The problem with VB?
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jchigg2000 wrote:
I really expected more of a response to this!
Heh. Well, I was thinking of linking to some good sites that illustrate some of VB's particular problems, but then I figured, that's getting boring. :) Marc
How about pointing out the idiotic idiosyncratic handling[^] of the ++ operator in C#, just to 'even' the scales. That and C# hiding filtered catch blocks from us. ;P
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jchigg2000 wrote:
My guess is that all of the 'accused' are out googling so they can paste me a long list of someone else's thoughts
Who are you accusing? Those of us who hate and use VB have posted our reasons for displeasure many times in the past. Are you really so immune to the truth that you've ignored all of it and still persist in thinking that bastard of a language has anything to redeem it apart from the steaming piles of horrible legacy code?
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Shog9 wrote:
and use VB
They are among us? :~
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Any language that not only features - but ENCOURAGES - the use of the
gotostatement should be stricken from the planet."Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001It only encourages it for error handling, so instead of having to use a 'goto' to handle errorsm they could just say, e.g. "ErrorProc = MyErrorHandlingProc". Note the My prefix. X| :laugh:
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I found a seriously weird problem with VB once when using it to write a DB app that sat on a Jet engine. I had a controll called something like 'ListOfNames', the column in the Jet table was called the same thing, and for testing purposes I had a data row in the table. In this collum was a string, called, 'ListOfNames'. I could not get it to work untill I changed the datas to a different name. Now any machine thats building code by doing string comparison is, to me, in serious trouble. I quickly finished the app and have never gone near VB again. (It was historical, and had been started in VB and I had to maintain/finish it off. I had never used VB before but found it very easy).
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I luckily never encountered that in the VB6 apps I wrote. I didn't write many, one big one, and many, many little ones. It is quite scary! :~
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The problem with VB is that it looks like an easy language on the surface, when in fact it is absolutely not. Granted, that's VB - I've never done VB.NET. And I will avoid VB.NET for the same reason I don't consider a swastika a suitable logo for my business card. [edit] Uh, oh, he said "Swastika" [/edit]
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peterchen wrote:
The problem with VB is that it looks like an easy language on the surface, when in fact it is absolutely not.
It is so! :confused:
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The problem with VB.NET is the legacy from VB6, take out the legacy garbage like "On Error GoTo"(obvious), "Module"(it has encapsulation but everything public is at the same scope), and this language could be better than many others. I programmed in LISP, SCHEME, and PROLOG and that wasn't funny :(
Where's leppie? :laugh:
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This is more like it!! Yes, I realize everything that you just stated. I personally can't think of a single language that was spot on from it's inception. For instance, a lot of people criticize C++ for not completely supporting either OO or procedural programming styles.
jchigg2000 wrote:
I personally can't think of a single language that was spot on from it's inception.
Wait, you are categorizing those gigantic flaws and barriers of VB as not being spot on? :laugh: That's another typical stereotype of VBers being acted out. ROTFLMAO
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The problem with VB is that it looks like an easy language on the surface, when in fact it is absolutely not. Granted, that's VB - I've never done VB.NET. And I will avoid VB.NET for the same reason I don't consider a swastika a suitable logo for my business card. [edit] Uh, oh, he said "Swastika" [/edit]
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What is it called in German? I noticed you called it a swastika, which is the English bastardization of the Indian (specifically, Sanskrit) word Swastik.
Cheers, Vikram.
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Where's leppie? :laugh:
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Brady Kelly wrote:
Where's leppie? [Laugh]
sorry, I did not understand :confused:
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What is it called in German? I noticed you called it a swastika, which is the English bastardization of the Indian (specifically, Sanskrit) word Swastik.
Cheers, Vikram.
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Hakenkreuz ("hooked cross") or Swastika - the latter being more a reference to the symbol as such but also totally tainted with 3rd Reich background. Wikipedia.de[^] says that the sanskrit word is indeed Swastika: Sanskrit: ????????, m., svastika, „Glücksbringer“
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peterchen wrote:
The problem with VB is that it looks like an easy language on the surface, when in fact it is absolutely not.
It is so! :confused:
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Yes :) The biggest issue from language design IMO is the nonfunctional "type-free-ness" that is actually "what actually happens depends on the underlying type but you don't really want to know". Second is the error handling which is comparedly powerful if used correctly, but hard to get right. Thir comes a bunch of leaky abstractions [^](which is the second probglem of C++, though).
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Brady Kelly wrote:
Where's leppie? [Laugh]
sorry, I did not understand :confused:
leppie is a function programming man. He wouldn't like your implication that VB could be better than, say, Scheme. ;P
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leppie is a function programming man. He wouldn't like your implication that VB could be better than, say, Scheme. ;P
eh eh I'm more an imperative/object oriented language man, like C/C++(the best), Java, C#, VB.NET(VB6 is garbage). Lisp/Scheme has a Lot of Irritating and Stupid Paranthesis :( take the parenthesis out and it could be a good language :laugh:
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MikeMarq wrote:
Are you basing your statement on vb or on the original basic language which is only vaguely related?
We're talking about VB, so it really doesn't matter.
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001I haven't used a GOTO in vb.net, ever. And the only time I ever used them in VB6 was for error handling. I'd also like to point out that C# has a goto statement. As has C/C++. None of these languages reccommend the use of goto, let alone encourage it. In C and VB6 its sometimes the cleanest way of doing stuff like error handling tho.
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Yes :) The biggest issue from language design IMO is the nonfunctional "type-free-ness" that is actually "what actually happens depends on the underlying type but you don't really want to know". Second is the error handling which is comparedly powerful if used correctly, but hard to get right. Thir comes a bunch of leaky abstractions [^](which is the second probglem of C++, though).
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blog: TDD - the Aha! | Linkify!| FoldWithUs! | sighistpeterchen wrote:
leaky abstractions [^]
That's quite a 'leaky' link!
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Shog9 wrote:
and use VB
They are among us? :~
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Sadly yes. My last job had me doing just that.
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Hakenkreuz ("hooked cross") or Swastika - the latter being more a reference to the symbol as such but also totally tainted with 3rd Reich background. Wikipedia.de[^] says that the sanskrit word is indeed Swastika: Sanskrit: ????????, m., svastika, „Glücksbringer“
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blog: TDD - the Aha! | Linkify!| FoldWithUs! | sighistIt is called ???????? (pronounced Swastik, or Svastik if you please - Indian languages make no distinction between v and w sounds) in Sanskrit, Hindi and Marathi. Swastika would be rendered as ????????? in Devanagari. I think German has been tainted by the illegitimate English 'a' in this regard. It's quite infamous, really - a lot of Indian names that end in a consonant sound have a trailing 'a' in English. Arjun is Arjuna, Krishn is Krishna, Ram is Rama, etc.
Cheers, Vikram.
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Enough already! :) I really am getting frustrated with a lot of people that talk crap on VB when they couldn't give you one reason why it's bad. Personally, I use both C# and VB at work and can design and implement the exact same application using either. You can even use Ildasm to verify that you've created the same application. I understand that there are things you can do in VB that completely violate a number of OO concepts, but if you don't use these methods, what's the harm in hacking a out a few lines of VB?
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Hakenkreuz ("hooked cross") or Swastika - the latter being more a reference to the symbol as such but also totally tainted with 3rd Reich background. Wikipedia.de[^] says that the sanskrit word is indeed Swastika: Sanskrit: ????????, m., svastika, „Glücksbringer“
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blog: TDD - the Aha! | Linkify!| FoldWithUs! | sighistI noticed CP screwed up the Devanagari characters, but hopefully the notification email should render it correctly.
Cheers, Vikram.
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peterchen wrote:
leaky abstractions [^]
That's quite a 'leaky' link!
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Ech, I'm out of people to blame for today, here's what I wanted to link to: http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/LeakyAbstractions.html[^]
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