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  • E Erik Westermann

    My Dell notebook is dying - one year after I bought it, the screen suddenly became blurry and bad sectors are starting to show up on the hard drive. I’m disappointed since I can usually keep a laptop for about two years, but this is my first Dell - so lesson learned. I am thinking of getting a MacBook Pro and using Parallels with it to do my work. I do mostly server-based work using VS, BizTalk, SQL Server, and others like Commerce Server. I could install XP on a separate partition, but Parallels seems to do really well since Mac OS X is not Windows :) and the MacBook provides hardware support for virtualization. I am thinking of going with a MacBook Pro because it’s not a Dell, it is fast, and looks great. I am still undecided. I am on the fence and don’t mind falling on the MacBook side - but I’d like to know of your experience or if you know of someone’s experience with it. Erik

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    Paul Watson
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    Wow. You say something good about an Apple product on CP and not one reply disses it. How times have changed. I have a MBP. Great laptop. Sadly, I had one of the earlier ones and the HD died within a year. The newer ones apparently use much better HDs. To be brutally honest; consider a similarly specced Lenovo. They aren't as pretty but they are built well. Parallels is good but VMWare Fusion is better IMO. I'd still dual-boot if you are running stuff like BizTalk, Commerce Server and SQL Server though.

    regards, Paul Watson Ireland & South Africa

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    • E Erik Westermann

      My Dell notebook is dying - one year after I bought it, the screen suddenly became blurry and bad sectors are starting to show up on the hard drive. I’m disappointed since I can usually keep a laptop for about two years, but this is my first Dell - so lesson learned. I am thinking of getting a MacBook Pro and using Parallels with it to do my work. I do mostly server-based work using VS, BizTalk, SQL Server, and others like Commerce Server. I could install XP on a separate partition, but Parallels seems to do really well since Mac OS X is not Windows :) and the MacBook provides hardware support for virtualization. I am thinking of going with a MacBook Pro because it’s not a Dell, it is fast, and looks great. I am still undecided. I am on the fence and don’t mind falling on the MacBook side - but I’d like to know of your experience or if you know of someone’s experience with it. Erik

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      Rama Krishna Vavilala
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      Good choice. Just a few things: 1. I ordered my Mac at http://www.macmall.com[^]. No taxes in my area + the prices were good. 2. I ordered RAM at http://www.macsales.com[^]. Upgraded to the full extent possible. 3. VMWare is better than Parallels. Not sure about the latest Parallels though which claims to provided Vista Aero. I bought Mac initially for web development (server on windows and photoshop and other tools on Mac). But I ended up eventually learning Cocoa and I use it mostly for Mac/iPhone development:)

      This has been discussed, again and again and again and always we (the denizens of the CP lounge) have come to the conclusion that their method of rating is pure, untouched, unadulterated, genuine, verifiable, refined trash. MIM on TIOBE

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        Wow. You say something good about an Apple product on CP and not one reply disses it. How times have changed. I have a MBP. Great laptop. Sadly, I had one of the earlier ones and the HD died within a year. The newer ones apparently use much better HDs. To be brutally honest; consider a similarly specced Lenovo. They aren't as pretty but they are built well. Parallels is good but VMWare Fusion is better IMO. I'd still dual-boot if you are running stuff like BizTalk, Commerce Server and SQL Server though.

        regards, Paul Watson Ireland & South Africa

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        Erik Westermann
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        Thanks Paul - indeed, times are changing :) I'll look into both.

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        • P Paul Watson

          Erik Westermann wrote:

          They are still overpriced

          Disagree. If you only count CPU cycles and HD space then sure, you can get Dell knock-offs from China for less than a Big Mac burger. But if you count such things as packaging, fit and finish then they aren't over-priced. More to computers than feature counts IMO.

          regards, Paul Watson Ireland & South Africa

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          Paul Watson wrote:

          for less than a Big Mac burger

          :laugh:

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            Wow. You say something good about an Apple product on CP and not one reply disses it. How times have changed. I have a MBP. Great laptop. Sadly, I had one of the earlier ones and the HD died within a year. The newer ones apparently use much better HDs. To be brutally honest; consider a similarly specced Lenovo. They aren't as pretty but they are built well. Parallels is good but VMWare Fusion is better IMO. I'd still dual-boot if you are running stuff like BizTalk, Commerce Server and SQL Server though.

            regards, Paul Watson Ireland & South Africa

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            I'd claim we matured past clubbing baby seals, but the continued existence of the soapbox is a powerful counter argument.

            You know, every time I tried to win a bar-bet about being able to count to 1000 using my fingers I always got punched out when I reached 4.... -- El Corazon

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              I'd claim we matured past clubbing baby seals, but the continued existence of the soapbox is a powerful counter argument.

              You know, every time I tried to win a bar-bet about being able to count to 1000 using my fingers I always got punched out when I reached 4.... -- El Corazon

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              And VB bashing...

              regards, Paul Watson Ireland & South Africa

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                I'd claim we matured past clubbing baby seals, but the continued existence of the soapbox is a powerful counter argument.

                You know, every time I tried to win a bar-bet about being able to count to 1000 using my fingers I always got punched out when I reached 4.... -- El Corazon

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                dan neely wrote:

                baby seals

                <homer_drool> Mmmm.... baby seal </homer_drool>

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                • E Erik Westermann

                  My Dell notebook is dying - one year after I bought it, the screen suddenly became blurry and bad sectors are starting to show up on the hard drive. I’m disappointed since I can usually keep a laptop for about two years, but this is my first Dell - so lesson learned. I am thinking of getting a MacBook Pro and using Parallels with it to do my work. I do mostly server-based work using VS, BizTalk, SQL Server, and others like Commerce Server. I could install XP on a separate partition, but Parallels seems to do really well since Mac OS X is not Windows :) and the MacBook provides hardware support for virtualization. I am thinking of going with a MacBook Pro because it’s not a Dell, it is fast, and looks great. I am still undecided. I am on the fence and don’t mind falling on the MacBook side - but I’d like to know of your experience or if you know of someone’s experience with it. Erik

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                  Ravi Bhavnani
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                  Erik Westermann wrote:

                  I am thinking of getting a MacBook Pro and using Parallels with it to do my work.

                  Wouldn't it be cheaper (and more performant) to get a non-Dell laptop, but not necessarily a MacBook? I have nothing against the MacBook, but I must confess I've also never had any problems with Dell hardware. I've been using them (both desktops and laptops) for close to 10 years now at both home and work. Maybe I'm in the minority? /ravi

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                  • E Erik Westermann

                    My Dell notebook is dying - one year after I bought it, the screen suddenly became blurry and bad sectors are starting to show up on the hard drive. I’m disappointed since I can usually keep a laptop for about two years, but this is my first Dell - so lesson learned. I am thinking of getting a MacBook Pro and using Parallels with it to do my work. I do mostly server-based work using VS, BizTalk, SQL Server, and others like Commerce Server. I could install XP on a separate partition, but Parallels seems to do really well since Mac OS X is not Windows :) and the MacBook provides hardware support for virtualization. I am thinking of going with a MacBook Pro because it’s not a Dell, it is fast, and looks great. I am still undecided. I am on the fence and don’t mind falling on the MacBook side - but I’d like to know of your experience or if you know of someone’s experience with it. Erik

                    Erik Westermann - wWorkflow.net

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                    Single Step Debugger
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                    Consider also the Toshiba notebooks. A little more expensive but extremely reliable.

                    The narrow specialist in the broad sense of the word is a complete idiot in the narrow sense of the word.

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                    • R Ravi Bhavnani

                      Erik Westermann wrote:

                      I am thinking of getting a MacBook Pro and using Parallels with it to do my work.

                      Wouldn't it be cheaper (and more performant) to get a non-Dell laptop, but not necessarily a MacBook? I have nothing against the MacBook, but I must confess I've also never had any problems with Dell hardware. I've been using them (both desktops and laptops) for close to 10 years now at both home and work. Maybe I'm in the minority? /ravi

                      My new year resolution: 2048 x 1536 Home | Articles | My .NET bits | Freeware ravib(at)ravib(dot)com

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                      I haven't had any problems with Dell either. I've had 2 XPS desktops and 2 XPS Laptops that have been and still are fine. Of course, I have a 12" iBook from 2003 that has worked flawlessly since I got it without so much as even one hard drive format. It also still has greater battery life than any of my newer machines that both have the 9 cell battery upgrade. The iBook has been a great machine for when I'm traveling and only need/want internet access or the ability to watch some movies. It's gotten old enough that I don't mind it getting roughed up a bit!

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                      • R Ravi Bhavnani

                        Erik Westermann wrote:

                        I am thinking of getting a MacBook Pro and using Parallels with it to do my work.

                        Wouldn't it be cheaper (and more performant) to get a non-Dell laptop, but not necessarily a MacBook? I have nothing against the MacBook, but I must confess I've also never had any problems with Dell hardware. I've been using them (both desktops and laptops) for close to 10 years now at both home and work. Maybe I'm in the minority? /ravi

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                        Rocky Moore
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                        Ravi Bhavnani wrote:

                        Maybe I'm in the minority?

                        Doubt it.. There are always good running old Dells on ebay all the time. I have two older laptops and they are still ticking right along. I would not have an Apple for one reason, I do not like the company and its culture/sub-culture and since I would not have anything to do with their modified Unix OS, it is just an overpriced (along with accessories) replacement of a Intel PC. -- Long live the right mouse button and scroll wheel! :)

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                          Ravi Bhavnani wrote:

                          Maybe I'm in the minority?

                          Doubt it.. There are always good running old Dells on ebay all the time. I have two older laptops and they are still ticking right along. I would not have an Apple for one reason, I do not like the company and its culture/sub-culture and since I would not have anything to do with their modified Unix OS, it is just an overpriced (along with accessories) replacement of a Intel PC. -- Long live the right mouse button and scroll wheel! :)

                          Rocky <>< Blog Post: Sites and Domains for sale! Tech Blog Post: Microsoft Live Writer Plug-ins! Photo Stuff Blog Post: CHDK Motion Detection and other stuff - Quick notes!

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                          Ravi Bhavnani
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                          Rocky Moore wrote:

                          Doubt it..

                          I agree. Still, I feel bad for Erik. I think I know how he feels. My 15 month old Sharp Aquos just died on me and I've sworn never to buy another Sharp TV. I'm sure they're a good company, but I don't want to risk getting burned again. (I ended up buying a Samsung and love it.). /ravi

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                          • R Rocky Moore

                            Ravi Bhavnani wrote:

                            Maybe I'm in the minority?

                            Doubt it.. There are always good running old Dells on ebay all the time. I have two older laptops and they are still ticking right along. I would not have an Apple for one reason, I do not like the company and its culture/sub-culture and since I would not have anything to do with their modified Unix OS, it is just an overpriced (along with accessories) replacement of a Intel PC. -- Long live the right mouse button and scroll wheel! :)

                            Rocky <>< Blog Post: Sites and Domains for sale! Tech Blog Post: Microsoft Live Writer Plug-ins! Photo Stuff Blog Post: CHDK Motion Detection and other stuff - Quick notes!

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                            Rocky Moore wrote:

                            I would not have an Apple for one reason, I do not like the company and its culture/sub-culture

                            How do you feel about Microsoft and Intel?

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                            • G Graham Bradshaw

                              Mike Mullikin wrote:

                              ended up dual-booting with Vista instead.

                              What do you do about the lack of a "right-click" button? Don't Mac laptops only have one button?

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                              Jorgen Sigvardsson
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                              Just get a regular mouse and use it with the Mac. It handles right clicks, scroll wheel, etc.

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                              • E Erik Westermann

                                My Dell notebook is dying - one year after I bought it, the screen suddenly became blurry and bad sectors are starting to show up on the hard drive. I’m disappointed since I can usually keep a laptop for about two years, but this is my first Dell - so lesson learned. I am thinking of getting a MacBook Pro and using Parallels with it to do my work. I do mostly server-based work using VS, BizTalk, SQL Server, and others like Commerce Server. I could install XP on a separate partition, but Parallels seems to do really well since Mac OS X is not Windows :) and the MacBook provides hardware support for virtualization. I am thinking of going with a MacBook Pro because it’s not a Dell, it is fast, and looks great. I am still undecided. I am on the fence and don’t mind falling on the MacBook side - but I’d like to know of your experience or if you know of someone’s experience with it. Erik

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                                Stuart Dootson
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                                If you're going to do just do Windows (or Linux), I wouldn't bother with a Mac - the design *is* nicer, but probably not enough to justify the different keyboard and single button trackpad. If you want to get into OS X (and why wouldn't you?!), then just buy a Mac already. I've got a PowerPC Mac, an iBook, which I only got because I had the chance to buy it cheaply. I used to like Windows before I got it....but now, I really don't intend buying another Windows PC.

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                                  If you're going to do just do Windows (or Linux), I wouldn't bother with a Mac - the design *is* nicer, but probably not enough to justify the different keyboard and single button trackpad. If you want to get into OS X (and why wouldn't you?!), then just buy a Mac already. I've got a PowerPC Mac, an iBook, which I only got because I had the chance to buy it cheaply. I used to like Windows before I got it....but now, I really don't intend buying another Windows PC.

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                                  Nice timing...I think I finally clicked Buy as you were posting your reply. Part of my motivation is to expand my horizons, so to speak. I have been living in the Microsoft hemisphere for a long time now, but I have visited the Unix hemisphere - Ubuntu, Kbuntu, and some flavors of Solaris and did not experience any culture shock at all. So, as good as Windows is, I want to regularly use something else - Mac OS X is a great place to start. A little off-topic - I have been using vim instead of notepad (when I am not in a huge rush)..it's nice to get back to something that focuses on keyboard commands rather than adding them as an afterthought. Thanks everyone for your comments...I'll write about my experiences on my site.

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                                  • E Erik Westermann

                                    My Dell notebook is dying - one year after I bought it, the screen suddenly became blurry and bad sectors are starting to show up on the hard drive. I’m disappointed since I can usually keep a laptop for about two years, but this is my first Dell - so lesson learned. I am thinking of getting a MacBook Pro and using Parallels with it to do my work. I do mostly server-based work using VS, BizTalk, SQL Server, and others like Commerce Server. I could install XP on a separate partition, but Parallels seems to do really well since Mac OS X is not Windows :) and the MacBook provides hardware support for virtualization. I am thinking of going with a MacBook Pro because it’s not a Dell, it is fast, and looks great. I am still undecided. I am on the fence and don’t mind falling on the MacBook side - but I’d like to know of your experience or if you know of someone’s experience with it. Erik

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                                    pjvander
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                                    I've had a Dell Latitude D800 for the past four years or so that has been very kind to me. Also, several of my clients use Dells exclusivly. Some have nightmare stories, some have nothing but rave reviews. I'm not saying that I necessarily recommend, or even like Dells. Though I do support the fact that anomalies can occur in production that may effect quality, no matter what company. That being said, with the age of my current notebook, I have been looking at new machines and giving serious consideration to Mac's. I was wondering, has anyone (is it even possible?) to run a virutliaztion core such as Xen on a Mac, then run OS X, Windows, BSD, whatever on top? If so, that 8-core Mac Pro looks mighty nice!

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                                    • E Erik Westermann

                                      Nice timing...I think I finally clicked Buy as you were posting your reply. Part of my motivation is to expand my horizons, so to speak. I have been living in the Microsoft hemisphere for a long time now, but I have visited the Unix hemisphere - Ubuntu, Kbuntu, and some flavors of Solaris and did not experience any culture shock at all. So, as good as Windows is, I want to regularly use something else - Mac OS X is a great place to start. A little off-topic - I have been using vim instead of notepad (when I am not in a huge rush)..it's nice to get back to something that focuses on keyboard commands rather than adding them as an afterthought. Thanks everyone for your comments...I'll write about my experiences on my site.

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                                      Stuart Dootson
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                                      Erik Westermann wrote:

                                      I have been using vim instead of notepad

                                      Now you're getting a Mac, you can use TextMate[^] instead :-) But seriously, I use vim as my commit message editor for SVN and Git on Windows as well.

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                                      • E Erik Westermann

                                        I am just going through all of the scenarios...right-click - no problem ... accessing files on NTFS - no problem ... virtualization - no problem. It does not have a card reader for SD cards and the like, has just a few USB ports, and the ports are on both sides (I like to have ports at the back...but take good with the not so good).

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                                        Mycroft Holmes
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                                        If it has come down to usb port location your done anyway so go ahead and click the button

                                        Never underestimate the power of human stupidity RAH

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                                          If it has come down to usb port location your done anyway so go ahead and click the button

                                          Never underestimate the power of human stupidity RAH

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                                          Erik Westermann
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                                          Mycroft Holmes wrote:

                                          so go ahead and click the button

                                          You..done....my credit card is a lot heavier...hopefuly the lighter MacBook will offset that :)

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