Microsoft should euthanize Vista
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Article here[^] It's a rather droll article. I love statements like this: It slows me as a human because it is so hard to use," said a friend of mine, a Microsoft developer who for obvious reasons does not want to be quoted by name. This developer added that his whole team dislikes Vista, which requires about 15 gigabytes of free hard-drive space on a PC, according to the company. In an age where we have terabyte hard drives, WTF (who, not what) cares about 15G? Now, I'm not defending Vista! About the only two things I like about it is that I can click on the file path in the address bar and it takes me to that location, and when I create a folder for a download it automatically opens the folder. But even that has drawbacks. The address bar usage falls apart when I have a narrow window with large folder names, and I can never remember the keystroke for navigating UP one level. (What idiot decided to remove that icon from Explorer?) Anyways, her conversation with an HP salesperson was amusing, but the article itself is rather worthless. Imagine though, if 5 million CP members signed that petition to keep XP alive "indefinitely"! :laugh: Marc
i like Vista. all the haters can go soak their heads.
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I personally wouldn't go back to XP. I have Vista on both my laptop & desktop (both w/ VS2008) and am quite pleased with it.
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Christian Graus wrote:
I guess the main concern is how much of that ends up in RAM when you boot.
Vista loads some libraries to make programs start faster. This is why it seems like Vista is eating up all your RAM.
Vista loads about 600 MB for its own stuff and every app it considers you'll use is memory cached (afaik it's a mechanism that learns so will take a while for it to do well while start a new up after it's learned will be as slow as XP or something). So in practice all your memory is used, or almost all but most of it actually decently.
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Vista loads about 600 MB for its own stuff and every app it considers you'll use is memory cached (afaik it's a mechanism that learns so will take a while for it to do well while start a new up after it's learned will be as slow as XP or something). So in practice all your memory is used, or almost all but most of it actually decently.
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Article here[^] It's a rather droll article. I love statements like this: It slows me as a human because it is so hard to use," said a friend of mine, a Microsoft developer who for obvious reasons does not want to be quoted by name. This developer added that his whole team dislikes Vista, which requires about 15 gigabytes of free hard-drive space on a PC, according to the company. In an age where we have terabyte hard drives, WTF (who, not what) cares about 15G? Now, I'm not defending Vista! About the only two things I like about it is that I can click on the file path in the address bar and it takes me to that location, and when I create a folder for a download it automatically opens the folder. But even that has drawbacks. The address bar usage falls apart when I have a narrow window with large folder names, and I can never remember the keystroke for navigating UP one level. (What idiot decided to remove that icon from Explorer?) Anyways, her conversation with an HP salesperson was amusing, but the article itself is rather worthless. Imagine though, if 5 million CP members signed that petition to keep XP alive "indefinitely"! :laugh: Marc
I recently migrated to Vista and I would never go back. I really do not get all the whinning. But, given what I know about human nature I chalk it up to luddite-ism.
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Marc Clifton wrote:
In an age where we have terabyte hard drives, WTF (who, not what) cares about 15G?
Ummm, I care - I don't have a 1TB drive in any of my systems. That (15gb install) is 25% of the available space on your standard corporate Dell PC. The Windows folder on my system at work is 10gb (I'm running the Business edition). I'll check my laptop tonight (Home Premium).
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
That (15gb install) is 25% of the available space on your standard corporate Dell PC
Do you know this for a fact or are you basing your figures on the standard corporate Dell PC for running XP? I suspect corporations will upgrade their hardware with the o/s in which case the available space will be more like 150GB which means the o/s still only takes 10% which matches XP (approx 6GB install). Entirely reasonable I think.
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Article here[^] It's a rather droll article. I love statements like this: It slows me as a human because it is so hard to use," said a friend of mine, a Microsoft developer who for obvious reasons does not want to be quoted by name. This developer added that his whole team dislikes Vista, which requires about 15 gigabytes of free hard-drive space on a PC, according to the company. In an age where we have terabyte hard drives, WTF (who, not what) cares about 15G? Now, I'm not defending Vista! About the only two things I like about it is that I can click on the file path in the address bar and it takes me to that location, and when I create a folder for a download it automatically opens the folder. But even that has drawbacks. The address bar usage falls apart when I have a narrow window with large folder names, and I can never remember the keystroke for navigating UP one level. (What idiot decided to remove that icon from Explorer?) Anyways, her conversation with an HP salesperson was amusing, but the article itself is rather worthless. Imagine though, if 5 million CP members signed that petition to keep XP alive "indefinitely"! :laugh: Marc
The missing 'up' button in explorer is my biggest gripe with Vista. The up button was sheer genious, it was a big button that you almost could find blind folded. And now when you got a big directory tree (like every dev has), you have to mess around with the address bar, ugh. A nice example of getting too academic about simple matters.
Wout
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Article here[^] It's a rather droll article. I love statements like this: It slows me as a human because it is so hard to use," said a friend of mine, a Microsoft developer who for obvious reasons does not want to be quoted by name. This developer added that his whole team dislikes Vista, which requires about 15 gigabytes of free hard-drive space on a PC, according to the company. In an age where we have terabyte hard drives, WTF (who, not what) cares about 15G? Now, I'm not defending Vista! About the only two things I like about it is that I can click on the file path in the address bar and it takes me to that location, and when I create a folder for a download it automatically opens the folder. But even that has drawbacks. The address bar usage falls apart when I have a narrow window with large folder names, and I can never remember the keystroke for navigating UP one level. (What idiot decided to remove that icon from Explorer?) Anyways, her conversation with an HP salesperson was amusing, but the article itself is rather worthless. Imagine though, if 5 million CP members signed that petition to keep XP alive "indefinitely"! :laugh: Marc
Vista is good - especially the 64-bit edition. We have conditional variables[^] now :jig:
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You can disable the service, but WHY? The cached apps are dumped instantly when running apps need more memory, so it doesn't affect the performance of running applications at all. Disabling it will only slow the startup of new apps.
You know, every time I tried to win a bar-bet about being able to count to 1000 using my fingers I always got punched out when I reached 4.... -- El Corazon
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You can disable the service, but WHY? The cached apps are dumped instantly when running apps need more memory, so it doesn't affect the performance of running applications at all. Disabling it will only slow the startup of new apps.
You know, every time I tried to win a bar-bet about being able to count to 1000 using my fingers I always got punched out when I reached 4.... -- El Corazon
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John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
That (15gb install) is 25% of the available space on your standard corporate Dell PC
Do you know this for a fact or are you basing your figures on the standard corporate Dell PC for running XP? I suspect corporations will upgrade their hardware with the o/s in which case the available space will be more like 150GB which means the o/s still only takes 10% which matches XP (approx 6GB install). Entirely reasonable I think.
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Are you trying to tell me that corporations will expect to run the latest o/s on 7 year old hardware?
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Article here[^] It's a rather droll article. I love statements like this: It slows me as a human because it is so hard to use," said a friend of mine, a Microsoft developer who for obvious reasons does not want to be quoted by name. This developer added that his whole team dislikes Vista, which requires about 15 gigabytes of free hard-drive space on a PC, according to the company. In an age where we have terabyte hard drives, WTF (who, not what) cares about 15G? Now, I'm not defending Vista! About the only two things I like about it is that I can click on the file path in the address bar and it takes me to that location, and when I create a folder for a download it automatically opens the folder. But even that has drawbacks. The address bar usage falls apart when I have a narrow window with large folder names, and I can never remember the keystroke for navigating UP one level. (What idiot decided to remove that icon from Explorer?) Anyways, her conversation with an HP salesperson was amusing, but the article itself is rather worthless. Imagine though, if 5 million CP members signed that petition to keep XP alive "indefinitely"! :laugh: Marc
Marc Clifton wrote:
WTF (who, not what) cares about 15G?
Me, because the bottleneck isn't disk space.
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Article here[^] It's a rather droll article. I love statements like this: It slows me as a human because it is so hard to use," said a friend of mine, a Microsoft developer who for obvious reasons does not want to be quoted by name. This developer added that his whole team dislikes Vista, which requires about 15 gigabytes of free hard-drive space on a PC, according to the company. In an age where we have terabyte hard drives, WTF (who, not what) cares about 15G? Now, I'm not defending Vista! About the only two things I like about it is that I can click on the file path in the address bar and it takes me to that location, and when I create a folder for a download it automatically opens the folder. But even that has drawbacks. The address bar usage falls apart when I have a narrow window with large folder names, and I can never remember the keystroke for navigating UP one level. (What idiot decided to remove that icon from Explorer?) Anyways, her conversation with an HP salesperson was amusing, but the article itself is rather worthless. Imagine though, if 5 million CP members signed that petition to keep XP alive "indefinitely"! :laugh: Marc
Marc Clifton wrote:
...and I can never remember the keystroke for navigating UP one level.
Alt+Left Arrow
Marc Clifton wrote:
(What idiot decided to remove that icon from Explorer?)
Unless your view has changed, it should be in the upper-left corner. At least that's the way it is for me.
"Love people and use things, not love things and use people." - Unknown
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Marc Clifton wrote:
...and I can never remember the keystroke for navigating UP one level.
Alt+Left Arrow
Marc Clifton wrote:
(What idiot decided to remove that icon from Explorer?)
Unless your view has changed, it should be in the upper-left corner. At least that's the way it is for me.
"Love people and use things, not love things and use people." - Unknown
"To have a respect for ourselves guides our morals; to have deference for others governs our manners." - Laurence Sterne
DavidCrow wrote:
Unless your view has changed, it should be in the upper-left corner. At least that's the way it is for me.
No, that's the "back" button, not the "navigate up one level in the current path" button. [edit] Taking a hint from your Alt-Left suggestion, what I want (and should have been obvious) is Alt-Up. And that's not on the toolbar thingy. [/edit] Marc
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DavidCrow wrote:
Unless your view has changed, it should be in the upper-left corner. At least that's the way it is for me.
No, that's the "back" button, not the "navigate up one level in the current path" button. [edit] Taking a hint from your Alt-Left suggestion, what I want (and should have been obvious) is Alt-Up. And that's not on the toolbar thingy. [/edit] Marc
Marc Clifton wrote:
No, that's the "back" button, not the "navigate up one level in the current path" button.
My bad. I only use Vista an hour or two per week and now is not that hour.
"Love people and use things, not love things and use people." - Unknown
"To have a respect for ourselves guides our morals; to have deference for others governs our manners." - Laurence Sterne
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Marc Clifton wrote:
No, that's the "back" button, not the "navigate up one level in the current path" button.
My bad. I only use Vista an hour or two per week and now is not that hour.
"Love people and use things, not love things and use people." - Unknown
"To have a respect for ourselves guides our morals; to have deference for others governs our manners." - Laurence Sterne
DavidCrow wrote:
My bad. I only use Vista an hour or two per week and now is not that hour.
Lucky you. But don't feel bad. I found the answer thanks to your suggestion. Marc
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The missing 'up' button in explorer is my biggest gripe with Vista. The up button was sheer genious, it was a big button that you almost could find blind folded. And now when you got a big directory tree (like every dev has), you have to mess around with the address bar, ugh. A nice example of getting too academic about simple matters.
Wout
I personally do not see the problem. There is the folder name in the address bar to click on to move up a folder which is often what I would use, but if that is not good enough, you can simply hit ALT-UPARROW and move up a folder. For me though, I do not spend near as much time navigating folders anymore with the new Favorite Links pane. I have most of my main destinations there so that I can click and be right where I want to do without having to navigate to them. Really Cool and very easy to use!
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Marc Clifton wrote:
...and I can never remember the keystroke for navigating UP one level.
Alt+Left Arrow
Marc Clifton wrote:
(What idiot decided to remove that icon from Explorer?)
Unless your view has changed, it should be in the upper-left corner. At least that's the way it is for me.
"Love people and use things, not love things and use people." - Unknown
"To have a respect for ourselves guides our morals; to have deference for others governs our manners." - Laurence Sterne
DavidCrow wrote:
Forum:The Lounge Subject:Re: Microsoft should euthanize Vista Sender:DavidCrow Date:Thursday, May 8, 2008 7:48 AM Marc Clifton wrote: ...and I can never remember the keystroke for navigating UP one level. Alt+Left Arrow
ALT-UPARROW Moves up one folder. Usually when I want this feature I just click on the previous folder name in the address bar. Of course, witht he backbutton able to move where I was previously, I seldom have a need to move up a folder.
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You can disable the service, but WHY? The cached apps are dumped instantly when running apps need more memory, so it doesn't affect the performance of running applications at all. Disabling it will only slow the startup of new apps.
You know, every time I tried to win a bar-bet about being able to count to 1000 using my fingers I always got punched out when I reached 4.... -- El Corazon
Well, pre-SP1 Vista was caching the ISO image of Visual Studio 2008 that I had loaded with Daemon Tools. It did so even though the image was no longer mounted.