VS2008 stability [modified]
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Chris Maunder wrote:
but I can't remember the last time VS 2005 crashed.
Can you remember the last time you used VS2005? :rolleyes:
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I'm seeing VS 2008 crash at least once every few days. Not a huge crash rate, but I can't remember the last time VS 2005 crashed. Is it just me? :( [Edit: A repeatable crash! I just have to select some HTML in an ASP.NET page and move the selection range around and *poof*. Bug submitted to Microsoft]
cheers, Chris Maunder
CodeProject.com : C++ MVP
modified on Wednesday, August 6, 2008 10:15 AM
Huh. I have quite the opposite experience. VS2005 would crash frequently, VS2008 seems quite stable. But then again, I'm only doing vanilla C# and C++ stuff. But while we're ranting, it so pisses me off how crappy the C++ side of things is. Here's my current peve: doing a "search all files" for a string simply returns "yes, this file contains the string". You actually have to search the file itself for all the occurances of the string. What BS. Marc
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Huh. I have quite the opposite experience. VS2005 would crash frequently, VS2008 seems quite stable. But then again, I'm only doing vanilla C# and C++ stuff. But while we're ranting, it so pisses me off how crappy the C++ side of things is. Here's my current peve: doing a "search all files" for a string simply returns "yes, this file contains the string". You actually have to search the file itself for all the occurances of the string. What BS. Marc
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Huh. I have quite the opposite experience. VS2005 would crash frequently, VS2008 seems quite stable. But then again, I'm only doing vanilla C# and C++ stuff. But while we're ranting, it so pisses me off how crappy the C++ side of things is. Here's my current peve: doing a "search all files" for a string simply returns "yes, this file contains the string". You actually have to search the file itself for all the occurances of the string. What BS. Marc
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I'm seeing VS 2008 crash at least once every few days. Not a huge crash rate, but I can't remember the last time VS 2005 crashed. Is it just me? :( [Edit: A repeatable crash! I just have to select some HTML in an ASP.NET page and move the selection range around and *poof*. Bug submitted to Microsoft]
cheers, Chris Maunder
CodeProject.com : C++ MVP
modified on Wednesday, August 6, 2008 10:15 AM
VS2005 crashes for me at work at least 3 times a week. Usually gets stuck on a build.
I'm largely language agnostic
After a while they all bug me :doh:
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Huh. I have quite the opposite experience. VS2005 would crash frequently, VS2008 seems quite stable. But then again, I'm only doing vanilla C# and C++ stuff. But while we're ranting, it so pisses me off how crappy the C++ side of things is. Here's my current peve: doing a "search all files" for a string simply returns "yes, this file contains the string". You actually have to search the file itself for all the occurances of the string. What BS. Marc
Marc Clifton wrote:
doing a "search all files" for a string simply returns "yes, this file contains the string". You actually have to search the file itself for all the occurances of the string. What BS.
:wtf: My 2008 Express certainly doesn't do that, it would have been unilaterally unistalled with extreme pedjudice a long time ago if if tried to pull anything like that. I live by Find in Files and tend to get very cranky on the fortunately fairly rare occassions when it tells lies, only searches half the files its been told to or refuses to switch off the Match Whole Word Only setting however many times I untick it. My tolerance for Micrononsense extends only so far :|
"The secret of happiness is freedom, and the secret of freedom, courage." Thucydides (B.C. 460-400)
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I'm seeing VS 2008 crash at least once every few days. Not a huge crash rate, but I can't remember the last time VS 2005 crashed. Is it just me? :( [Edit: A repeatable crash! I just have to select some HTML in an ASP.NET page and move the selection range around and *poof*. Bug submitted to Microsoft]
cheers, Chris Maunder
CodeProject.com : C++ MVP
modified on Wednesday, August 6, 2008 10:15 AM
VS2005 was flaky as hell 'till i installed SP1 and a hotfix or two. Crashes, freezes, bizarre corruption... I do recall noticing some regressions with VS2008, but then stopped using it for unmanaged code (i really hate crashes) - on the managed side of things, it's been quite stable for me.
Citizen 20.1.01
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Marc Clifton wrote:
doing a "search all files" for a string simply returns "yes, this file contains the string". You actually have to search the file itself for all the occurances of the string. What BS.
:wtf: My 2008 Express certainly doesn't do that, it would have been unilaterally unistalled with extreme pedjudice a long time ago if if tried to pull anything like that. I live by Find in Files and tend to get very cranky on the fortunately fairly rare occassions when it tells lies, only searches half the files its been told to or refuses to switch off the Match Whole Word Only setting however many times I untick it. My tolerance for Micrononsense extends only so far :|
"The secret of happiness is freedom, and the secret of freedom, courage." Thucydides (B.C. 460-400)
Matthew Faithfull wrote:
My 2008 Express certainly doesn't do that
Well, the C# find in files behaves correctly (or should I say "as desired") but C++ FiF doesn't. As leppie suggested, maybe it's an option. :rolleyes: Marc
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Did you change your result options?
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IronScheme - 1.0 alpha 4a out now (29 May 2008)leppie wrote:
Did you change your result options?
Oh good grief. I have to actually set this behavior as an option? :sigh: Marc
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Matthew Faithfull wrote:
My 2008 Express certainly doesn't do that
Well, the C# find in files behaves correctly (or should I say "as desired") but C++ FiF doesn't. As leppie suggested, maybe it's an option. :rolleyes: Marc
There's a checkbox under Results Options to Display file names only which behaves as expected in C#.
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leppie wrote:
Did you change your result options?
Oh good grief. I have to actually set this behavior as an option? :sigh: Marc
Marc Clifton wrote:
I have to actually set this behavior as an option?
Yeah... and while you're in there, turn off the "treat warnings as invitation to kill my family" option. Defaults are really screwy sometimes... :rolleyes:
Citizen 20.1.01
'The question is,' said Humpty Dumpty, 'which is to be master - that's all.'
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VS2005 was flaky as hell 'till i installed SP1 and a hotfix or two. Crashes, freezes, bizarre corruption... I do recall noticing some regressions with VS2008, but then stopped using it for unmanaged code (i really hate crashes) - on the managed side of things, it's been quite stable for me.
Citizen 20.1.01
'The question is,' said Humpty Dumpty, 'which is to be master - that's all.'
I still have to have Intellisense disabled (removed a Dll somewhere as per destructions from the internet ) to make VS2005 usable at all, otherwise a few seconds after I open my main project the UI freezes, processor usage goes to 98% and that's all folks :doh: .
"The secret of happiness is freedom, and the secret of freedom, courage." Thucydides (B.C. 460-400)
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I'm seeing VS 2008 crash at least once every few days. Not a huge crash rate, but I can't remember the last time VS 2005 crashed. Is it just me? :( [Edit: A repeatable crash! I just have to select some HTML in an ASP.NET page and move the selection range around and *poof*. Bug submitted to Microsoft]
cheers, Chris Maunder
CodeProject.com : C++ MVP
modified on Wednesday, August 6, 2008 10:15 AM
VS 2005 is much more unstable than VS 2008 in our environment. We rarely have problems with VS 2008 and native code development.
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I still have to have Intellisense disabled (removed a Dll somewhere as per destructions from the internet ) to make VS2005 usable at all, otherwise a few seconds after I open my main project the UI freezes, processor usage goes to 98% and that's all folks :doh: .
"The secret of happiness is freedom, and the secret of freedom, courage." Thucydides (B.C. 460-400)
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Have you tried this hotfix[^]?
Citizen 20.1.01
'The question is,' said Humpty Dumpty, 'which is to be master - that's all.'
No, I haven't, thanks for pointing that one out. I guess I haven't had VS2005 open while connected to the internet for a while now so I may well have missed it on the News Channel. I'll give it a try but I'm not that hopeful. I think the problem is related to pre-caching of intellisense data for certain MS components which I quietly 'replace' in my project with custom ones. When the Intellisense scan hits a mismatch it either goes into a loop or gets stuck trying to change readonly data. Still VS2008 doesn't seem to have a problem so it must be fixable :)
"The secret of happiness is freedom, and the secret of freedom, courage." Thucydides (B.C. 460-400)
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I'm seeing VS 2008 crash at least once every few days. Not a huge crash rate, but I can't remember the last time VS 2005 crashed. Is it just me? :( [Edit: A repeatable crash! I just have to select some HTML in an ASP.NET page and move the selection range around and *poof*. Bug submitted to Microsoft]
cheers, Chris Maunder
CodeProject.com : C++ MVP
modified on Wednesday, August 6, 2008 10:15 AM
Yes the HTML designer crashes. In fact it behaves unpredictably sometimes like losing all the markup.
Proud to be a CPHog user
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Have you tried this hotfix[^]?
Citizen 20.1.01
'The question is,' said Humpty Dumpty, 'which is to be master - that's all.'
Interesting... a hotfix for a hotfix. Wouldn't that promote it to a hotdamnfix?
-- Kein Mitleid Für Die Mehrheit
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I'm seeing VS 2008 crash at least once every few days. Not a huge crash rate, but I can't remember the last time VS 2005 crashed. Is it just me? :( [Edit: A repeatable crash! I just have to select some HTML in an ASP.NET page and move the selection range around and *poof*. Bug submitted to Microsoft]
cheers, Chris Maunder
CodeProject.com : C++ MVP
modified on Wednesday, August 6, 2008 10:15 AM
Chris Maunder wrote:
seeing VS 2008 crash at least once every few days.
Hmmm, been using VS2008 regularly since March and haven't really noticed it crashing here. Even with Vista :suss:
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I'm seeing VS 2008 crash at least once every few days. Not a huge crash rate, but I can't remember the last time VS 2005 crashed. Is it just me? :( [Edit: A repeatable crash! I just have to select some HTML in an ASP.NET page and move the selection range around and *poof*. Bug submitted to Microsoft]
cheers, Chris Maunder
CodeProject.com : C++ MVP
modified on Wednesday, August 6, 2008 10:15 AM
Chris Maunder wrote:
I can't remember the last time VS 2005 crashed.
Most definitely once every few days for me. I don't know how you manage a non-crashing VS 2005.
Kevin
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Marc Clifton wrote:
doing a "search all files" for a string simply returns "yes, this file contains the string". You actually have to search the file itself for all the occurances of the string. What BS.
:wtf: My 2008 Express certainly doesn't do that, it would have been unilaterally unistalled with extreme pedjudice a long time ago if if tried to pull anything like that. I live by Find in Files and tend to get very cranky on the fortunately fairly rare occassions when it tells lies, only searches half the files its been told to or refuses to switch off the Match Whole Word Only setting however many times I untick it. My tolerance for Micrononsense extends only so far :|
"The secret of happiness is freedom, and the secret of freedom, courage." Thucydides (B.C. 460-400)
To be frank, Find in Files was at its best in VC++ 5/6. Since then it's left a bit to be desired. I sometimes resort to TextPad's Find in Files instead which is better implemented. I also use Notepad++ but it's not as good as TextPad in this particular area.
Kevin