Microsoft should euthanize Vista
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Marc Clifton wrote:
In an age where we have terabyte hard drives, WTF (who, not what) cares about 15G?
Ummm, I care - I don't have a 1TB drive in any of my systems. That (15gb install) is 25% of the available space on your standard corporate Dell PC. The Windows folder on my system at work is 10gb (I'm running the Business edition). I'll check my laptop tonight (Home Premium).
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
That (15gb install) is 25% of the available space on your standard corporate Dell PC
Do you know this for a fact or are you basing your figures on the standard corporate Dell PC for running XP? I suspect corporations will upgrade their hardware with the o/s in which case the available space will be more like 150GB which means the o/s still only takes 10% which matches XP (approx 6GB install). Entirely reasonable I think.
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Article here[^] It's a rather droll article. I love statements like this: It slows me as a human because it is so hard to use," said a friend of mine, a Microsoft developer who for obvious reasons does not want to be quoted by name. This developer added that his whole team dislikes Vista, which requires about 15 gigabytes of free hard-drive space on a PC, according to the company. In an age where we have terabyte hard drives, WTF (who, not what) cares about 15G? Now, I'm not defending Vista! About the only two things I like about it is that I can click on the file path in the address bar and it takes me to that location, and when I create a folder for a download it automatically opens the folder. But even that has drawbacks. The address bar usage falls apart when I have a narrow window with large folder names, and I can never remember the keystroke for navigating UP one level. (What idiot decided to remove that icon from Explorer?) Anyways, her conversation with an HP salesperson was amusing, but the article itself is rather worthless. Imagine though, if 5 million CP members signed that petition to keep XP alive "indefinitely"! :laugh: Marc
The missing 'up' button in explorer is my biggest gripe with Vista. The up button was sheer genious, it was a big button that you almost could find blind folded. And now when you got a big directory tree (like every dev has), you have to mess around with the address bar, ugh. A nice example of getting too academic about simple matters.
Wout
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Article here[^] It's a rather droll article. I love statements like this: It slows me as a human because it is so hard to use," said a friend of mine, a Microsoft developer who for obvious reasons does not want to be quoted by name. This developer added that his whole team dislikes Vista, which requires about 15 gigabytes of free hard-drive space on a PC, according to the company. In an age where we have terabyte hard drives, WTF (who, not what) cares about 15G? Now, I'm not defending Vista! About the only two things I like about it is that I can click on the file path in the address bar and it takes me to that location, and when I create a folder for a download it automatically opens the folder. But even that has drawbacks. The address bar usage falls apart when I have a narrow window with large folder names, and I can never remember the keystroke for navigating UP one level. (What idiot decided to remove that icon from Explorer?) Anyways, her conversation with an HP salesperson was amusing, but the article itself is rather worthless. Imagine though, if 5 million CP members signed that petition to keep XP alive "indefinitely"! :laugh: Marc
Vista is good - especially the 64-bit edition. We have conditional variables[^] now :jig:
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You can disable the service, but WHY? The cached apps are dumped instantly when running apps need more memory, so it doesn't affect the performance of running applications at all. Disabling it will only slow the startup of new apps.
You know, every time I tried to win a bar-bet about being able to count to 1000 using my fingers I always got punched out when I reached 4.... -- El Corazon
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You can disable the service, but WHY? The cached apps are dumped instantly when running apps need more memory, so it doesn't affect the performance of running applications at all. Disabling it will only slow the startup of new apps.
You know, every time I tried to win a bar-bet about being able to count to 1000 using my fingers I always got punched out when I reached 4.... -- El Corazon
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John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
That (15gb install) is 25% of the available space on your standard corporate Dell PC
Do you know this for a fact or are you basing your figures on the standard corporate Dell PC for running XP? I suspect corporations will upgrade their hardware with the o/s in which case the available space will be more like 150GB which means the o/s still only takes 10% which matches XP (approx 6GB install). Entirely reasonable I think.
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Are you trying to tell me that corporations will expect to run the latest o/s on 7 year old hardware?
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Article here[^] It's a rather droll article. I love statements like this: It slows me as a human because it is so hard to use," said a friend of mine, a Microsoft developer who for obvious reasons does not want to be quoted by name. This developer added that his whole team dislikes Vista, which requires about 15 gigabytes of free hard-drive space on a PC, according to the company. In an age where we have terabyte hard drives, WTF (who, not what) cares about 15G? Now, I'm not defending Vista! About the only two things I like about it is that I can click on the file path in the address bar and it takes me to that location, and when I create a folder for a download it automatically opens the folder. But even that has drawbacks. The address bar usage falls apart when I have a narrow window with large folder names, and I can never remember the keystroke for navigating UP one level. (What idiot decided to remove that icon from Explorer?) Anyways, her conversation with an HP salesperson was amusing, but the article itself is rather worthless. Imagine though, if 5 million CP members signed that petition to keep XP alive "indefinitely"! :laugh: Marc
Marc Clifton wrote:
WTF (who, not what) cares about 15G?
Me, because the bottleneck isn't disk space.
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Article here[^] It's a rather droll article. I love statements like this: It slows me as a human because it is so hard to use," said a friend of mine, a Microsoft developer who for obvious reasons does not want to be quoted by name. This developer added that his whole team dislikes Vista, which requires about 15 gigabytes of free hard-drive space on a PC, according to the company. In an age where we have terabyte hard drives, WTF (who, not what) cares about 15G? Now, I'm not defending Vista! About the only two things I like about it is that I can click on the file path in the address bar and it takes me to that location, and when I create a folder for a download it automatically opens the folder. But even that has drawbacks. The address bar usage falls apart when I have a narrow window with large folder names, and I can never remember the keystroke for navigating UP one level. (What idiot decided to remove that icon from Explorer?) Anyways, her conversation with an HP salesperson was amusing, but the article itself is rather worthless. Imagine though, if 5 million CP members signed that petition to keep XP alive "indefinitely"! :laugh: Marc
Marc Clifton wrote:
...and I can never remember the keystroke for navigating UP one level.
Alt+Left Arrow
Marc Clifton wrote:
(What idiot decided to remove that icon from Explorer?)
Unless your view has changed, it should be in the upper-left corner. At least that's the way it is for me.
"Love people and use things, not love things and use people." - Unknown
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Marc Clifton wrote:
...and I can never remember the keystroke for navigating UP one level.
Alt+Left Arrow
Marc Clifton wrote:
(What idiot decided to remove that icon from Explorer?)
Unless your view has changed, it should be in the upper-left corner. At least that's the way it is for me.
"Love people and use things, not love things and use people." - Unknown
"To have a respect for ourselves guides our morals; to have deference for others governs our manners." - Laurence Sterne
DavidCrow wrote:
Unless your view has changed, it should be in the upper-left corner. At least that's the way it is for me.
No, that's the "back" button, not the "navigate up one level in the current path" button. [edit] Taking a hint from your Alt-Left suggestion, what I want (and should have been obvious) is Alt-Up. And that's not on the toolbar thingy. [/edit] Marc
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DavidCrow wrote:
Unless your view has changed, it should be in the upper-left corner. At least that's the way it is for me.
No, that's the "back" button, not the "navigate up one level in the current path" button. [edit] Taking a hint from your Alt-Left suggestion, what I want (and should have been obvious) is Alt-Up. And that's not on the toolbar thingy. [/edit] Marc
Marc Clifton wrote:
No, that's the "back" button, not the "navigate up one level in the current path" button.
My bad. I only use Vista an hour or two per week and now is not that hour.
"Love people and use things, not love things and use people." - Unknown
"To have a respect for ourselves guides our morals; to have deference for others governs our manners." - Laurence Sterne
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Marc Clifton wrote:
No, that's the "back" button, not the "navigate up one level in the current path" button.
My bad. I only use Vista an hour or two per week and now is not that hour.
"Love people and use things, not love things and use people." - Unknown
"To have a respect for ourselves guides our morals; to have deference for others governs our manners." - Laurence Sterne
DavidCrow wrote:
My bad. I only use Vista an hour or two per week and now is not that hour.
Lucky you. But don't feel bad. I found the answer thanks to your suggestion. Marc
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The missing 'up' button in explorer is my biggest gripe with Vista. The up button was sheer genious, it was a big button that you almost could find blind folded. And now when you got a big directory tree (like every dev has), you have to mess around with the address bar, ugh. A nice example of getting too academic about simple matters.
Wout
I personally do not see the problem. There is the folder name in the address bar to click on to move up a folder which is often what I would use, but if that is not good enough, you can simply hit ALT-UPARROW and move up a folder. For me though, I do not spend near as much time navigating folders anymore with the new Favorite Links pane. I have most of my main destinations there so that I can click and be right where I want to do without having to navigate to them. Really Cool and very easy to use!
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Marc Clifton wrote:
...and I can never remember the keystroke for navigating UP one level.
Alt+Left Arrow
Marc Clifton wrote:
(What idiot decided to remove that icon from Explorer?)
Unless your view has changed, it should be in the upper-left corner. At least that's the way it is for me.
"Love people and use things, not love things and use people." - Unknown
"To have a respect for ourselves guides our morals; to have deference for others governs our manners." - Laurence Sterne
DavidCrow wrote:
Forum:The Lounge Subject:Re: Microsoft should euthanize Vista Sender:DavidCrow Date:Thursday, May 8, 2008 7:48 AM Marc Clifton wrote: ...and I can never remember the keystroke for navigating UP one level. Alt+Left Arrow
ALT-UPARROW Moves up one folder. Usually when I want this feature I just click on the previous folder name in the address bar. Of course, witht he backbutton able to move where I was previously, I seldom have a need to move up a folder.
Rocky <>< Blog Post: Handy utility app that is always on my machines! Tech Blog Post: Microsoft Live Writer Plug-ins!
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You can disable the service, but WHY? The cached apps are dumped instantly when running apps need more memory, so it doesn't affect the performance of running applications at all. Disabling it will only slow the startup of new apps.
You know, every time I tried to win a bar-bet about being able to count to 1000 using my fingers I always got punched out when I reached 4.... -- El Corazon
Well, pre-SP1 Vista was caching the ISO image of Visual Studio 2008 that I had loaded with Daemon Tools. It did so even though the image was no longer mounted.
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Article here[^] It's a rather droll article. I love statements like this: It slows me as a human because it is so hard to use," said a friend of mine, a Microsoft developer who for obvious reasons does not want to be quoted by name. This developer added that his whole team dislikes Vista, which requires about 15 gigabytes of free hard-drive space on a PC, according to the company. In an age where we have terabyte hard drives, WTF (who, not what) cares about 15G? Now, I'm not defending Vista! About the only two things I like about it is that I can click on the file path in the address bar and it takes me to that location, and when I create a folder for a download it automatically opens the folder. But even that has drawbacks. The address bar usage falls apart when I have a narrow window with large folder names, and I can never remember the keystroke for navigating UP one level. (What idiot decided to remove that icon from Explorer?) Anyways, her conversation with an HP salesperson was amusing, but the article itself is rather worthless. Imagine though, if 5 million CP members signed that petition to keep XP alive "indefinitely"! :laugh: Marc
I have never really understood and the fighting about Vista. I know we went through well over a year or two of it for XP as well when so many people were trashing it. It seems a lot of those same people are now bashing Vista while hanging on to XP :) For me, I have used it since the betas and the 64 bit version I use has worked quite well for years now. It has been quite a stable development environment along with quite a bit of polish from the old legacy versions. There are a few things I use such as the Full Backup option that does not exist on prior versions of Windows and the power of 64 bit applications. But as for Vista itself, I do not see a lot of huge differences between it and other versions of Windows. One of the biggest changes I love is IIS7 and the ability to have unlimited number of websites on a single box without having to run a server OS. That is great for development! For me, it has been all the little changes, the polish that Vista brings to Windows. Simple things like a search feature on the Start Menu so you do not have to navigate all those menus to find an app you do not use often. Then there is the new file Explorer that really helps get around the file system, the Favorite Links pane is great feature (one I use all the time) along with the new path drop downs in the address bar to navigate up or down the path. Then there is being able to continue on coping files even if one errors out, that has always been a pain on prior versions of Windows. It is all those little type of things that makes Vista an important upgrade to me. To me it is the most polished and finished version of Windows yet.
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Article here[^] It's a rather droll article. I love statements like this: It slows me as a human because it is so hard to use," said a friend of mine, a Microsoft developer who for obvious reasons does not want to be quoted by name. This developer added that his whole team dislikes Vista, which requires about 15 gigabytes of free hard-drive space on a PC, according to the company. In an age where we have terabyte hard drives, WTF (who, not what) cares about 15G? Now, I'm not defending Vista! About the only two things I like about it is that I can click on the file path in the address bar and it takes me to that location, and when I create a folder for a download it automatically opens the folder. But even that has drawbacks. The address bar usage falls apart when I have a narrow window with large folder names, and I can never remember the keystroke for navigating UP one level. (What idiot decided to remove that icon from Explorer?) Anyways, her conversation with an HP salesperson was amusing, but the article itself is rather worthless. Imagine though, if 5 million CP members signed that petition to keep XP alive "indefinitely"! :laugh: Marc