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LOL, it remembers me a talk about Vista... Ok, you are right, a computer is good when it do what you need it to do. So my opinion would be: the iPhone is a great computer, for common users. For better and more complex functions, a pocket pc is a better computer. Do you agree with that? (if it where a spanish forum, i could talk better, and have the correct words to say what i want to say...)
Fisa wrote:
the iPhone is a great computer, for common users.
yes, I would agree.
Fisa wrote:
For better and more complex functions, a pocket pc is a better computer.
I would agree, in part. You are confusing computation with the OS. For more complex operations involving windows OS related software, but you still want to carry in a sagging pocket, a pocket PC is a better computer. I would say that we have not fully seen the influence the iPhone has had, so it is unclear how much of the market it will take away. Palm and MS have been fighting it out over the pocket computation for a while. You can get software for both, one is more windows, one is not. Depending on your opinions of windows look&feel, and software needs, you can go either way. smart phones like the iPhone and others opened up "application level" computation. That is, the facility is there to have some good computational capability, now the wait is on for the applications. Like the PS3 which has been out for a long time, but game availability made its market share unclear. As games slowly come out, it is slowly chipping away at the competition market share. Is it "better" there is no clear answer. Is it better for some, yes, just as no is valid as well. There is no black and white here. And as with the PS3 the complete influence is yet to be established. Competitors are jumping to come in with similarly capable devices before the niche is completely taken by the iPhone. How wide that niche is will be established by the applications that come out, and the prices of both the product and applications over the next year. The iPhone got a big boost from the "latest gadget crowd." But they are a fickle bunch, upgrading often, always to the next greatest thing that comes out. When they leave, or if they leave, the picture will be clearer still.
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
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LOL, it remembers me a talk about Vista... Ok, you are right, a computer is good when it do what you need it to do. So my opinion would be: the iPhone is a great computer, for common users. For better and more complex functions, a pocket pc is a better computer. Do you agree with that? (if it where a spanish forum, i could talk better, and have the correct words to say what i want to say...)
Hi. I think that everything is more simple. "A computer is a machine that manipulates data according to a list of instructions." All the machines that falls into that definition is a COMPUTER. And of course there are differents categories into the Computer schema, but all they are COMPUTERS. Even an "abacus" is a computer!. Because there are a list of instructions to follow to be able to carry a calculus. Like my PC, except they are C++, or assembly or machine language instructions.
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Fisa wrote:
the iPhone is a great computer, for common users.
yes, I would agree.
Fisa wrote:
For better and more complex functions, a pocket pc is a better computer.
I would agree, in part. You are confusing computation with the OS. For more complex operations involving windows OS related software, but you still want to carry in a sagging pocket, a pocket PC is a better computer. I would say that we have not fully seen the influence the iPhone has had, so it is unclear how much of the market it will take away. Palm and MS have been fighting it out over the pocket computation for a while. You can get software for both, one is more windows, one is not. Depending on your opinions of windows look&feel, and software needs, you can go either way. smart phones like the iPhone and others opened up "application level" computation. That is, the facility is there to have some good computational capability, now the wait is on for the applications. Like the PS3 which has been out for a long time, but game availability made its market share unclear. As games slowly come out, it is slowly chipping away at the competition market share. Is it "better" there is no clear answer. Is it better for some, yes, just as no is valid as well. There is no black and white here. And as with the PS3 the complete influence is yet to be established. Competitors are jumping to come in with similarly capable devices before the niche is completely taken by the iPhone. How wide that niche is will be established by the applications that come out, and the prices of both the product and applications over the next year. The iPhone got a big boost from the "latest gadget crowd." But they are a fickle bunch, upgrading often, always to the next greatest thing that comes out. When they leave, or if they leave, the picture will be clearer still.
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
you didn't understand me well. I'm talking about bussines apps, with a lot of work load. On that cases, a pocket pc offers proccesing capability, and mobility. I'm not saying that is a "better computer". I wanted to say that is better on a bussines app ambient. And Palm is becoming a new hardware vendor, they have released some Palm models that are pocket pcs, and started some bussines aliances with Microsoft.
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if i could say it on spanish, i would be easy to you to understand what i want to say... I'm talking about personal computers, those used to store your files, use apps for work and fun, etc.
Fisa wrote:
if i could say it on spanish, i would be easy to you to understand what i want to say... I'm talking about personal computers, those used to store your files, use apps for work and fun, etc.
I think then there is a confusion in terminology. The iPhone is a computer. A computer is a device that can take an input, process it, and then produce an output. Nothing more complex than that. A personal computer, although once referring to IBM PC and its clones now refers to any computer that is used by an individual, such as a Desktop computer, laptop computer, etc.
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Hello! I read the last daily news, and i'm very ungry about one of the articles, that called "10 broken technology ideas -- and how to fix them". The first point talks abaut portable pc's. After reading it, i'm fully convinced that someone that knows nothing about that wrote this article! (i guess that he knows a lot about other things, but no about portable devices) Apple iPhone a "computer"??? It's only a beautifull cellphone, has nothing more than that!!!! And talk about smartphones, pocket pcs and UMPC's like they were all the same thing?? They are complete different worlds!! Being an expert in this topic, i must give you my opinion: - Smartphones: cellphones with something more, the future of massive communication devices, for the common people (the iPhone is here). Some pocket pcs are in the massive category too, with great innovative interfaces, like the HTC Touch, that have a lot more functions than an iPhone, are cheaper, and easy to use. - Pocket Pcs and similars: future of mobile bussines applications. They have the mobility and the capability to run complex bussines applications. I develop that kind of solutions, and i know how much you can do with a pocket pc. Belive me, is more than the most of the IT people thinks (we have apps that are capable to take to the hand all the information required for a mobile warrior: customers, stock, accounts, reports, real time information, sells, etc) - UMPCs and similars: they are still starting, and their place on the market is still not defined, but some of them are better like portable media devices, and other are better for bussines apps. The blackberrys are something temporal. They are good for mobile e-mail, but nothing more. And you can have mobile e-mail (push e-mail) on a pocket pc too, using Exchange Server, is nothing new (exists before Blackberry). They are transforming to pocket pcs, there are new versions that run Windows Mobile, so the actual Blackberry models are a "temporal" kind of device. The iPhone is the better portable computer today?... well, knowing the portable world today, nothing is more far away than that. It's not even a computer... A pocket pc is more close to a portable pc. For example, with .net, an app that runs on a pocket pc, runs on a pc too (there is nothig more close to a pc on your hand than that). The actual portable pcs are no "perfect", but are great to the objetive that are made. There are devices for every need. What do you think? PS: sorry about my bad english, i speak spanish XD
From Wikipedia "A computer is a machine that manipulates data according to a list of instructions." "...however, the most common form of computer in use today is the embedded computer. Embedded computers are small, simple devices that are used to control other devices — for example, they may be found in machines ranging from fighter aircraft to industrial robots, digital cameras, and children's toys." Mike
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From Wikipedia "A computer is a machine that manipulates data according to a list of instructions." "...however, the most common form of computer in use today is the embedded computer. Embedded computers are small, simple devices that are used to control other devices — for example, they may be found in machines ranging from fighter aircraft to industrial robots, digital cameras, and children's toys." Mike
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you didn't understand me well. I'm talking about bussines apps, with a lot of work load. On that cases, a pocket pc offers proccesing capability, and mobility. I'm not saying that is a "better computer". I wanted to say that is better on a bussines app ambient. And Palm is becoming a new hardware vendor, they have released some Palm models that are pocket pcs, and started some bussines aliances with Microsoft.
Fisa wrote:
you didn't understand me well. I'm talking about bussines apps, with a lot of work load.
so am I. per se. You are talking OS level though, and ignoring application level all together or melding them together. Application level when a new computer platform comes out is rather "open" to influence of market. As demand increases in areas, the market responds with applications to match it, if it can. If it cannot match the market demand, the system generally dies, or retreats into a smaller niche in which it can live comfortably. What I am saying is that with things that are brand new you should be cautious about how you overly classify them. Its like trying to guess the species of a bird based a single feather. Until you see the whole thing you may guess wrong. I would be cautious in your assumptions on capability just as others are rethinking the PS3 in light of the blu-ray win, and other changes. What will be is yet to be firmly established (see my quote). You are over isolating based on your own assumptions and your own predetermined opinion. I am not saying the iPhone is the next best thing since virtual 3D sliced bread, I am simply saying that I am keeping an open mind, the future is very hard to predict especially just following on a new release of any hardware. Who comes next and what they come out with, can change markets very easily. What the iPhone did show is that there is a very strong demand for things that are easier to use. MUCH easier to use. Easier than windows mobile, easier than Palm. What happens next? I am waiting to see, not prejudging the outcome.
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
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Fisa wrote:
you didn't understand me well. I'm talking about bussines apps, with a lot of work load.
so am I. per se. You are talking OS level though, and ignoring application level all together or melding them together. Application level when a new computer platform comes out is rather "open" to influence of market. As demand increases in areas, the market responds with applications to match it, if it can. If it cannot match the market demand, the system generally dies, or retreats into a smaller niche in which it can live comfortably. What I am saying is that with things that are brand new you should be cautious about how you overly classify them. Its like trying to guess the species of a bird based a single feather. Until you see the whole thing you may guess wrong. I would be cautious in your assumptions on capability just as others are rethinking the PS3 in light of the blu-ray win, and other changes. What will be is yet to be firmly established (see my quote). You are over isolating based on your own assumptions and your own predetermined opinion. I am not saying the iPhone is the next best thing since virtual 3D sliced bread, I am simply saying that I am keeping an open mind, the future is very hard to predict especially just following on a new release of any hardware. Who comes next and what they come out with, can change markets very easily. What the iPhone did show is that there is a very strong demand for things that are easier to use. MUCH easier to use. Easier than windows mobile, easier than Palm. What happens next? I am waiting to see, not prejudging the outcome.
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
I'm not making predictions. The author of the article does (the Apple future portable pc...) I'm saying that today, the iPhone is not the "better" portable pc, like the author says. Today there are other devices that are far better in other aspects that are not the design and the easy of use...
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Read the article, and you will know that the autor is not talking about that kind of computers...
I did, did you? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer[^] Mike
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I did, did you? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer[^] Mike
Life is not measured by the number of breaths we take, but by the moments that take our breath away. "George Carlin
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Hello! I read the last daily news, and i'm very ungry about one of the articles, that called "10 broken technology ideas -- and how to fix them". The first point talks abaut portable pc's. After reading it, i'm fully convinced that someone that knows nothing about that wrote this article! (i guess that he knows a lot about other things, but no about portable devices) Apple iPhone a "computer"??? It's only a beautifull cellphone, has nothing more than that!!!! And talk about smartphones, pocket pcs and UMPC's like they were all the same thing?? They are complete different worlds!! Being an expert in this topic, i must give you my opinion: - Smartphones: cellphones with something more, the future of massive communication devices, for the common people (the iPhone is here). Some pocket pcs are in the massive category too, with great innovative interfaces, like the HTC Touch, that have a lot more functions than an iPhone, are cheaper, and easy to use. - Pocket Pcs and similars: future of mobile bussines applications. They have the mobility and the capability to run complex bussines applications. I develop that kind of solutions, and i know how much you can do with a pocket pc. Belive me, is more than the most of the IT people thinks (we have apps that are capable to take to the hand all the information required for a mobile warrior: customers, stock, accounts, reports, real time information, sells, etc) - UMPCs and similars: they are still starting, and their place on the market is still not defined, but some of them are better like portable media devices, and other are better for bussines apps. The blackberrys are something temporal. They are good for mobile e-mail, but nothing more. And you can have mobile e-mail (push e-mail) on a pocket pc too, using Exchange Server, is nothing new (exists before Blackberry). They are transforming to pocket pcs, there are new versions that run Windows Mobile, so the actual Blackberry models are a "temporal" kind of device. The iPhone is the better portable computer today?... well, knowing the portable world today, nothing is more far away than that. It's not even a computer... A pocket pc is more close to a portable pc. For example, with .net, an app that runs on a pocket pc, runs on a pc too (there is nothig more close to a pc on your hand than that). The actual portable pcs are no "perfect", but are great to the objetive that are made. There are devices for every need. What do you think? PS: sorry about my bad english, i speak spanish XD
great!
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They still all computing devices, hence they are in fact computers.
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They still all computing devices, hence they are in fact computers.
offf course mobile can't replace computer.. but watches could he hehe
"If it were machines, the pair_programming seem to work, but for humans it is pair_crackdown that seems to work! " - Nisamudheen
"Opinions are neither right nor wrong. I cannot change your opinion. I can, however, change what influences your opinion." - David Crow
Never mind - my own stupidity is the source of every "problem" - Mixturecheers, Alok Gupta VC Forum Q&A :- I/IV Support CRY- Child Relief and You
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From the article "The Apple iPhone is a smarter, sexier, more useable computer than just about any MID" This is really funny. ;P ;P
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Himanshu Joshi wrote:
This is really funny. ;P;P
i think HTC touch is much sexier.. what u say??
"If it were machines, the pair_programming seem to work, but for humans it is pair_crackdown that seems to work! " - Nisamudheen
"Opinions are neither right nor wrong. I cannot change your opinion. I can, however, change what influences your opinion." - David Crow
Never mind - my own stupidity is the source of every "problem" - Mixturecheers, Alok Gupta VC Forum Q&A :- I/IV Support CRY- Child Relief and You
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What's your definition of a computer?
I see dead pixels Yes, even I am blogging now!
Daniel Turini wrote:
What's your definition of a computer?
thing that compute!
"If it were machines, the pair_programming seem to work, but for humans it is pair_crackdown that seems to work! " - Nisamudheen
"Opinions are neither right nor wrong. I cannot change your opinion. I can, however, change what influences your opinion." - David Crow
Never mind - my own stupidity is the source of every "problem" - Mixturecheers, Alok Gupta VC Forum Q&A :- I/IV Support CRY- Child Relief and You
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LOL, not the Wikipedia article. The article of the newsletter, where an expert says that the iPhone is the best portable computer
i still there are much better option available in market!
"If it were machines, the pair_programming seem to work, but for humans it is pair_crackdown that seems to work! " - Nisamudheen
"Opinions are neither right nor wrong. I cannot change your opinion. I can, however, change what influences your opinion." - David Crow
Never mind - my own stupidity is the source of every "problem" - Mixturecheers, Alok Gupta VC Forum Q&A :- I/IV Support CRY- Child Relief and You
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Himanshu Joshi wrote:
This is really funny. ;P;P
i think HTC touch is much sexier.. what u say??
"If it were machines, the pair_programming seem to work, but for humans it is pair_crackdown that seems to work! " - Nisamudheen
"Opinions are neither right nor wrong. I cannot change your opinion. I can, however, change what influences your opinion." - David Crow
Never mind - my own stupidity is the source of every "problem" - Mixturecheers, Alok Gupta VC Forum Q&A :- I/IV Support CRY- Child Relief and You
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but little costlier.. what u say.. but i found it quite user friendly
"If it were machines, the pair_programming seem to work, but for humans it is pair_crackdown that seems to work! " - Nisamudheen
"Opinions are neither right nor wrong. I cannot change your opinion. I can, however, change what influences your opinion." - David Crow
Never mind - my own stupidity is the source of every "problem" - Mixturecheers, Alok Gupta VC Forum Q&A :- I/IV Support CRY- Child Relief and You
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First, the iPhone has an FTP CLIENT, no FTP Server (with a server, i can acces my pocket pc from any pc with internet). Second, it doesn't run a SQL Lite. It has an SQL Lite CLIENT, so it can connect to an SQL Lite database that is NOT IN THE DEVICE. On a pocket pc you have the SQL Server ON THE DEVICE. The database and the server are on de pocket pc. And a portable computer can run other OS, not only Windows. There are a lot of portable computers that run portable versions of Linux, for example some models of Nokia. And you are right, IS A CELLPHONE. The problem is that the article says that is the best portable pc!! it is only a cellphone!!! Finally, there are only "little" apps for iPhone. For pocket pc's, there are clients for ERP's like SAP. That is a real app, like an app of a computer, and not a "tiny" app for cellphones.
Fisa wrote:
It has an SQL Lite CLIENT, so it can connect to an SQL Lite database that is NOT IN THE DEVICE
Sorry, mate, that's bollocks - the iPhone can certainly host Sqlite databases. And now the iPhone SDK is available, you'll be able to write server software that uses the WiFi interface.
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I'm not making predictions. The author of the article does (the Apple future portable pc...) I'm saying that today, the iPhone is not the "better" portable pc, like the author says. Today there are other devices that are far better in other aspects that are not the design and the easy of use...
Fisa wrote:
the Apple future portable pc
Fisa wrote:
I'm saying that today, the iPhone is not the "better" portable pc
for who, for what? You are saying PC and then talking Windows Mobile, or desktop PCs and then saying they are not the same, agreed, but for who are you comparing? Are you demanding everying agree with you because you don't like the iPhone? I think the iPhone's influence is still open... just look at what it has sparked: http://www.nvidia.com/object/hh_games_demos.html[^] of course that phone doesn't exist yet, but the processor and video and prototype does. nVidia gambled on the draw of the iPhone in useability being its market place also... of course it didn't hurt buying out two companies doing cell phone related technologies.... :laugh: Anyhow. What has happened so far is that the iPhone surprised everyone with its volume sales from day one. That has created other hardware vendors to revamp market appeal, and hardware to be "more iPhone like" trying to cash in. Given this mass push of hardware vendors to try to win over the iPhone market back from apple, I would say it is doing quite well. As for "future personal computer" 50 years ago that was a unit that filled a room and did less than an iPhone. Where the iPhone will go, time will tell, but its influence is already quite remarkable. So if you consider the influence of the iPhone as equivalent to the influence of the first IBM-PC, I would say that the iPhone has already outsold and outmarketed its historic predicessor that brought computing power out of the back room and onto the desk. Now we are going into the pocket fast and easy. I have known too many people to be unhappy with palm and windows mobile phones because they are too difficult to learn, windows OS designed for larger scale units just doesn't scale down well. The iPhone was designed for the package presentation from software to hardware. And the sales respectively agree that its influence is remarkable. I think its influence is only beginning. I expect a new set of lineups of smart phones each with intuitive and glitzy user interfaces, trying to beat each other over scraps left over from the iPhone marketshare. Even if they eventually win, I think the iPhone has indeed changed th
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Hello! I read the last daily news, and i'm very ungry about one of the articles, that called "10 broken technology ideas -- and how to fix them". The first point talks abaut portable pc's. After reading it, i'm fully convinced that someone that knows nothing about that wrote this article! (i guess that he knows a lot about other things, but no about portable devices) Apple iPhone a "computer"??? It's only a beautifull cellphone, has nothing more than that!!!! And talk about smartphones, pocket pcs and UMPC's like they were all the same thing?? They are complete different worlds!! Being an expert in this topic, i must give you my opinion: - Smartphones: cellphones with something more, the future of massive communication devices, for the common people (the iPhone is here). Some pocket pcs are in the massive category too, with great innovative interfaces, like the HTC Touch, that have a lot more functions than an iPhone, are cheaper, and easy to use. - Pocket Pcs and similars: future of mobile bussines applications. They have the mobility and the capability to run complex bussines applications. I develop that kind of solutions, and i know how much you can do with a pocket pc. Belive me, is more than the most of the IT people thinks (we have apps that are capable to take to the hand all the information required for a mobile warrior: customers, stock, accounts, reports, real time information, sells, etc) - UMPCs and similars: they are still starting, and their place on the market is still not defined, but some of them are better like portable media devices, and other are better for bussines apps. The blackberrys are something temporal. They are good for mobile e-mail, but nothing more. And you can have mobile e-mail (push e-mail) on a pocket pc too, using Exchange Server, is nothing new (exists before Blackberry). They are transforming to pocket pcs, there are new versions that run Windows Mobile, so the actual Blackberry models are a "temporal" kind of device. The iPhone is the better portable computer today?... well, knowing the portable world today, nothing is more far away than that. It's not even a computer... A pocket pc is more close to a portable pc. For example, with .net, an app that runs on a pocket pc, runs on a pc too (there is nothig more close to a pc on your hand than that). The actual portable pcs are no "perfect", but are great to the objetive that are made. There are devices for every need. What do you think? PS: sorry about my bad english, i speak spanish XD
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