus wrote:
We get weekends off, mostly
($100 x 8) x 20 = 16000? 40K / 12 = 3333.3 ?? Anyway, it's much higher..
Christian Graus wrote:
OK, I see the issue.
Yeah. We used to measure the salaries by month. :) That's why I was thinking why you are surprised the S'pore developer's salaries. but it still less than $1000 compared to ppl from west..
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I have been measuring my salary in year now (+ AWS and variable bonuses). A company might be paying higher monthly salary but in the end I might be getting less per year (contract without variable bonuses). We are paying less tax compared to the west too.
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I have been measuring my salary in year now (+ AWS and variable bonuses). A company might be paying higher monthly salary but in the end I might be getting less per year (contract without variable bonuses). We are paying less tax compared to the west too.
darkelv wrote:
We are paying less tax compared to the west too.
really? How much they pay for tax?? For me, I have to pay so much tax even I'm not in West.. I have to pay the tax ( S$140 per month ) to the country that I'm staying and I have to pay the tax ( S$80 per month) to my native country.. I have to pay the double taxes to two countries.. :((
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darkelv wrote:
We are paying less tax compared to the west too.
really? How much they pay for tax?? For me, I have to pay so much tax even I'm not in West.. I have to pay the tax ( S$140 per month ) to the country that I'm staying and I have to pay the tax ( S$80 per month) to my native country.. I have to pay the double taxes to two countries.. :((
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I am not sure about EP holder. But for Singaporean and PR, roughly 5% for first 40k, and 8% after that, and so on. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax\_bracket If you are from countries that are not in non-double-taxation list, well, that will sucks. ;p
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Christian said that people from West got $100-$500 per hours. then, $18000 per month? ( ($100 x 6) x 30 = 18000 ).. he said that they work an 8-hrs a day so ($100 x 8) x 30 = 24000
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Michael Sync wrote:
x 30
There are only 20 working days per month.
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Christian Graus wrote:
the average starting wage I would say is $30-$40k.
Wow!! $40K per month.. That's amazing..
Christian Graus wrote:
We work an 8 hour day, you work 6 ?
We work 8 hrs a day too. but we don't count breakfast hour ( 30 mins),lunch (1 hr ) and cafe time ( 30 mins)... I worked 8 hrs (sometimes, more ) in Office.. After office hours, I take time to participate in this forum, try to read about C# 3.0 and etc, do blogging.. I spend so much time in front of computers every day.. but .... (I should have born in West.)
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Michael Sync wrote:
(I should have born in West.)
You don't have to be born here. You can move here if you get the right visa.
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Christian Graus wrote:
No-one in the west makes $500 a month
Yeah.. What about Asia? In Myanmar, the most of senior developers got between $100-$300 (max: $500 (so hard to find the company that can that much but there are 2 or 3..)) .. In India, the most of fresh grads got between $400-$1500. $1000 - $1500 in Thai.. $1600- $2000 in S'pore.
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Well . . . if these people are working for someone (as programmers), than their employers should foot the bill. Even as a contractor, my employer has done so. It's cheaper for them than buying all the various packages and O/S I need for development. Taking full advantage of it as a user-license product, and since I work from home, as well, I've synched my home systems and laptop to contain the same tools, O/S, etc, as my prinicpal employer. That, plus the company workstation they supplied: 4 copies each of VS2003, VS2005, XP Professional - to start. Then there are items I've downloaded just to try out, such as MapPoint & its SDK, so that I could demonstrate to them the auto-formatting/standardization/correction of addresses. Although, in the countries cited, the employees are paid in spit, their employers are raking in fortunes. They could easily afford the sub's. It's just that piracy is noticably cheaper. This begs another question: Suppose piracy disappeared: would MS lower prices to the rest of us?
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Shog9 wrote:
my employer takes care of providing me the tools necessary for my job.
ya.. but they won't allow me to take the installer to install in my personal machine, right? so, i will still need to use VS express to develop my pet projects...
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Wrong! (or should be). A MSDN subscription is a user license. You (if you're the regestered user) can install the software on multiple machines for your use (only). Contrast this to the usual license, which is per workstation license. In particular: up to 10 installs of the O/S's (XP Pro, XP Home, Vista-Linux version, etc.), similarly for MS Office. Others applications allow for unlimited installs (basically because only developer use them and so there's no worry that it's being used to reduce sales for 'regular' users). One of the important advantages of the MSDN Subscription is that it is a user-license. I'm beginning to sound like a cheer-leader for Billy-G and his minions, but it's quite a decent deal and shows some enlightened self interest on there part: Development of Software for Windows O/S ultimately translates into sales of Windows systems. It also get the user accustomed to the strange feeling of having all of his software legal. Excuse me now, whilst I go wash my virtual mouth out with soap for speaking well of Microsoft.
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Christian said that people from West got $100-$500 per hours. then, $18000 per month? ( ($100 x 6) x 30 = 18000 ).. he said that they work an 8-hrs a day so ($100 x 8) x 30 = 24000
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$100-500/h is the high end of the range for contractors/consultants in very specialized skills, or extremely expensive locations. Normal salaries generally range between $40k and $100k/year depending on skills and location. There're a few areas in the US where a starter house runs upwards of $1M and salaries are very high to compensate.
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Shog9 wrote:
my employer takes care of providing me the tools necessary for my job.
ya.. but they won't allow me to take the installer to install in my personal machine, right? so, i will still need to use VS express to develop my pet projects...
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MS often give away complementary licences, which are ideal for this purpose. If you get yourself to one of the VS2008 launch events in February you will almost certainly come away with complementary licences for Visual Studio 2008 Standard/Pro (depending on the event), SQL Server 2008 Standard and Windows Server 2008 Standard. Failing that, attend any software conference MS are sponsoring and you'll almost certainly walk away with something - they were giving away VS2005 licences at the ACCU Conference in April, for example - and at European Software Conference a couple of weeks back all delegates were given VS2005 and Expression Media. There's always a way. :)
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Michael Sync wrote:
(I should have born in West.)
You don't have to be born here. You can move here if you get the right visa.
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Colin Angus Mackay wrote:
You don't have to be born here. You can move here if you get the right visa.
Yeah. This is my dream.. but it's not so easy for me.. Even though I'm a single, I have to support my family (my mom, sis and bro ).. so.. it is a lit bit difficult for me to move to the other country without knowing whether I will get the job there or not.. :) I believe that my dream will come true one day..
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Christian Graus wrote:
No-one in the west makes $500 a month
Yeah.. What about Asia? In Myanmar, the most of senior developers got between $100-$300 (max: $500 (so hard to find the company that can that much but there are 2 or 3..)) .. In India, the most of fresh grads got between $400-$1500. $1000 - $1500 in Thai.. $1600- $2000 in S'pore.
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Wrong! (or should be). A MSDN subscription is a user license. You (if you're the regestered user) can install the software on multiple machines for your use (only). Contrast this to the usual license, which is per workstation license. In particular: up to 10 installs of the O/S's (XP Pro, XP Home, Vista-Linux version, etc.), similarly for MS Office. Others applications allow for unlimited installs (basically because only developer use them and so there's no worry that it's being used to reduce sales for 'regular' users). One of the important advantages of the MSDN Subscription is that it is a user-license. I'm beginning to sound like a cheer-leader for Billy-G and his minions, but it's quite a decent deal and shows some enlightened self interest on there part: Development of Software for Windows O/S ultimately translates into sales of Windows systems. It also get the user accustomed to the strange feeling of having all of his software legal. Excuse me now, whilst I go wash my virtual mouth out with soap for speaking well of Microsoft.
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Balboos wrote:
A MSDN subscription is a user license. You (if you're the regestered user) can install the software on multiple machines for your use (only).
Just curious, on that point, if your using a user license provided by your company then anything made with that dev tool (whether for research or open-source) would be the property of the company no? If the author of the thread is aiming to build technology to either sell or promote himself (therefore independent of work requirements) then this may not be a route to go.
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Balboos wrote:
A MSDN subscription is a user license. You (if you're the regestered user) can install the software on multiple machines for your use (only).
Just curious, on that point, if your using a user license provided by your company then anything made with that dev tool (whether for research or open-source) would be the property of the company no? If the author of the thread is aiming to build technology to either sell or promote himself (therefore independent of work requirements) then this may not be a route to go.
Good question. I could argue either way, but as I'm not an intellectual property lawyer, it would make no difference what I think.* *I actually know one who'll likely answer the question, and now it needs to be asked - so I did. I await his reply, if any.
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Michael Sync wrote:
I don't own a company
You could own a Sole Proprietorship company - MichealSyncSoftware - tomorrow! Taxes are little more complex than personal taxes, plus you get more write-offs (assuming US citizen). Write off your personal computers, software, subscription (1/3 of $399 = $133. A rebate in effect, net cost $266), magazines, seminars, travel to seminars, etc., etc.
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ghle wrote:
You could own a Sole Proprietorship company - MichealSyncSoftware - tomorrow!
:)
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Balboos wrote:
A MSDN subscription is a user license. You (if you're the regestered user) can install the software on multiple machines for your use (only).
Just curious, on that point, if your using a user license provided by your company then anything made with that dev tool (whether for research or open-source) would be the property of the company no? If the author of the thread is aiming to build technology to either sell or promote himself (therefore independent of work requirements) then this may not be a route to go.
Rick Seenarine wrote:
Just curious, on that point, if your using a user license provided by your company then anything made with that dev tool (whether for research or open-source) would be the property of the company no?
that provision is part of policy where I work. Not being a lawyer I don't know how, or if, it would stand up in court.
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Well . . . if these people are working for someone (as programmers), than their employers should foot the bill. Even as a contractor, my employer has done so. It's cheaper for them than buying all the various packages and O/S I need for development. Taking full advantage of it as a user-license product, and since I work from home, as well, I've synched my home systems and laptop to contain the same tools, O/S, etc, as my prinicpal employer. That, plus the company workstation they supplied: 4 copies each of VS2003, VS2005, XP Professional - to start. Then there are items I've downloaded just to try out, such as MapPoint & its SDK, so that I could demonstrate to them the auto-formatting/standardization/correction of addresses. Although, in the countries cited, the employees are paid in spit, their employers are raking in fortunes. They could easily afford the sub's. It's just that piracy is noticably cheaper. This begs another question: Suppose piracy disappeared: would MS lower prices to the rest of us?
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
I wish I can work like you do.. In my company, my manager doesn't interest to buy the MSDN subscription. They don't allow anyone to copy anything (including Visual Studio, Windows and etc) from Office..
Thanks and Regards, Michael Sync ( Blog: http://michaelsync.net)
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yeah. I want to buy MSDN subscription and Visual Studio Professional version.. but I can't... so, I hav to enjoy with Express versions..
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Michael Sync wrote:
so, I hav to enjoy with Express versions.
Enjoy?
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I wish I can work like you do.. In my company, my manager doesn't interest to buy the MSDN subscription. They don't allow anyone to copy anything (including Visual Studio, Windows and etc) from Office..
Thanks and Regards, Michael Sync ( Blog: http://michaelsync.net)
Not allowing the copying could be because (without the MSDN subscription) the copies would be illegal and they could be sued. Even with the subscription, it is only legal for a single (regestered) user to make the copies. It's a nice deal from Microsoft (if you can afford it), but they're not crazy. As for your wish - not everything about this environment is pleasant. I won't go into particulars, but I have problems with 'control freaks', too. Just different problems. I've an application (requested by the COO) that's been ready since the end of August for a beta-deployment. It's still waiting. A key person involved in authorizing installation ignores my request and doesn't acknowledge email. No one seems to want to 'nudge' him. Nothing involving IT happens without his say so. Some good fortune lies in the fact the management knows about his behavioral quirks and that I've done all I can do.
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Michael Sync wrote:
so, I hav to enjoy with Express versions.
Enjoy?
Mark Salsbery Microsoft MVP - Visual C++ :java:
:) The Express edition is the best while I'm not able to afford to buy the professional version.. it much better than SharpDevelop that I used when I was working for .NET 1.1 project..
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yeah. I want to buy MSDN subscription and Visual Studio Professional version.. but I can't... so, I hav to enjoy with Express versions..
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Michael Sync wrote:
I want to buy MSDN subscription and Visual Studio Professional version.. but I can't... so, I hav to enjoy with Express versions..
You could just buy VS without the subscription.. would save you about $400.. Per your other post about #Develop, SharpDevelop has much improved since .NET 1.1 development. I don't personally use it, but I've dabbled and it does most tasks admirably well. I say "admirably" because I still think of it as a toy..
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