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  • P Philip Laureano

    Vikram A Punathambekar wrote:

    Rule #1: Don't use goto. Rule #2: Know when to break Rule #1.

    Rule #3: Never goto #2.

    Do you know...LinFu?

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    Vikram A Punathambekar
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    :groaaaaan: But that warranted a 5! :-D

    Cheers, Vikram.


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    • P Patrick Klug

      Hey guys, My former team mate used goto's quite often (to my despair). I just published a small post on when to (not) use goto on my blog[^] where I try to look at this in a pragmatic way. I am interested if you are using goto's (or know someone who does?). Opinions? cheers, Pakl PS: This is just a blunt advertisment for my blog so I can lure you into it and become rich and famous. :-\

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      fboule
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      My opinion in using gotos is like C programming: it is up to the programmer to code properly. Some are so skilled to write ugly C code. If used properly, goto can could may might have a place in our hearts. E.g. the MS-DOS batch script below (tested on WinXP):

      @echo off
      set i=0
      

      :loop
      set /a i=%i%+1
      echo Loop %i%
      if not %i% == 10 goto :loop

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      • G Graham Bradshaw

        Christian Graus wrote:

        I've never used goto

        Not explicitly, anyway. If you've ever used a C break or continue, implicitly you have, since break and continue are simply goto's with an implicit label that is just outside or inside the current end of scope.

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        Graham Shanks
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        Graham Bradshaw wrote:

        Not explicitly, anyway. If you've ever used a C break or continue, implicitly you have, since break and continue are simply goto's with an implicit label that is just outside or inside the current end of scope.

        By that reckoning anyone using an if ... then ... else is also using a goto. The argument is not that "jump" statements in a program are not required (in any non-trivial program they are unavoidable), but that structured programming constructs rather than the goto statment lead to more understandable programs. As Dijkstra said in his original letter[^] - "The go to statement as it stands is just too primitive, it is too much an invitation to make a mess of one's program." I haven't used a goto statement since I gave up programming in Basic

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        • P Patrick Klug

          Hey guys, My former team mate used goto's quite often (to my despair). I just published a small post on when to (not) use goto on my blog[^] where I try to look at this in a pragmatic way. I am interested if you are using goto's (or know someone who does?). Opinions? cheers, Pakl PS: This is just a blunt advertisment for my blog so I can lure you into it and become rich and famous. :-\

          Listen to the toad! www.dotnettoad.com[^]

          modified on Monday, May 19, 2008 4:44 AM

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          Marc Clifton
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          As in "go to h***" when I see someone using goto. Marc

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          • M Mustafa Ismail Mustafa

            So rare that its basically extinct?

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            Rajesh R Subramanian
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            Again, not really. I've encountered situations (even recently) where I felt that a few goto statements will save me from writing a buttload of ugly nested if-if-if statements.

            Nobody can give you wiser advice than yourself. - Cicero .·´¯`·->Rajesh<-·´¯`·. Codeproject.com: Visual C++ MVP

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            • P Patrick Klug

              Hey guys, My former team mate used goto's quite often (to my despair). I just published a small post on when to (not) use goto on my blog[^] where I try to look at this in a pragmatic way. I am interested if you are using goto's (or know someone who does?). Opinions? cheers, Pakl PS: This is just a blunt advertisment for my blog so I can lure you into it and become rich and famous. :-\

              Listen to the toad! www.dotnettoad.com[^]

              modified on Monday, May 19, 2008 4:44 AM

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              Gene OK
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              Doesn't bother me at all to use goto. I haven't found a c++ compiler that doesn't support them. They're not evil, just one more programming construct. If it saves me 100 or 10 or even one line of code, I'll use a goto without thinking twice.

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              • F fboule

                My opinion in using gotos is like C programming: it is up to the programmer to code properly. Some are so skilled to write ugly C code. If used properly, goto can could may might have a place in our hearts. E.g. the MS-DOS batch script below (tested on WinXP):

                @echo off
                set i=0
                

                :loop
                set /a i=%i%+1
                echo Loop %i%
                if not %i% == 10 goto :loop

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                Rage
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                #40

                fboule wrote:

                the MS-DOS batch script below

                If under XP, then use a for loop to do that.

                ~RaGE();

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                • P Philip Laureano

                  Vikram A Punathambekar wrote:

                  Rule #1: Don't use goto. Rule #2: Know when to break Rule #1.

                  Rule #3: Never goto #2.

                  Do you know...LinFu?

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                  Robert Rohde
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                  Philip Laureano wrote:

                  Rule #1: Don't use goto. Rule #2: Know when to break Rule #1. Rule #3: Never goto #2.

                  Do you like recursion? :) Rule #4: Know when to break Rule #3. Rule #5: Never goto #4 Rule #6: Know when to break Rule #5. ... Robert

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                  • P Patrick Klug

                    Hey guys, My former team mate used goto's quite often (to my despair). I just published a small post on when to (not) use goto on my blog[^] where I try to look at this in a pragmatic way. I am interested if you are using goto's (or know someone who does?). Opinions? cheers, Pakl PS: This is just a blunt advertisment for my blog so I can lure you into it and become rich and famous. :-\

                    Listen to the toad! www.dotnettoad.com[^]

                    modified on Monday, May 19, 2008 4:44 AM

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                    Oakman
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                    "Switch" is just "on x GOTO" so, yeah, all the time.

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                    • L leppie

                      Hi, my name is leppie, and I use goto occasionally.

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                      Roger Alsing 0
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                      In periods or on a weekly basis?

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                        In periods or on a weekly basis?

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                        leppie
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                        Apply as needed :) (once in 6 months or so).

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                        • R Rajesh R Subramanian

                          Again, not really. I've encountered situations (even recently) where I felt that a few goto statements will save me from writing a buttload of ugly nested if-if-if statements.

                          Nobody can give you wiser advice than yourself. - Cicero .·´¯`·->Rajesh<-·´¯`·. Codeproject.com: Visual C++ MVP

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                          Vasudevan Deepak Kumar
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                          Rajesh R Subramanian wrote:

                          if-if-if statements

                          Wouldn't evaluating an expression upfront to a variable and then using a switch-case provide an elegant in that case?

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                          • L leppie

                            Hi, my name is leppie, and I use goto occasionally.

                            xacc.ide - now with TabsToSpaces support
                            IronScheme - 1.0 alpha 3 out now

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                            BadKarma
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                            Burn him, he is a witch ;P

                            Learn from the mistakes of others, you may not live long enough to make them all yourself.

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                            • P Patrick Klug

                              Hey guys, My former team mate used goto's quite often (to my despair). I just published a small post on when to (not) use goto on my blog[^] where I try to look at this in a pragmatic way. I am interested if you are using goto's (or know someone who does?). Opinions? cheers, Pakl PS: This is just a blunt advertisment for my blog so I can lure you into it and become rich and famous. :-\

                              Listen to the toad! www.dotnettoad.com[^]

                              modified on Monday, May 19, 2008 4:44 AM

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                              Jamie Nordmeyer
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                              The only time I've ever used goto was in the QBasic days, and in Visual Basic when I was first learning that language. I've never used it in any C flavor language, and never allow it when doing code reviews at work.

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                              • V Vasudevan Deepak Kumar

                                Rajesh R Subramanian wrote:

                                if-if-if statements

                                Wouldn't evaluating an expression upfront to a variable and then using a switch-case provide an elegant in that case?

                                Vasudevan Deepak Kumar Personal Homepage
                                Tech Gossips
                                A pessimist sees only the dark side of the clouds, and mopes; a philosopher sees both sides, and shrugs; an optimist doesn't see the clouds at all - he's walking on them. --Leonard Louis Levinson

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                                Rajesh R Subramanian
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                                1. switch works only with integral types and so it cannot be used everywhere. 2. switch uses goto internally.

                                Nobody can give you wiser advice than yourself. - Cicero .·´¯`·->Rajesh<-·´¯`·. Codeproject.com: Visual C++ MVP

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                                  Burn him, he is a witch ;P

                                  Learn from the mistakes of others, you may not live long enough to make them all yourself.

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                                  leppie
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                                  And now I will turn you into a frog! POOF!

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                                  • P Patrick Klug

                                    Hey guys, My former team mate used goto's quite often (to my despair). I just published a small post on when to (not) use goto on my blog[^] where I try to look at this in a pragmatic way. I am interested if you are using goto's (or know someone who does?). Opinions? cheers, Pakl PS: This is just a blunt advertisment for my blog so I can lure you into it and become rich and famous. :-\

                                    Listen to the toad! www.dotnettoad.com[^]

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                                    BadKarma
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                                    under any circumstance use goto I use the following

                                    #define BeamMeUp(_goto) goto _goto
                                    
                                    int AtPlanet()
                                    {
                                    bool bToDangerous = true;
                                    
                                    if(bToDangerous)
                                      BeamMeUp(scotty);
                                    else
                                      Fight();
                                    
                                    scotty:
                                      return ToEnterprise();
                                    
                                    }
                                    

                                    Learn from the mistakes of others, you may not live long enough to make them all yourself.

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                                    • P Patrick Klug

                                      Hey guys, My former team mate used goto's quite often (to my despair). I just published a small post on when to (not) use goto on my blog[^] where I try to look at this in a pragmatic way. I am interested if you are using goto's (or know someone who does?). Opinions? cheers, Pakl PS: This is just a blunt advertisment for my blog so I can lure you into it and become rich and famous. :-\

                                      Listen to the toad! www.dotnettoad.com[^]

                                      modified on Monday, May 19, 2008 4:44 AM

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                                      leckey 0
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                                      Goto's are evil and real programmers never use them.

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                                      • P Patrick Klug

                                        Hey guys, My former team mate used goto's quite often (to my despair). I just published a small post on when to (not) use goto on my blog[^] where I try to look at this in a pragmatic way. I am interested if you are using goto's (or know someone who does?). Opinions? cheers, Pakl PS: This is just a blunt advertisment for my blog so I can lure you into it and become rich and famous. :-\

                                        Listen to the toad! www.dotnettoad.com[^]

                                        modified on Monday, May 19, 2008 4:44 AM

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                                        Ri Qen Sin
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                                        I use label: … goto label whenever I have to use while (true) { … }

                                        So the creationist says: Everything must have a designer. God designed everything. I say: Why is God the only exception? Why not make the "designs" (like man) exceptions and make God a creation of man?

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                                        • R Robert Rohde

                                          Philip Laureano wrote:

                                          Rule #1: Don't use goto. Rule #2: Know when to break Rule #1. Rule #3: Never goto #2.

                                          Do you like recursion? :) Rule #4: Know when to break Rule #3. Rule #5: Never goto #4 Rule #6: Know when to break Rule #5. ... Robert

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                                          To learn recursion you first need to know recursion!

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