American invasions
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Can it be?
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I actually only own one book of his, only b/c it was a giveaway in a book club. I found him to be somewhat biased and one dimensional.
Christian Graus No longer a Microsoft MVP, but still happy to answer your questions.
Christian Graus wrote:
I found him to be somewhat biased and one dimensional.
Understandable mistake then, eh? :laugh:
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
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As usual, Christian, you start off by telling me what I think and what I am saying, then you, brilliantly refute my your arguments and end up with a cheap shot. If you were honest with yourself, you could come up with a long list of geopolitical hotspots that occurred having nothing to do the the US. But that's a pretty big if. If you were even more honest, you'd admit that if the U.S. hadn't tried - however unsuccessfully in some cases, to draw a line in the sand, the Sino-Soviet block of the fifties and sixties would have created a world that you wouldn't want to live in.
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface
Oakman wrote:
you start off by telling me what I think and what I am saying,
where ?
Oakman wrote:
you could come up with a long list of geopolitical hotspots that occurred having nothing to do the the US.
Probably. Perhaps I just meant that the places that are most endangering the world today, are almost all the doing of the meddling of the USA.
Oakman wrote:
If you were even more honest, you'd admit that if the U.S. hadn't tried - however unsuccessfully in some cases, to draw a line in the sand, the Sino-Soviet block of the fifties and sixties would have created a world that you wouldn't want to live in.
Perhaps. Assuming this is true, the real question is, does that excuse every action taken by the US, then and now ? Does it mean the US should accept no responsibility for it's deeds, or pretend that it always behaved with honour ? And does it change the fact that the mess in the middle east is almost entirely the doing of the USA ?
Christian Graus No longer a Microsoft MVP, but still happy to answer your questions.
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As usual, Christian, you start off by telling me what I think and what I am saying, then you, brilliantly refute my your arguments and end up with a cheap shot. If you were honest with yourself, you could come up with a long list of geopolitical hotspots that occurred having nothing to do the the US. But that's a pretty big if. If you were even more honest, you'd admit that if the U.S. hadn't tried - however unsuccessfully in some cases, to draw a line in the sand, the Sino-Soviet block of the fifties and sixties would have created a world that you wouldn't want to live in.
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface
Oakman wrote:
the Sino-Soviet block of the fifties and sixties would have created a world that you wouldn't want to live in.
horsecrap
Beauty is only a light switch away.
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Got any oil?
We do, but NZ, not so much... plenty of sheep though!! I hear they enjoy a good flock...
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My girlfriend was telling me the other night that before she was born her parants had to move over here as refugee's because American's destroyed their neighbourhood during the Vietnam war. I never knew the US was even in Cambodia, so out of interest I give you... *** AMERICAN INVASIONS ***
Note: for the best experience sing the below loudly while you read the list... America... America... America, FUCK YEAH! Coming again, to save the mother fucking day yeah, America, FUCK YEAH! Freedom is the only way yeah, Terrorist your game is through cause now you have to answer too, America, FUCK YEAH! So lick my butt, and suck on my balls, America, FUCK YEAH! What you going to do when we come for you now, it’s the dream that we all share; it’s the hope for tomorrow FUCK YEAH!Quemoy & Matsu Island Taiwan Straits Congo Laos Vietnam Cuba Dominican Republic Korea Cambodia Thailand (in direct support of Cambodia Operation) Operation Eagle Pull – Evacuation of Cambodia Operation Frequent Wind – Evacuation of Vietnam Mayaguez Operation Operation Urgent Fury – Grenada Lebanon Germany (West Berlin) Austria Korea Japan Italy Trieste Germany (except West Berlin) Austria Asiatic Pacific Korean Service Medal (Army, Navy, Air Force) Berlin Lebanon Libyan Operation El Dorado Canyon Persian Gulf Operation Earnest Will Panama Operation Just Cause Somalia-United Shield-Operation Restore Hope Haiti – Operation Uphold Democracy Operation Southern Watch (Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Iraq, Oman, Gulf of Omen W. Of 62’ E. Long, Yemen, Egypt, Jordan) El Salvador Bosnia – Operation Joint Endeavor Operation Joint Guard Operation Vigilant Sentinel Operation Northern Watch Operation Maritime Intercept Operation Joint Forge (Bosnia-Herzegovina) Operation Desert Thunder Operation Desert Fox Thailand Military Operation Cuban Military Operation Iranian, Yemen & Indian Ocean Operation Lebanon Libyan Expedition Panama – (pre and post invasion) Liberia (Operation Sharp Edge) Rwanda (Operation Distant runner) Vietnam Service Medal Operation Desert Storm/Operation Desert Shield Combat Action Ribbon Korean Service Kosovo Campaign Medal (Allied Force) Joint Guardian Allied Harbor Sustain Hope/Shining Hope Nobel Anvil Kosovo Task Force Hawk Kosovo Task Force Saber Kosovo Task Force Falcon Kosovo Task force Hunter Kosovo Air Campaign Kosovo Defense campaignMark Brock
I am not offended at your statement about the USA.. You are in “good” company, Iran, Venezuela, Cuba, China, Zimbabwe, North Korea… New Zealand.
MrPlankton
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Dirk Higbee wrote:
because they're pointless, time, life and money wasting agenda's brought on by war monger's like daddy and junior Bush.
No, they are an essential, effective and unavoidable reality in the modern world.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
Only if the US is to defend and expand it's global empire.
Christian Graus No longer a Microsoft MVP, but still happy to answer your questions.
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I'm not saying the USSR did not have nukes. I am saying they had no plan for global domination.
Christian Graus No longer a Microsoft MVP, but still happy to answer your questions.
Christian Graus wrote:
I am saying they had no plan for global domination.
You cannot even imagine how wrong you are.
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I am not offended at your statement about the USA.. You are in “good” company, Iran, Venezuela, Cuba, China, Zimbabwe, North Korea… New Zealand.
MrPlankton
You forgot the rest of the world.
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Keep this up and NZ will be next.
Pick on someone your own size :).
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Oakman wrote:
you start off by telling me what I think and what I am saying,
where ?
Oakman wrote:
you could come up with a long list of geopolitical hotspots that occurred having nothing to do the the US.
Probably. Perhaps I just meant that the places that are most endangering the world today, are almost all the doing of the meddling of the USA.
Oakman wrote:
If you were even more honest, you'd admit that if the U.S. hadn't tried - however unsuccessfully in some cases, to draw a line in the sand, the Sino-Soviet block of the fifties and sixties would have created a world that you wouldn't want to live in.
Perhaps. Assuming this is true, the real question is, does that excuse every action taken by the US, then and now ? Does it mean the US should accept no responsibility for it's deeds, or pretend that it always behaved with honour ? And does it change the fact that the mess in the middle east is almost entirely the doing of the USA ?
Christian Graus No longer a Microsoft MVP, but still happy to answer your questions.
Christian Graus wrote:
where ?
"I said 'most' and you assume I said 'all'"
Christian Graus wrote:
Perhaps I just meant that the places that are most endangering the world today, are almost all the doing of the meddling of the USA.
Perhaps??? Perhaps you meant there were fairies at the bottom of your garden??? Or perhaps you meant you were too drunk to type???? Come back when you have figured out what you meant. I haven't got the interest enough to wait around while you figure out what you meant.
Christian Graus wrote:
Does it mean the US should accept no responsibility for it's deeds, or pretend that it always behaved with honour ?
No. And, AFAIK, very few people here have ever claimed it should or did. Is this some kind of straw man you have put together to prove (to yourself, at least) how brilliantly you can argue? Here's a clue. The US at the end of WWII was the only real superpower left standing. For various reasons the Soviets quickly positioned themselves as the U.S.'s opponents. It's the role they wanted - or at least Uncle Joe did - and it certainly suited the guys in Washington to have them in that role. For the next 45 years or so almost everything that happened that was worthy of being written down in the history books was caused by one or the other or both of those two countries. Yes, there were exceptions. But even they, ultimately, usually ended up involving one or both super powers. They were the only players in the game with chips to play and the balls to bluff. Therefore to announce as if it was some kind of discovery that most of the world's ills are due to the U.S. and (until recently) the USSR and/or (recently) China is to prove only that you have a firm grasp of the obvious. You might also want to note that much of what is right with the world is due to the U.S. and (until recently) the USSR and/or (recently) China. If you need to be congratulated for being able to type out the transparently obvious, then congratulations. If you need commiseration for living in a 2nd-tier country like Australia, please accept my condolences. But for gods sake, quit whining about the way the world is. If you don't like it, do something about it. If I were you, I'd start by trying to convince your countrymen that they need to stop depending on the US to defend them at all times and in all places.
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Stan Shannon wrote:
essential
not even
Stan Shannon wrote:
effective
yeah right, the Iraq war has been real effective in killing off our loved ones
Stan Shannon wrote:
unavoidable reality
first of all, reality is a myth, and ideality is a dream so perhaps an unavoidable actuality due to the lower mentality of those that cannot see war solves nothing in the long run because 300 years from now no one will care.
Beauty is only a light switch away.
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You forgot the rest of the world.
Mark Brock Click here to view my blog
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Christian Graus wrote:
I am saying they had no plan for global domination.
You cannot even imagine how wrong you are.
Oh, of course I am.
Christian Graus No longer a Microsoft MVP, but still happy to answer your questions.
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Christian Graus wrote:
where ?
"I said 'most' and you assume I said 'all'"
Christian Graus wrote:
Perhaps I just meant that the places that are most endangering the world today, are almost all the doing of the meddling of the USA.
Perhaps??? Perhaps you meant there were fairies at the bottom of your garden??? Or perhaps you meant you were too drunk to type???? Come back when you have figured out what you meant. I haven't got the interest enough to wait around while you figure out what you meant.
Christian Graus wrote:
Does it mean the US should accept no responsibility for it's deeds, or pretend that it always behaved with honour ?
No. And, AFAIK, very few people here have ever claimed it should or did. Is this some kind of straw man you have put together to prove (to yourself, at least) how brilliantly you can argue? Here's a clue. The US at the end of WWII was the only real superpower left standing. For various reasons the Soviets quickly positioned themselves as the U.S.'s opponents. It's the role they wanted - or at least Uncle Joe did - and it certainly suited the guys in Washington to have them in that role. For the next 45 years or so almost everything that happened that was worthy of being written down in the history books was caused by one or the other or both of those two countries. Yes, there were exceptions. But even they, ultimately, usually ended up involving one or both super powers. They were the only players in the game with chips to play and the balls to bluff. Therefore to announce as if it was some kind of discovery that most of the world's ills are due to the U.S. and (until recently) the USSR and/or (recently) China is to prove only that you have a firm grasp of the obvious. You might also want to note that much of what is right with the world is due to the U.S. and (until recently) the USSR and/or (recently) China. If you need to be congratulated for being able to type out the transparently obvious, then congratulations. If you need commiseration for living in a 2nd-tier country like Australia, please accept my condolences. But for gods sake, quit whining about the way the world is. If you don't like it, do something about it. If I were you, I'd start by trying to convince your countrymen that they need to stop depending on the US to defend them at all times and in all places.
Oakman wrote:
"I said 'most' and you assume I said 'all'"
I said most, and you rebutted me with ONE example. Why did you say it, just a random comment ? B/c, unless you were accusing me of saying 'all', your comment made no sense. I did not bring up Timor. I did not say that if you picked ANY problem in the world, the US was to blame. So, you just made a random, meaningless comment, is that what you're saying ?
Christian Graus No longer a Microsoft MVP, but still happy to answer your questions.
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Oakman wrote:
"I said 'most' and you assume I said 'all'"
I said most, and you rebutted me with ONE example. Why did you say it, just a random comment ? B/c, unless you were accusing me of saying 'all', your comment made no sense. I did not bring up Timor. I did not say that if you picked ANY problem in the world, the US was to blame. So, you just made a random, meaningless comment, is that what you're saying ?
Christian Graus No longer a Microsoft MVP, but still happy to answer your questions.
Christian Graus wrote:
I said most, and you rebutted me with ONE example
No, you asked me where you were explaining to me what I was thinking and doing. I cited an example of where you were explaining to me what I was thinking and doing. Shall I assume that it is so obvious that this is what you were doing, that you don't have any interest in rebutting me and no interest in admitting the obvious?
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface
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I actually only own one book of his, only b/c it was a giveaway in a book club. I found him to be somewhat biased and one dimensional.
Christian Graus No longer a Microsoft MVP, but still happy to answer your questions.
Christian Graus wrote:
somewhat biased and one dimensional
Somewhat? :-D
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You can't save the world from tyranny without breaking a few eggs. Much of that history may have been a mistake, but none of it happened in a geo-political vacume. Would you and your girlfriend prefer to be living in a Nazi or communist totalitarian utopia? Or, how about a nuclear wasteland? Whatever it was the US did, our leadership saved both of you from all of that. Which is the only reason either of you are now free to bitch about it on the internet. Most Americans would prefer to live in our quaint little Jeffersonian republic with no need to interact at all with the rest of you ungrateful assholes. Unfortunantly you are unable to do it for yourselves.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
Funny that you never have a problem breaking other peoples eggs.
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Only if the US is to defend and expand it's global empire.
Christian Graus No longer a Microsoft MVP, but still happy to answer your questions.
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Stan Shannon wrote:
Whatever it was the US did, our leadership saved both of you from all of that. Which is the only reason either of you are now free to bith about it on the internet.
Although America's role in WW2 was vital, and everyone is grateful that it eventually joined the fight, I'd like to add: "It's because of the men and women of many European and Pacific countries, who were dieing in the treches long before the American's joined the war that us ungrateful assholes can get on the internet and moan about it."
Stan Shannon wrote:
Would you and your girlfriend prefer to be living in a Nazi or communist totalitarian utopia? Or, how about a nuclear wasteland? Whatever it was the US did, our leadership saved both of you from all of that.
I can see a lot of irony in the words "good leadership", and "nuclear wasteland" here. The Nazi's (or communists) would never have prevailed, invading and occuping a country is one thing, keeping control of it is another.
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MarkBrock wrote:
"It's because of the men and women of many European and Pacific countries, who were dieing in the treches long before the American's joined the war that us ungrateful assholes can get on the internet and moan about it."
Actually, war isn't about dying in the trenches or anywhere else. (Not a lot of trench warfare in WWII.) War is about making the other poor sunuvabitch die. Maybe that's why the Americans were successful?
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