Micrsoft Can Go Screw Themselves

peterchen

uh, no, was posted to John Simmons. Either I'm already to stupid for this board, or.... CHRIIIIIIIIIIIIS!!!!!!!

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realJSOP

This will also ripple down nto competing operating systems. If Linux doesn't have OpenGL, you may as well forget new games being targetted at that platform. No games, no gamers. No gamers, no home users. No home users, no Linux. No Linux, Microsoft wins. ------- signature starts "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 Please review the Legal Disclaimer in my bio. ------- signature ends

Kevnar

John Simmons doesn't have "Morrowind Addict" in his bio. I do. I figured you were talking to me. And yes, I am the boss of the fighter guild and wear glass armor. :-D

"I'm not saying there should be a capital punishment for stupidity, but why don't we just take the safety labels off of everything and let the problem solve itself?" -xterm

Christopher Duncan

John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: No Linux, Microsoft wins. For good or bad, Microsoft won a long time ago. Linux is little more than a religious statement in the grand scheme of things. Chistopher Duncan Author - The Career Programmer: Guerilla Tactics for an Imperfect World (Apress)

Jeremy Falcon

Don't even get me started with the Fahrenheit project. Those bastards at MS have strong-armed SGI for a while now. SGI is either going out or is close to going out of business, so I assume that's why they sold the patents. Jeremy Falcon Imputek

Joao Vaz

Christopher Duncan wrote: Linux is little more than a religious statement in the grand scheme of things. No. Is not ;P Linux have a rightfully and deserved place ;P Unfortunatelly the trend in Portugal is: Microsoft plataforms are for biz applications what Unix are for system applications ... So, If I want to follow up the system programmers track that I love, I'm forced to do it on unix plataforms :(( , so Linux is my learning target while doing intensive learning on multithreading and socket programming in unix :(( Many people here in Portugal are using Linux as a unix* side of learning programming and many guys have it at home, ... Now even in this small country, there are some good companies that are turning solaris, aix, hp-ux and others nix* systems in flavour of linux ... So Linux is winning ...true, in small percentages, but is winning ... Cheers, Joao Vaz The loved ones never really leave us , they are always alive on our hearts and minds.

Christopher Duncan

Joao Vaz wrote: No. Is not ;P And of course, no offense intended to anyone's deeply held religious convictions! :-D Chistopher Duncan Author - The Career Programmer: Guerilla Tactics for an Imperfect World (Apress)

peterchen

rrrrlssmmmmffff...... I must be a bit on the confused side today.. I just thought that John, if he'd play Morrowind, probably would be of the "Daedra? Big Sword kills big Daedra!" style.

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John Aldrich

Me thinks the only reason they want the patent on openGL is because Asheron's Call I/II has gotten them so filthy rich using openGL that they're beginning to suffer from a severe Greedius Maximus Plague andthey want to profit more and more off it...to my knowledge...AC is the only Microsoft Product that uses GL in a major way.

It's good to see kids turning their minds to wholesum activities such as programming, instead of wasting their lives in the hedonistic disciplines of Sex, Drugs, & Rock & Roll... or Sex with Drugs, or Sex with Rocks while Rolling in Drugs, or whatever new-fangled perversions you little monsters have thought up now... [Shog9 on Kid Programmers]

realJSOP

If it's not a racing sim, it's not on my computer? (I reinstall Quake2 when I make a major hardware upgrade that affects the speed of the system, just to see it run fast.) ------- signature starts "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 Please review the Legal Disclaimer in my bio. ------- signature ends

peterchen

or maybe they just want to protect themselfes from other people patenting this or other parts of OpenGL. Every cpoin has two sides, and a rim.

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Christian Graus

Chris Losinger wrote: come on all you MS suckups, defend your sugar-daddy now. After the recent fiasco, I have been actively seeking a new quote. The search has ended..... Christian I am completely intolerant of stupidity. Stupidity is, of course, anything that doesn't conform to my way of thinking. - Jamie Hale - 29/05/2002

Frank Liao

Actually, I can think of one other reason. It might follow what Apple did with Mac OS X. If I heard right, Apple's OS uses OpenGL to optimize their graphical user interface. MS might do the same thing and probably make a new version of GDI+ (maybe GDI++). It wouldn't be too odd of a guess considering MS did merge Direct3D and DirectDraw together to take advantage of 3D acceleration in 2D drawing. Then, you will see Internet Explorer bouncing up and down from your taskbar. :) Frank Frank@Frank-L.com http://www.Frank-L.com Los Angeles, CA, USA

Jorgen Sigvardsson

Christopher Duncan wrote: Linux is little more than a religious statement in the grand scheme of things. ¿Que? Have you ever visited universities, ISPs, and pretty much any other IT-related business with a lot of networking involved? Linux is huge. It's cheap, and it gets the job done. Tasks where Linux is involved: web server, email server, dns server, file server, fire wall, computer lab (university mostly), application server (the web-pr0n industry thrives on Linux and Apache), research activities (university). I'd say it's not a religious statement in the grand scheme of things. It's getting things done cheap! Once you set up a simple dns server for instance, little or no maintainence is necessary (except for the DNS database, but you can't escape that anyhow!). TCO with Linux is low, and in most cases lower no matter what Microsoft and some "independent" analyst says. Sonorked as well: 100.13197 jorgen FreeBSD is sexy.

Jorgen Sigvardsson

Frank Liao wrote: It wouldn't be too odd of a guess considering MS did merge Direct3D and DirectDraw together to take advantage of 3D acceleration in 2D drawing. I thought this has already happened in DirectX 8? Sonorked as well: 100.13197 jorgen FreeBSD is sexy.

Frank Liao

Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote: I thought this has already happened in DirectX 8? I don't believe that GDI or GDI+ utilizes anything from DirectX 8. I was referring to the graphical user interface and not DirectX itself. Apple uses OpenGL for the GUI, not exclusively for games, window, or fullscreen. Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote: FreeBSD is sexy. Unfortunately, FreeBSD 4.6 is not so sexy for me because I couldn't get passed the installation without messing up the screen with my ATI Radeon. I gave up on installing it a while ago. Frank Frank@Frank-L.com http://www.Frank-L.com Los Angeles, CA, USA

Frank Liao

Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote: TCO with Linux is low, and in most cases lower no matter what Microsoft and some "independent" analyst says. Desktop-wise, no company could switch from MS to Linux because it could alienate users from it's not-so-easy-to-use interface. Support will be called up all the time whenever there's something that can't be solved by a point-and-click. Actually, I would disagree on the web server to some extent. Static web pages may be served best with Linux. But developing web applications are becoming very fast on MS due to ASP and ASP.NET (heh, I'm actually reading up on it). So, like any programming language and OS, it really depends on what features you are looking for. Moreover, never underestimate the 'other' OS. ;P Frank Frank@Frank-L.com http://www.Frank-L.com Los Angeles, CA, USA

Jorgen Sigvardsson

Frank Liao wrote: I don't believe that GDI or GDI+ utilizes anything from DirectX 8. I was referring to the graphical user interface and not DirectX itself. Apple uses OpenGL for the GUI, not exclusively for games, window, or fullscreen. Ah, ok. Frank Liao wrote: Unfortunately, FreeBSD 4.6 is not so sexy for me because I couldn't get passed the installation without messing up the screen with my ATI Radeon. I gave up on installing it a while ago. If you would have said 4.5 I would have said "thought so" since it shipped XFree86 3.3.6 by default. 4.6 however ships with XFree84 4 which usually handles newer cards without a problem. I usually install XFree afterwards when I have everything set up as I want (I've been burnt by XFree86 3.x before, so I want a "safe-mode" OS to return to before I screw X up :) Sonorked as well: 100.13197 jorgen FreeBSD is sexy.

Jorgen Sigvardsson

Frank Liao wrote: Desktop-wise, no company could switch from MS to Linux because it could alienate users from it's not-so-easy-to-use interface. Support will be called up all the time whenever there's something that can't be solved by a point-and-click. Desktop-wise for students, researchers, teachers Linux is a nice alternative_Sentence edited after the discovery of a negation too much_. But for many others it would not be a good idea. But I avoided this area carefully in my earlier post. Obviously you spotted it :-D Frank Liao wrote: Actually, I would disagree on the web server to some extent. Static web pages may be served best with Linux. But developing web applications are becoming very fast on MS due to ASP and ASP.NET (heh, I'm actually reading up on it). So, like any programming language and OS, it really depends on what features you are looking for. I haven't had the chance to do any work using ASP.NET yet so I can't really say anything about it. But ASP/IIS is not much different from PHP/Apache. Same shit, different names. ;) (I'm not too fond of web development/applications...) ASP.NET is the Web Forms thingie right? If it is, well.. then PHP & Co is a bit behind. But I looked at the html source code which is produced from the form files, it's not very high tech stuff - PHP crowd will catch up sooner or later. (Even I, the web-dead developer I am, pondered on how to realize a web-UI such as that about 1-1½ years ago). What does ASP.NET deliver that is so revolutionary? Frank Liao wrote: Moreover, never underestimate the 'other' OS. Agree. I say "pick the best tool for the job". It's just a matter of deciding what "the best tool" means :) Sonorked as well: 100.13197 jorgen FreeBSD is sexy.