do you use goto? [modified]

[Philip Laureano]

Pakl wrote:

I am interested if you are using goto's (or know someone who does?). Opinions?

I only use GOTOs in IL or ILASM where it is absolutely necessary. Otherwise, a standard 'if' statement is the simplest way to get things done.

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[Rajesh R Subramanian]

Actually, goto isn't *that* bad. In fact, MFC Framework code uses goto for handling initialization failures. But, I'll agree if you say that one will need goto very very very rarely. :)

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[Lost User]

Quoted from Wikipedia:

"...In defense of GOTO statements, others have noted that the restrained use of GOTO does not necessarily lead to poor quality code, and also argue that there are some tasks that cannot be straightforwardly accomplished in many programming languages without the use of one or more GOTO statements, such as implementing finite state machines, breaking out of nested loops and exception handling."

The good old GOTO has not been eliminated from modern languages because it's useful. The quality and readability of any code does not stand and fall with the use of GOTO or any other thing. Both depend more on the knowledge, skill and dicipline of the programmer. Rules like not to use GOTO are supposed to help us with reaching those goals, but they are not religious dogmas and should therefore not be seen as such. Often I have seen really clumsy code when somebody went out of his way to obey some rule at all cost. But there should be one more rule: Think about what you are doing, use whatever suits the task best and give the rest of the world some hints by providing documentation and / or meaningful code comments. Then to use or not to use GOTOs would be less of an issue.

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[CPallini]

Yes, sometimes, writing C code. IMHO:"You must never use goto!" maybe a rule for the newbie, experienced developers can safely drop it. :)

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[hairy_hats]

Yes, but I didn't inhale.

[Vikram A Punathambekar]

Rule #1: Don't use goto. Rule #2: Know when to break Rule #1. Personally, I haven't come across an instance where I had to follow Rule #2.

Cheers, Vikram.

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[Mustafa Ismail Mustafa]

So rare that its basically extinct?

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[Rajesh R Subramanian]

I know I owe you an email. It's still in my drafts folder. Will send it off. :)

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[Mustafa Ismail Mustafa]

Yes, but the rules (as Vikram so adequately pointed out in his post below) is not for the exceptions but for the general case. Besides, Personally, I'd go for Judy's method (following the link you posted) as opposed to the goto method. Ugly as sin it may be but I find it readable and it maintains "the rule".

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[Lost User]

Justify? Before whom? If something serves the task at hand better than anything else then use it. How about letting those who try to enforce some rules at all price let do the justifying for a change? You might discover that many just howl with the wolves, but don't actually know why. In my opinion many of the rules are not written in stone. They are supposed to help us, but chaos does not automatically break lose if you decide to ignore them.

A while ago he asked me what he should have printed on my business cards. I said 'Wizard'. I read books which nobody else understand. Then I do something which nobody understands. After that the computer does something which nobody understands. When asked, I say things about the results which nobody understand. But everybody expects miracles from me on a regular basis. Looks to me like the classical definition of a wizard.

[Philip Laureano]

Vikram A Punathambekar wrote:

Rule #1: Don't use goto. Rule #2: Know when to break Rule #1.

Rule #3: Never goto #2.

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[Vikram A Punathambekar]

Rajesh R Subramanian wrote:

I know I owe you an email.

The PHB thing? :~ Anyway, send it off; I'll read it tonight.

Cheers, Vikram.

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[Anna Jayne Metcalfe]

No. I've simply never found a need for it in any reasonably coherant programming language.

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[Vikram A Punathambekar]

:groaaaaan: But that warranted a 5! :-D

Cheers, Vikram.

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[fboule]

My opinion in using gotos is like C programming: it is up to the programmer to code properly. Some are so skilled to write ugly C code. If used properly, goto can could may might have a place in our hearts. E.g. the MS-DOS batch script below (tested on WinXP):

@echo off
set i=0

:loop
set /a i=%i%+1
echo Loop %i%
if not %i% == 10 goto :loop

[Marc Clifton]

As in "go to h***" when I see someone using goto. Marc

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[Graham Shanks]

Graham Bradshaw wrote:

Not explicitly, anyway. If you've ever used a C break or continue, implicitly you have, since break and continue are simply goto's with an implicit label that is just outside or inside the current end of scope.

By that reckoning anyone using an if ... then ... else is also using a goto. The argument is not that "jump" statements in a program are not required (in any non-trivial program they are unavoidable), but that structured programming constructs rather than the goto statment lead to more understandable programs. As Dijkstra said in his original letter[^] - "The go to statement as it stands is just too primitive, it is too much an invitation to make a mess of one's program." I haven't used a goto statement since I gave up programming in Basic

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[Rajesh R Subramanian]

Again, not really. I've encountered situations (even recently) where I felt that a few goto statements will save me from writing a buttload of ugly nested if-if-if statements.

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[Gene OK]

Doesn't bother me at all to use goto. I haven't found a c++ compiler that doesn't support them. They're not evil, just one more programming construct. If it saves me 100 or 10 or even one line of code, I'll use a goto without thinking twice.

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[Rage]

fboule wrote:

the MS-DOS batch script below

If under XP, then use a for loop to do that.

~RaGE();

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