Is it good to use Vista ?
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In fact, I run Vista with 1GB. (not pulling your leg)
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I used to, but in my laptops case it was a bit less responsive than my XP machine when I upgraded to 4gb (3gb) of ram the relative performance difference vanished. I've been told 2gb is the magic number, but never tested with 1 stick of ram removed.
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Any app that uses the audio system will likely behave in strange ways. Been there, got the T-shirt. And something I use regularly (but which senility prevents me from remembering right now) just crashes on startup. Nero Burning ROM I think, old-ish version.
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Thank creative labs for that one. Audio was one of the two driver models to get heavily reworked (video the other one), thanks to Creative Labs inability to write a bugfree driver for the soundbastard the audio model was ripped out of the kernel and into usermode to keep it from being able to BSOD the OS. X|
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dojohansen wrote:
I'm curious though how exactly "most applications" would be designed in any way to deal with the 2GB memory limit. It seems to me this should be "a hidden implementation detail" of the OS and not something applications should be concerned with. I'd claim that application developers try to write reasonably efficient code making reasonable tradeoffs between time and space, but without any regard to a 2GB limit and indeed in most cases without even knowing about it's existence.
It should be except that the historic 2/2gb split resulted in lots of applications (and drivers) that use 32 bit SIGNED ints for pointers and blow up messily if they get an address in the 2nd 2GB of ram. This is why the /3gb (splits ram 3gb app, 1gb os) switch only gives extra memory to apps that explicitly say they can handle it. In win64 these apps get almost 4gb (a few memory holes are still kept for legacy support reasons) of addressable ram. It shouldn't be a painful change on a well designed app, but since it requires an extra round of testing not many people bothered, and at this point if real fixes are needed going x64 is much more future proof. PAE needs built into apps because it's a fugly kludge. PAE is a return to the bank switching the 16bit CPU era needed to access more than 64k of ram. X|
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I had no idea! Thanks! :-D
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Thank creative labs for that one. Audio was one of the two driver models to get heavily reworked (video the other one), thanks to Creative Labs inability to write a bugfree driver for the soundbastard the audio model was ripped out of the kernel and into usermode to keep it from being able to BSOD the OS. X|
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Well, that post (or, rather, sig) certainly made me laugh. It also interested me as I have noticed how much higher the overheads are in the Vista audio stack than under XP. So now I know a little more than I did before Dan, thx.
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I would think that since Aero uses plenty of system resources that you will reduce power consumption by removing it, it might be worth a try anyways...
What is the first thing Vista does when you start a WPF app? Start DirectX 10 and run that video card. (I know because my laptop has this nice feature of a loud fan as well as flashing lights that come on whenever DirextX is used)
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What is the first thing Vista does when you start a WPF app? Start DirectX 10 and run that video card. (I know because my laptop has this nice feature of a loud fan as well as flashing lights that come on whenever DirextX is used)
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Hi there. I'm using WinXp SP2. I'd like to know , it's good to use Windows Vista now ? Why? What are your reasons ?
My experience with Vista is not pleasant. Unfortunately, it is the direction MS is going. There will not be a choice except for using it in near future. The major inconvenince is the User Account Control which is on by default. If you are on a network, make sure you add yourself to the local admin group on your machine. Otherwise, Vista stops everything you try to do. I also had a great difficulty with Visual Studio on Vista. But this seems to be random. Not everyone has a problem.
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Sounds to me you could save some juice by removing those flashing lights dude ;P
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Happiness in intelligent people is the rarest thing I know. -- Ernest HemingwayI see, well you were the one concerned about power consumption... Cheers mate..
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I am using 32-bit Vista Home Premium. It works well even for development tasks.
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Sounds good, although I mean to remember that Home versions do not support connecting to a domain... but you might not need that
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I see, well you were the one concerned about power consumption... Cheers mate..
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Happiness in intelligent people is the rarest thing I know. -- Ernest Hemingwayyou wrote: "My work laptop is XP2 so I switched my personal laptop to Vista so I can be prepared in case the eventual switch ever occurs. I think some of the WPF things are neat, however, when I look at how much juice is draws from the laptop I wonder if companies have looked at the overhead cost of even developing in Vista. If your PC is drawing 200W/hrs to run a simple business app * 200 users that is a lot of power compared to the low draw that can be achieved with SP2 and an LCD. Heck, most of my apps business apps run near idle. But yet, I run Vista, no real reason. "
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Hi there. I'm using WinXp SP2. I'd like to know , it's good to use Windows Vista now ? Why? What are your reasons ?
I use Windows Vista, and have been doing so for about the past year. It has gotten better with time, (i.e. more stable etc.) If you have enough RAM, vista, in my mind, will be a good experience. More than just looking nicer, the integrated search is really nice. For me it is a big productivity enhancer. The OS feels a lot more secure, too. I like the UAC. (unlike many others) Vista does suffer from a perception problem, though. If that doesn't bother you, I recommend it.
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you wrote: "My work laptop is XP2 so I switched my personal laptop to Vista so I can be prepared in case the eventual switch ever occurs. I think some of the WPF things are neat, however, when I look at how much juice is draws from the laptop I wonder if companies have looked at the overhead cost of even developing in Vista. If your PC is drawing 200W/hrs to run a simple business app * 200 users that is a lot of power compared to the low draw that can be achieved with SP2 and an LCD. Heck, most of my apps business apps run near idle. But yet, I run Vista, no real reason. "
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simple business app * 200 users that is a lot of power compared to the low draw that can be achieved with SP2 and an LCD
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Christian Schiffer wrote:
simple business app * 200 users that is a lot of power compared to the low draw that can be achieved with SP2 and an LCD
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Having a bad day are we?
I just don't like it when people misread what I write or say. IRL, I come to expect it from non-developers because that is just the way those people are but online, on a programming forum I expect a certain amount of professional courtesy; and that includes reading, thinking, and then replying. Your entire reply chain has been nothing but misunderstanding me or baiting me. Even this last series when I specifically spelled out my point you insist that I must be having a bad day because you can't understand power consumption as an ROI issue.
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I just don't like it when people misread what I write or say. IRL, I come to expect it from non-developers because that is just the way those people are but online, on a programming forum I expect a certain amount of professional courtesy; and that includes reading, thinking, and then replying. Your entire reply chain has been nothing but misunderstanding me or baiting me. Even this last series when I specifically spelled out my point you insist that I must be having a bad day because you can't understand power consumption as an ROI issue.
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Happiness in intelligent people is the rarest thing I know. -- Ernest HemingwayWell than, I assumed you were ranting about power consumptions due to the fact that your using a laptop also. Here in Norway we don't worry much about using stationary power, we have lots of it, cheap. Have a good day.
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I use Windows Vista, and have been doing so for about the past year. It has gotten better with time, (i.e. more stable etc.) If you have enough RAM, vista, in my mind, will be a good experience. More than just looking nicer, the integrated search is really nice. For me it is a big productivity enhancer. The OS feels a lot more secure, too. I like the UAC. (unlike many others) Vista does suffer from a perception problem, though. If that doesn't bother you, I recommend it.
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Vista does suffer from a perception problem, though. If that doesn't bother you, I recommend it. Quote Selected Text
...and if it does bother you just get Mojave instead. :laugh:
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These limitations are due to the Win32 memory model. Win32 memory model was concepted in early 90's, when desktop machines were delivered with 4MB; at those times, 4 GibaByte was a really huge amount of memory. Microsoft decided to divide the addressable space (4GB) in two, 2GB, sections - one for the OS, the other for applications. Therefore, no Win32 application shall access more than its 2GB share of memory. Under this model, a machine running with 4GB is using intensively the 2GB share for apps and the first giga of the OS - the second is not used, in most desktops. Microsoft has noticed exactly this: the OS rarely uses completely its share of 2GB; so, they decided to support PAE (an hardware feature), to divide memory differently in 3GB for applications and 1GB for OS. However, few applications are prepared to PAE (mostly, server applications), so, the probability of having an app using the extra 1GB is relatively small. So, under the PAE model, you usually fall on the classic Win32 model: apps using franticly their 2GB (because they were not developed to take advantage of the extra giga), and OS kernel running in 1GB.
As far as I know, PAE is not used to modify the 2GB split between kernal and O/S, PAE is used to address memory ranges higher than 4 GB on 32 bit machines: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physical_Address_Extension[^] The /3GB switch is used to modify the 2GB split to 3GB for apps and 1GB for kernal. As far as the memory issue goes for the 3.xx cap on 32 bit machines, this also is explained through the way the 32 bit system works. A certain amount of addressable space must be reserved for video and other devices. This article by Crucial explains in detail http://www.crucial.com/kb/answer.aspx?qid=4251[^] Hope that helps - John
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As far as I know, PAE is not used to modify the 2GB split between kernal and O/S, PAE is used to address memory ranges higher than 4 GB on 32 bit machines: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physical_Address_Extension[^] The /3GB switch is used to modify the 2GB split to 3GB for apps and 1GB for kernal. As far as the memory issue goes for the 3.xx cap on 32 bit machines, this also is explained through the way the 32 bit system works. A certain amount of addressable space must be reserved for video and other devices. This article by Crucial explains in detail http://www.crucial.com/kb/answer.aspx?qid=4251[^] Hope that helps - John