.NET 3.What?
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I received a resume today where the applicant said he had experience in C# 3.5. It just hurt, you know, deep down.
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ROFL!!!! Don't you get teased to reply him with a very explanatory reason why you will not interview him so he won't make the same mistake again?
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May be his mean that he has experience in .NET 3.5 and using C# programming language and this guy don't know that C# version is different from .NEt version or it can be a typo. I think it does not matter if he is a good programmer and can do program for you. Thanks and Regards, Ajit
I disagree, if you want to work with something you must at least know a bit of what you are talking about, it doesn't matter if he is an expert in JAVA and knows nothing of C# if that is what he is going to work with. First, learn the language/tool, then you can go for it. This just proves he "lied" about his expertise and I think that is enough reason to not give him a job.
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I was extremely surprised to find out that a majority of developers did not have a clear understanding of .NET versions and CLR versions. A majority of people I talked to in conferences (MIX and ODC) somehow thought that .NET 3.5 has a different runtime or that it had a separate set of (non LINQ) framework classes (System.Data, System.Web etc) than .NET 2.0 SP 1. I had hard time explaining that System.Web in .NET 3.5 is same as System.Web in .NET 2.0 SP1. Wasn't the purpose of naming conventions to cause less confusion among developers in the first place?
You have, what I would term, a very formal turn of phrase not seen in these isles since the old King passed from this world to the next. martin_hughes on VDK
I am certainly in the "no clear understanding" category. WinFX extensions what? I'll have to go read up on that. I'm currently trying to claw my way into gaining some experience with .NET framework 1.1 (it's tough at my company, we don't have enough developers and we're mostly mired in maintenance), but I didn't know that there were multiple version numbers that we need to worry about now. I thought it was bad enough that users need a .NET Framework in order to run our product.
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Like how they went from 98 to 2000 to XP to Vista to ... 7?
Isn't it only code name? Do you think it will be sold as Windows 7?
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I am certainly in the "no clear understanding" category. WinFX extensions what? I'll have to go read up on that. I'm currently trying to claw my way into gaining some experience with .NET framework 1.1 (it's tough at my company, we don't have enough developers and we're mostly mired in maintenance), but I didn't know that there were multiple version numbers that we need to worry about now. I thought it was bad enough that users need a .NET Framework in order to run our product.
Skip 1.1 experience. Start with 2.0. Everything that uses .Net 1.1 is no longer supported practically. Despite the confusion...there's a great reference on what .Net 3.5 is here: .Net 3.5 Namespaces PDF Download[^] In the lower right, you'll see a circle with some colors. That does an excellent job of showing you that .Net 3.5 is .Net 2.0 with "added stuff". I was confused on the subject for a while, but this really cleared it up for me.
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I just wanted to have a brief rant. ahem. I think naming the WinFX extensions ".NET 3.0" (that work on the 2.0 CLR) instead of .NET 2.5 was dumb, and then naming the next version .NET 3.5 instead of 3.0 and having it run on the 2.0 CLR instead of the 3.0 CLR wasn't quite dumb, just messy. End of rant. (For the explanation read Brad Adams' blog entry[^])
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Chris, Here's another confusing bit: WPF 1.0 was part of .NET 3, right? Ok, fine. .NET 3.5 comes out, and now it's called WPF 3.5! Ha! While I agree it's confusing that the CLR, .NET framework, the languages, and the various APIs like WPF all have their own versions that makes it confusing, I do remember devs were complaining that leaving it "WinFX" was confusing. I remember a Slashdot article where everyone was like, "WinFX? What ever happened to .NET? I guess that means .NET failed! Woo! Down with M$!" So I guess I'm not sure of a better way to do this. If the CLR, .NET framework, languages, and APIs all shared the same version number, one could not increment version number without all of them incrementing. Which would mean C# 3 would be the same as C# 2, which seems equally confusing.
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This will to some extent damper adoption. I cant imagine attempting to explain the deployment and technology to my clients. Ideally, I'd like to say we are using version X of product Y without having to worry about runtime and framework version requirements.
Although I've never done any .NET development, I think that WinFX was the original (pre-release) name for version 1 of the .NET framework. It's possible that they released a new product by the same name, but I've never heard of it.
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This is easy to explain. Before Windows 2000, the business OS was just numbered NT {version number}, like NT 3.11, NT 3.5 and NT 4.0. Win 2000 is really NT 5.0. XP is really NT 5.1, and that's when the business OS and the consumer OS came together and the DOS based OS was finally gone. Well, if you can see the trend, Vista is really NT 6 and so the next version would be called 7 internally, later given some not-so-fancy name by marketing. It appears that the jump between major build numbers is hard for people to do. If you remember, back a few (8) years ago, the transition between NT4 to 2000 was pretty significant, just like the transition between XP and Vista is now. And people were slow to adopt Win2k as well. Maybe the difference is that people knew that Win2k was much better than NT4, but people today aren't sold on Vista being much, if any, better than XP. I am in the small minority of people that actually like Vista.
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Me too - the only problem I have with Vista is that my display driver gets a little glitched when I try to connect a projector to the video-out port on my laptop - sometimes I get no signal. For everything else, I love it.
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That's a great petition and, had I known about it, I would've signed it! I'm beginning to think that petitions in general rarely work (can anyone point me to any significant ones that have?)
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Chris, Here's another confusing bit: WPF 1.0 was part of .NET 3, right? Ok, fine. .NET 3.5 comes out, and now it's called WPF 3.5! Ha! While I agree it's confusing that the CLR, .NET framework, the languages, and the various APIs like WPF all have their own versions that makes it confusing, I do remember devs were complaining that leaving it "WinFX" was confusing. I remember a Slashdot article where everyone was like, "WinFX? What ever happened to .NET? I guess that means .NET failed! Woo! Down with M$!" So I guess I'm not sure of a better way to do this. If the CLR, .NET framework, languages, and APIs all shared the same version number, one could not increment version number without all of them incrementing. Which would mean C# 3 would be the same as C# 2, which seems equally confusing.
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Ah, Slashdot. That bastion of intelligent, thoughtful discussions on Microsoft.
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Me too - the only problem I have with Vista is that my display driver gets a little glitched when I try to connect a projector to the video-out port on my laptop - sometimes I get no signal. For everything else, I love it.
Mind you, nVidia did play a huge part in driving Vista's reputation into the ground with their absolutely horrible drivers. Oh, and the fact that people believe Windows hasn't made any technical advancements thanks yet again to the dumb decision to move WinFX to .NET. And yes I do mean a version number of 2010 or what not, not just a product name. .NET supports version number segments of up to 65535, so we might as well.
modified on Thursday, March 13, 2008 4:22 PM
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Chris Maunder wrote:
I've seen "8 years experience in C#".
It is possible. The first beta of .NET 1.0 was released in 2000.
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Mind you, nVidia did play a huge part in driving Vista's reputation into the ground with their absolutely horrible drivers. Oh, and the fact that people believe Windows hasn't made any technical advancements thanks yet again to the dumb decision to move WinFX to .NET. And yes I do mean a version number of 2010 or what not, not just a product name. .NET supports version number segments of up to 65535, so we might as well.
modified on Thursday, March 13, 2008 4:22 PM
reinux wrote:
Mind you, nVidia did play a huge part in driving Vista's reputation into the ground with their absolutely horrible drivers.
Interesting - I never even mentioned that my laptop has a GeForce 8600 card and you're talking about nVidia anyway.
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Ah, Slashdot. That bastion of intelligent, thoughtful discussions on Microsoft.
cheers, Chris Maunder
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I disagree, if you want to work with something you must at least know a bit of what you are talking about, it doesn't matter if he is an expert in JAVA and knows nothing of C# if that is what he is going to work with. First, learn the language/tool, then you can go for it. This just proves he "lied" about his expertise and I think that is enough reason to not give him a job.
Now aggreed. After facing this issue.
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Now aggreed. After facing this issue.
Wow, long time... So, you faced the issue couz it happened to you or someone you were hiring?
