American invasions
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Yep, we're definitely responsible for East Timor
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That's called a weak man argument. I said 'most' and you assume I said 'all', choose one example that disproves the statement I did not make, and assume I have been shot down in flames. Only people with nothing to back themselves up, resort to such tactics.
Christian Graus No longer a Microsoft MVP, but still happy to answer your questions.
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Christian Graus wrote:
The US did at least as much as the USSR to bring the world to the brink of nuclear war.
Why, I wonder, when the U.S. was the only nation with nuclear weapons, didn't the Pentagon just charge right in and bomb the shit out of the USSR? If you think the Russians wouldn't have taken advantage of that kind of technological superiority, I suggest you check your impressions with eastern Europeans.
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface
Oakman wrote:
Why, I wonder, when the U.S. was the only nation with nuclear weapons, didn't the Pentagon just charge right in and bomb the sh*t out of the USSR? If you think the Russians wouldn't have taken advantage of that kind of technological superiority, I suggest you check your impressions with eastern Europeans.
Obviously, the military industrial complex would have been opposed to such an easy victory... :rolleyes:
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
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What does that have to do with manifest destiny ?
Christian Graus No longer a Microsoft MVP, but still happy to answer your questions.
absolutely nothing
Beauty is only a light switch away.
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absolutely nothing
Beauty is only a light switch away.
OK, so you were not talking about manifest destiny at all ?
Christian Graus No longer a Microsoft MVP, but still happy to answer your questions.
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You really do need to read someone besides Chomsky.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
Stan Shannon wrote:
Chomsky
Anna Chlumsky? She was great in My Girl... hehe...
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Keep this up and NZ will be next.
Can it be?
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No, because they're pointless, time, life and money wasting agenda's brought on by war monger's like daddy and junior Bush.
Beauty is only a light switch away.
Dirk Higbee wrote:
because they're pointless, time, life and money wasting agenda's brought on by war monger's like daddy and junior Bush.
No, they are an essential, effective and unavoidable reality in the modern world.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
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OK, so you were not talking about manifest destiny at all ?
Christian Graus No longer a Microsoft MVP, but still happy to answer your questions.
No it was a smart a** reply to Stan's misguided comment about religious extremism.
Beauty is only a light switch away.
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No it was a smart a** reply to Stan's misguided comment about religious extremism.
Beauty is only a light switch away.
OK - imagine my confusion.
Christian Graus No longer a Microsoft MVP, but still happy to answer your questions.
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You really do need to read someone besides Chomsky.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
I actually only own one book of his, only b/c it was a giveaway in a book club. I found him to be somewhat biased and one dimensional.
Christian Graus No longer a Microsoft MVP, but still happy to answer your questions.
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Dirk Higbee wrote:
because they're pointless, time, life and money wasting agenda's brought on by war monger's like daddy and junior Bush.
No, they are an essential, effective and unavoidable reality in the modern world.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
Stan Shannon wrote:
essential
not even
Stan Shannon wrote:
effective
yeah right, the Iraq war has been real effective in killing off our loved ones
Stan Shannon wrote:
unavoidable reality
first of all, reality is a myth, and ideality is a dream so perhaps an unavoidable actuality due to the lower mentality of those that cannot see war solves nothing in the long run because 300 years from now no one will care.
Beauty is only a light switch away.
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OK - imagine my confusion.
Christian Graus No longer a Microsoft MVP, but still happy to answer your questions.
sorry about that
Beauty is only a light switch away.
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That's called a weak man argument. I said 'most' and you assume I said 'all', choose one example that disproves the statement I did not make, and assume I have been shot down in flames. Only people with nothing to back themselves up, resort to such tactics.
Christian Graus No longer a Microsoft MVP, but still happy to answer your questions.
As usual, Christian, you start off by telling me what I think and what I am saying, then you, brilliantly refute my your arguments and end up with a cheap shot. If you were honest with yourself, you could come up with a long list of geopolitical hotspots that occurred having nothing to do the the US. But that's a pretty big if. If you were even more honest, you'd admit that if the U.S. hadn't tried - however unsuccessfully in some cases, to draw a line in the sand, the Sino-Soviet block of the fifties and sixties would have created a world that you wouldn't want to live in.
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface
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Oakman wrote:
Why, I wonder, when the U.S. was the only nation with nuclear weapons, didn't the Pentagon just charge right in and bomb the sh*t out of the USSR? If you think the Russians wouldn't have taken advantage of that kind of technological superiority, I suggest you check your impressions with eastern Europeans.
Obviously, the military industrial complex would have been opposed to such an easy victory... :rolleyes:
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
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Stan Shannon wrote:
Our fight against communism
Was largely in your own minds and of your own invention.
Christian Graus No longer a Microsoft MVP, but still happy to answer your questions.
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Can it be?
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Got any oil?
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I actually only own one book of his, only b/c it was a giveaway in a book club. I found him to be somewhat biased and one dimensional.
Christian Graus No longer a Microsoft MVP, but still happy to answer your questions.
Christian Graus wrote:
I found him to be somewhat biased and one dimensional.
Understandable mistake then, eh? :laugh:
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
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As usual, Christian, you start off by telling me what I think and what I am saying, then you, brilliantly refute my your arguments and end up with a cheap shot. If you were honest with yourself, you could come up with a long list of geopolitical hotspots that occurred having nothing to do the the US. But that's a pretty big if. If you were even more honest, you'd admit that if the U.S. hadn't tried - however unsuccessfully in some cases, to draw a line in the sand, the Sino-Soviet block of the fifties and sixties would have created a world that you wouldn't want to live in.
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface
Oakman wrote:
you start off by telling me what I think and what I am saying,
where ?
Oakman wrote:
you could come up with a long list of geopolitical hotspots that occurred having nothing to do the the US.
Probably. Perhaps I just meant that the places that are most endangering the world today, are almost all the doing of the meddling of the USA.
Oakman wrote:
If you were even more honest, you'd admit that if the U.S. hadn't tried - however unsuccessfully in some cases, to draw a line in the sand, the Sino-Soviet block of the fifties and sixties would have created a world that you wouldn't want to live in.
Perhaps. Assuming this is true, the real question is, does that excuse every action taken by the US, then and now ? Does it mean the US should accept no responsibility for it's deeds, or pretend that it always behaved with honour ? And does it change the fact that the mess in the middle east is almost entirely the doing of the USA ?
Christian Graus No longer a Microsoft MVP, but still happy to answer your questions.
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As usual, Christian, you start off by telling me what I think and what I am saying, then you, brilliantly refute my your arguments and end up with a cheap shot. If you were honest with yourself, you could come up with a long list of geopolitical hotspots that occurred having nothing to do the the US. But that's a pretty big if. If you were even more honest, you'd admit that if the U.S. hadn't tried - however unsuccessfully in some cases, to draw a line in the sand, the Sino-Soviet block of the fifties and sixties would have created a world that you wouldn't want to live in.
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface
Oakman wrote:
the Sino-Soviet block of the fifties and sixties would have created a world that you wouldn't want to live in.
horsecrap
Beauty is only a light switch away.
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Got any oil?
We do, but NZ, not so much... plenty of sheep though!! I hear they enjoy a good flock...
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