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  • L leppie

    What stops you from using non-'runat=server' controls?

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    Chris Maunder
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    I had about a dozen witty replies to this but I have to say I'm truly curious as to what the alternative would be in an ASP.NET site.

    cheers, Chris Maunder

    CodeProject.com : C++ MVP

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      I had about a dozen witty replies to this but I have to say I'm truly curious as to what the alternative would be in an ASP.NET site.

      cheers, Chris Maunder

      CodeProject.com : C++ MVP

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      leppie
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      :~ I think I had 'stupid' for breakfast, I don't understand any reply today! :sigh:

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      • C Chris Maunder

        I had about a dozen witty replies to this but I have to say I'm truly curious as to what the alternative would be in an ASP.NET site.

        cheers, Chris Maunder

        CodeProject.com : C++ MVP

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        Mike Dimmick
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        Use ASP.NET as a compiled ASP, I imagine. Don't use any built-in ASP.NET controls, just use it to spew tag soup. You gain absolute control over the HTML output, at the cost of having to take complete control over the output.

        DoEvents: Generating unexpected recursion since 1991

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        • C Chris Maunder

          Not if Page.TrustMeIKnowWhatImDoing was set to true.

          cheers, Chris Maunder

          CodeProject.com : C++ MVP

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          Mladen Jankovic
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          Then you should write your code on bare metal. ;P

          Mostly, when you see programmers, they aren't doing anything. One of the attractive things about programmers is that you cannot tell whether or not they are working simply by looking at them. Very often they're sitting there seemingly drinking coffee and gossiping, or just staring into space. What the programmer is trying to do is get a handle on all the individual and unrelated ideas that are scampering around in his head. (Charles M Strauss)

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          • C Chris Maunder

            I had about a dozen witty replies to this but I have to say I'm truly curious as to what the alternative would be in an ASP.NET site.

            cheers, Chris Maunder

            CodeProject.com : C++ MVP

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            Daniel Turini
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            Chris Maunder wrote:

            I had about a dozen witty replies to this but I have to say I'm truly curious as to what the alternative would be in an ASP.NET site.

            Hey, can't you read things in red? Don't post programming questions on The Lounge! :-D

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            • C Chris Maunder

              1. A new property Control.DontOutputIdAttribute 2. A new property Page.DontPrefixAllMyControlsWithTheIdOfAllTheirAncestors

              cheers, Chris Maunder

              CodeProject.com : C++ MVP

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              Rama Krishna Vavilala
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              Yes! I don't add an id attribute to the control unless you want it to be accessed from code behind. The naming containers come into action and generate a scope prefixed name. In general you can avoid ids for all controls except for form controls. Alternatively you can use control adapters. I am feeling encouraged to write an article: "Avoiding the id mess in ASP.NET"

              You have, what I would term, a very formal turn of phrase not seen in these isles since the old King passed from this world to the next. martin_hughes on VDK

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                Not if Page.TrustMeIKnowWhatImDoing was set to true.

                cheers, Chris Maunder

                CodeProject.com : C++ MVP

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                dabs
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                Aha, the Sledge Hammer property :-)


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                • R Rama Krishna Vavilala

                  Yes! I don't add an id attribute to the control unless you want it to be accessed from code behind. The naming containers come into action and generate a scope prefixed name. In general you can avoid ids for all controls except for form controls. Alternatively you can use control adapters. I am feeling encouraged to write an article: "Avoiding the id mess in ASP.NET"

                  You have, what I would term, a very formal turn of phrase not seen in these isles since the old King passed from this world to the next. martin_hughes on VDK

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                  Chris Maunder
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                  Rama Krishna Vavilala wrote:

                  Avoiding the id mess in ASP.NET

                  Please do!

                  cheers, Chris Maunder

                  CodeProject.com : C++ MVP

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                  • O Oakman

                    Absolutely! these two "MSFT knows better" behaviors are infuriating.

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                    Brady Kelly
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                    What about having to keep specifying Runat="Server" when there is no option?

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                    • R Rama Krishna Vavilala

                      Yes! I don't add an id attribute to the control unless you want it to be accessed from code behind. The naming containers come into action and generate a scope prefixed name. In general you can avoid ids for all controls except for form controls. Alternatively you can use control adapters. I am feeling encouraged to write an article: "Avoiding the id mess in ASP.NET"

                      You have, what I would term, a very formal turn of phrase not seen in these isles since the old King passed from this world to the next. martin_hughes on VDK

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                      DavidNohejl
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                      Rama Krishna Vavilala wrote:

                      I am feeling encouraged to write an article: "Avoiding the id mess in ASP.NET"

                      +1


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                      • C Chris Maunder

                        1. A new property Control.DontOutputIdAttribute 2. A new property Page.DontPrefixAllMyControlsWithTheIdOfAllTheirAncestors

                        cheers, Chris Maunder

                        CodeProject.com : C++ MVP

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                        Ed Poore
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                        I know it's more work but can't you write something like the CSS adapters so that you can control these things?

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                        • C Chris Maunder

                          1. A new property Control.DontOutputIdAttribute 2. A new property Page.DontPrefixAllMyControlsWithTheIdOfAllTheirAncestors

                          cheers, Chris Maunder

                          CodeProject.com : C++ MVP

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                          Rajesh R Subramanian
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                          How about a Silverlight.LeaveMeAlone = TRUE configuration for all browsers while visiting MS website?

                          Nobody can give you wiser advice than yourself. - Cicero .·´¯`·->Rajesh<-·´¯`·. Codeproject.com: Visual C++ MVP

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                            Rama Krishna Vavilala wrote:

                            Avoiding the id mess in ASP.NET

                            Please do!

                            cheers, Chris Maunder

                            CodeProject.com : C++ MVP

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                            Rama Krishna Vavilala
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                            Chris Maunder wrote:

                            Please do!

                            Ok if you like the article then you have to send me a CP T-Shirt ;P

                            You have, what I would term, a very formal turn of phrase not seen in these isles since the old King passed from this world to the next. martin_hughes on VDK

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                            • C Chris Maunder

                              I had about a dozen witty replies to this but I have to say I'm truly curious as to what the alternative would be in an ASP.NET site.

                              cheers, Chris Maunder

                              CodeProject.com : C++ MVP

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                              Andy Brummer
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                              Look at the MVC framework, it's like ASP.NET without the events. Another option is to not use a server side form. The controls actually output clean HTML without viewstate if they can't find the serverside form element. 3.5 extensions[^] in standard new microsoft style, the best intro is the 3rd video on the download page.

                              The difference between pH 13 and pH 8 is five, which meant that pH 13 was ten to the fifth power - a hundred thousand times - more alkaline than pH 8. That kind of thing goes on all the time. But no matter how many diplomas are tacked to your wall, give people a figure like that and they'll pass you off as a flake. You can't get most people to believe how wildly the eco-laws get broken. But if I say "More than twice the legal limit," they get comfortably outraged. - Neal Stephenson

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                              • R Rajesh R Subramanian

                                How about a Silverlight.LeaveMeAlone = TRUE configuration for all browsers while visiting MS website?

                                Nobody can give you wiser advice than yourself. - Cicero .·´¯`·->Rajesh<-·´¯`·. Codeproject.com: Visual C++ MVP

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                                Kastellanos Nikos
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                                What's wrong with silverlight? If you don't like it you can uninstallit.

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                                • L leppie

                                  Paul Selormey wrote:

                                  they are actually there

                                  I dont understand what you mean. :confused:

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                                  jcdevnet
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                                  I guess, he means why should you specify the runat="server" on Server Controls

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                                  • C Chris Maunder

                                    1. A new property Control.DontOutputIdAttribute 2. A new property Page.DontPrefixAllMyControlsWithTheIdOfAllTheirAncestors

                                    cheers, Chris Maunder

                                    CodeProject.com : C++ MVP

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                                    Ennis Ray Lynch Jr
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                                    Funny, I have the same problem. My biggest issue comes with trying to use Cross Browser compatible javascript. Just mix in some classic style asp and your done :p

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                                      1. A new property Control.DontOutputIdAttribute 2. A new property Page.DontPrefixAllMyControlsWithTheIdOfAllTheirAncestors

                                      cheers, Chris Maunder

                                      CodeProject.com : C++ MVP

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                                      Member 96
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                                      Writing your own web server is surprisingly easy to do, I say this from experience.


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                                        What's wrong with silverlight? If you don't like it you can uninstallit.

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                                        Rajesh R Subramanian
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                                        What if I just don't want to install it? I simply can't see it standing anywhere closer to flash. The "Install silver light now" just bugs me off.

                                        Nobody can give you wiser advice than yourself. - Cicero .·´¯`·->Rajesh<-·´¯`·. Codeproject.com: Visual C++ MVP

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                                        • R Rama Krishna Vavilala

                                          Chris Maunder wrote:

                                          Please do!

                                          Ok if you like the article then you have to send me a CP T-Shirt ;P

                                          You have, what I would term, a very formal turn of phrase not seen in these isles since the old King passed from this world to the next. martin_hughes on VDK

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                                          Chris Maunder
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                                          I owe you a T-shirt already I think. I'm hoping to actually get around to doing some more in the next 2 weeks.

                                          cheers, Chris Maunder

                                          CodeProject.com : C++ MVP

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