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  • P Patrick Klug

    Hey guys, My former team mate used goto's quite often (to my despair). I just published a small post on when to (not) use goto on my blog[^] where I try to look at this in a pragmatic way. I am interested if you are using goto's (or know someone who does?). Opinions? cheers, Pakl PS: This is just a blunt advertisment for my blog so I can lure you into it and become rich and famous. :-\

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    modified on Monday, May 19, 2008 4:44 AM

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    Yes, but I didn't inhale.

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    • P Patrick Klug

      Hey guys, My former team mate used goto's quite often (to my despair). I just published a small post on when to (not) use goto on my blog[^] where I try to look at this in a pragmatic way. I am interested if you are using goto's (or know someone who does?). Opinions? cheers, Pakl PS: This is just a blunt advertisment for my blog so I can lure you into it and become rich and famous. :-\

      Listen to the toad! www.dotnettoad.com[^]

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      Vikram A Punathambekar
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      Rule #1: Don't use goto. Rule #2: Know when to break Rule #1. Personally, I haven't come across an instance where I had to follow Rule #2.

      Cheers, Vikram.


      The hands that help are holier than the lips that pray.

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      • R Rajesh R Subramanian

        Actually, goto isn't *that* bad. In fact, MFC Framework code uses goto for handling initialization failures. But, I'll agree if you say that one will need goto very very very rarely. :)

        Nobody can give you wiser advice than yourself. - Cicero .·´¯`·->Rajesh<-·´¯`·. Codeproject.com: Visual C++ MVP

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        Mustafa Ismail Mustafa
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        So rare that its basically extinct?

        "Every time Lotus Notes starts up, somewhere a puppy, a kitten, a lamb, and a baby seal are killed. Lotus Notes is a conspiracy by the forces of Satan to drive us over the brink into madness. The CRC-32 for each file in the installation includes the numbers 666." Gary Wheeler "You're an idiot." John Simmons, THE Outlaw programmer "I realised that all of my best anecdotes started with "So there we were, pissed". Pete O'Hanlon

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        • V Vikram A Punathambekar

          Rule #1: Don't use goto. Rule #2: Know when to break Rule #1. Personally, I haven't come across an instance where I had to follow Rule #2.

          Cheers, Vikram.


          The hands that help are holier than the lips that pray.

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          Rajesh R Subramanian
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          I know I owe you an email. It's still in my drafts folder. Will send it off. :)

          Nobody can give you wiser advice than yourself. - Cicero .·´¯`·->Rajesh<-·´¯`·. Codeproject.com: Visual C++ MVP

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          • R Rajesh R Subramanian

            In a situation like this[^], I *will* use goto. And yes, I know what I'm doing.

            Nobody can give you wiser advice than yourself. - Cicero .·´¯`·->Rajesh<-·´¯`·. Codeproject.com: Visual C++ MVP

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            Mustafa Ismail Mustafa
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            Yes, but the rules (as Vikram so adequately pointed out in his post below) is not for the exceptions but for the general case. Besides, Personally, I'd go for Judy's method (following the link you posted) as opposed to the goto method. Ugly as sin it may be but I find it readable and it maintains "the rule".

            "Every time Lotus Notes starts up, somewhere a puppy, a kitten, a lamb, and a baby seal are killed. Lotus Notes is a conspiracy by the forces of Satan to drive us over the brink into madness. The CRC-32 for each file in the installation includes the numbers 666." Gary Wheeler "You're an idiot." John Simmons, THE Outlaw programmer "I realised that all of my best anecdotes started with "So there we were, pissed". Pete O'Hanlon

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            • J Jorgen Andersson

              I don't use Goto and I get rashes when I see one. So, how about Exit/Break? Is that justifiable?

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              Lost User
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              Justify? Before whom? If something serves the task at hand better than anything else then use it. How about letting those who try to enforce some rules at all price let do the justifying for a change? You might discover that many just howl with the wolves, but don't actually know why. In my opinion many of the rules are not written in stone. They are supposed to help us, but chaos does not automatically break lose if you decide to ignore them.

              A while ago he asked me what he should have printed on my business cards. I said 'Wizard'. I read books which nobody else understand. Then I do something which nobody understands. After that the computer does something which nobody understands. When asked, I say things about the results which nobody understand. But everybody expects miracles from me on a regular basis. Looks to me like the classical definition of a wizard.

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              • V Vikram A Punathambekar

                Rule #1: Don't use goto. Rule #2: Know when to break Rule #1. Personally, I haven't come across an instance where I had to follow Rule #2.

                Cheers, Vikram.


                The hands that help are holier than the lips that pray.

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                Philip Laureano
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                Vikram A Punathambekar wrote:

                Rule #1: Don't use goto. Rule #2: Know when to break Rule #1.

                Rule #3: Never goto #2.

                Do you know...LinFu?

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                • R Rajesh R Subramanian

                  I know I owe you an email. It's still in my drafts folder. Will send it off. :)

                  Nobody can give you wiser advice than yourself. - Cicero .·´¯`·->Rajesh<-·´¯`·. Codeproject.com: Visual C++ MVP

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                  Vikram A Punathambekar
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                  Rajesh R Subramanian wrote:

                  I know I owe you an email.

                  The PHB thing? :~ Anyway, send it off; I'll read it tonight.

                  Cheers, Vikram.


                  The hands that help are holier than the lips that pray.

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                  • P Patrick Klug

                    Hey guys, My former team mate used goto's quite often (to my despair). I just published a small post on when to (not) use goto on my blog[^] where I try to look at this in a pragmatic way. I am interested if you are using goto's (or know someone who does?). Opinions? cheers, Pakl PS: This is just a blunt advertisment for my blog so I can lure you into it and become rich and famous. :-\

                    Listen to the toad! www.dotnettoad.com[^]

                    modified on Monday, May 19, 2008 4:44 AM

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                    Anna Jayne Metcalfe
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                    No. I've simply never found a need for it in any reasonably coherant programming language.

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                    • P Philip Laureano

                      Vikram A Punathambekar wrote:

                      Rule #1: Don't use goto. Rule #2: Know when to break Rule #1.

                      Rule #3: Never goto #2.

                      Do you know...LinFu?

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                      Vikram A Punathambekar
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                      :groaaaaan: But that warranted a 5! :-D

                      Cheers, Vikram.


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                      • P Patrick Klug

                        Hey guys, My former team mate used goto's quite often (to my despair). I just published a small post on when to (not) use goto on my blog[^] where I try to look at this in a pragmatic way. I am interested if you are using goto's (or know someone who does?). Opinions? cheers, Pakl PS: This is just a blunt advertisment for my blog so I can lure you into it and become rich and famous. :-\

                        Listen to the toad! www.dotnettoad.com[^]

                        modified on Monday, May 19, 2008 4:44 AM

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                        fboule
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                        My opinion in using gotos is like C programming: it is up to the programmer to code properly. Some are so skilled to write ugly C code. If used properly, goto can could may might have a place in our hearts. E.g. the MS-DOS batch script below (tested on WinXP):

                        @echo off
                        set i=0
                        

                        :loop
                        set /a i=%i%+1
                        echo Loop %i%
                        if not %i% == 10 goto :loop

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                        • G Graham Bradshaw

                          Christian Graus wrote:

                          I've never used goto

                          Not explicitly, anyway. If you've ever used a C break or continue, implicitly you have, since break and continue are simply goto's with an implicit label that is just outside or inside the current end of scope.

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                          Graham Shanks
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                          Graham Bradshaw wrote:

                          Not explicitly, anyway. If you've ever used a C break or continue, implicitly you have, since break and continue are simply goto's with an implicit label that is just outside or inside the current end of scope.

                          By that reckoning anyone using an if ... then ... else is also using a goto. The argument is not that "jump" statements in a program are not required (in any non-trivial program they are unavoidable), but that structured programming constructs rather than the goto statment lead to more understandable programs. As Dijkstra said in his original letter[^] - "The go to statement as it stands is just too primitive, it is too much an invitation to make a mess of one's program." I haven't used a goto statement since I gave up programming in Basic

                          Graham Software gets slower faster than hardware gets faster - Nicklaus Wirth

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                          • P Patrick Klug

                            Hey guys, My former team mate used goto's quite often (to my despair). I just published a small post on when to (not) use goto on my blog[^] where I try to look at this in a pragmatic way. I am interested if you are using goto's (or know someone who does?). Opinions? cheers, Pakl PS: This is just a blunt advertisment for my blog so I can lure you into it and become rich and famous. :-\

                            Listen to the toad! www.dotnettoad.com[^]

                            modified on Monday, May 19, 2008 4:44 AM

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                            Marc Clifton
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                            As in "go to h***" when I see someone using goto. Marc

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                            • M Mustafa Ismail Mustafa

                              So rare that its basically extinct?

                              "Every time Lotus Notes starts up, somewhere a puppy, a kitten, a lamb, and a baby seal are killed. Lotus Notes is a conspiracy by the forces of Satan to drive us over the brink into madness. The CRC-32 for each file in the installation includes the numbers 666." Gary Wheeler "You're an idiot." John Simmons, THE Outlaw programmer "I realised that all of my best anecdotes started with "So there we were, pissed". Pete O'Hanlon

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                              Rajesh R Subramanian
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                              Again, not really. I've encountered situations (even recently) where I felt that a few goto statements will save me from writing a buttload of ugly nested if-if-if statements.

                              Nobody can give you wiser advice than yourself. - Cicero .·´¯`·->Rajesh<-·´¯`·. Codeproject.com: Visual C++ MVP

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                              • P Patrick Klug

                                Hey guys, My former team mate used goto's quite often (to my despair). I just published a small post on when to (not) use goto on my blog[^] where I try to look at this in a pragmatic way. I am interested if you are using goto's (or know someone who does?). Opinions? cheers, Pakl PS: This is just a blunt advertisment for my blog so I can lure you into it and become rich and famous. :-\

                                Listen to the toad! www.dotnettoad.com[^]

                                modified on Monday, May 19, 2008 4:44 AM

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                                Gene OK
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                                Doesn't bother me at all to use goto. I haven't found a c++ compiler that doesn't support them. They're not evil, just one more programming construct. If it saves me 100 or 10 or even one line of code, I'll use a goto without thinking twice.

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                                  My opinion in using gotos is like C programming: it is up to the programmer to code properly. Some are so skilled to write ugly C code. If used properly, goto can could may might have a place in our hearts. E.g. the MS-DOS batch script below (tested on WinXP):

                                  @echo off
                                  set i=0
                                  

                                  :loop
                                  set /a i=%i%+1
                                  echo Loop %i%
                                  if not %i% == 10 goto :loop

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                                  fboule wrote:

                                  the MS-DOS batch script below

                                  If under XP, then use a for loop to do that.

                                  ~RaGE();

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                                  • P Philip Laureano

                                    Vikram A Punathambekar wrote:

                                    Rule #1: Don't use goto. Rule #2: Know when to break Rule #1.

                                    Rule #3: Never goto #2.

                                    Do you know...LinFu?

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                                    Robert Rohde
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                                    Philip Laureano wrote:

                                    Rule #1: Don't use goto. Rule #2: Know when to break Rule #1. Rule #3: Never goto #2.

                                    Do you like recursion? :) Rule #4: Know when to break Rule #3. Rule #5: Never goto #4 Rule #6: Know when to break Rule #5. ... Robert

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                                    • P Patrick Klug

                                      Hey guys, My former team mate used goto's quite often (to my despair). I just published a small post on when to (not) use goto on my blog[^] where I try to look at this in a pragmatic way. I am interested if you are using goto's (or know someone who does?). Opinions? cheers, Pakl PS: This is just a blunt advertisment for my blog so I can lure you into it and become rich and famous. :-\

                                      Listen to the toad! www.dotnettoad.com[^]

                                      modified on Monday, May 19, 2008 4:44 AM

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                                      Oakman
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                                      "Switch" is just "on x GOTO" so, yeah, all the time.

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                                      • L leppie

                                        Hi, my name is leppie, and I use goto occasionally.

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                                        Roger Alsing 0
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                                        In periods or on a weekly basis?

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                                          In periods or on a weekly basis?

                                          My Blog

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                                          leppie
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                                          Apply as needed :) (once in 6 months or so).

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