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  • M Marc Clifton

    leppie wrote:

    Did you change your result options?

    Oh good grief. I have to actually set this behavior as an option? :sigh: Marc

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    Marc Clifton wrote:

    I have to actually set this behavior as an option?

    Yeah... and while you're in there, turn off the "treat warnings as invitation to kill my family" option. Defaults are really screwy sometimes... :rolleyes:

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      VS2005 was flaky as hell 'till i installed SP1 and a hotfix or two. Crashes, freezes, bizarre corruption... I do recall noticing some regressions with VS2008, but then stopped using it for unmanaged code (i really hate crashes) - on the managed side of things, it's been quite stable for me.

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      Matthew Faithfull
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      I still have to have Intellisense disabled (removed a Dll somewhere as per destructions from the internet ) to make VS2005 usable at all, otherwise a few seconds after I open my main project the UI freezes, processor usage goes to 98% and that's all folks :doh: .

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      • C Chris Maunder

        I'm seeing VS 2008 crash at least once every few days. Not a huge crash rate, but I can't remember the last time VS 2005 crashed. Is it just me? :( [Edit: A repeatable crash! I just have to select some HTML in an ASP.NET page and move the selection range around and *poof*. Bug submitted to Microsoft]

        cheers, Chris Maunder

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        Gene OK
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        VS 2005 is much more unstable than VS 2008 in our environment. We rarely have problems with VS 2008 and native code development.

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        • M Matthew Faithfull

          I still have to have Intellisense disabled (removed a Dll somewhere as per destructions from the internet ) to make VS2005 usable at all, otherwise a few seconds after I open my main project the UI freezes, processor usage goes to 98% and that's all folks :doh: .

          "The secret of happiness is freedom, and the secret of freedom, courage." Thucydides (B.C. 460-400)

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          Have you tried this hotfix[^]?

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            Have you tried this hotfix[^]?

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            Matthew Faithfull
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            No, I haven't, thanks for pointing that one out. I guess I haven't had VS2005 open while connected to the internet for a while now so I may well have missed it on the News Channel. I'll give it a try but I'm not that hopeful. I think the problem is related to pre-caching of intellisense data for certain MS components which I quietly 'replace' in my project with custom ones. When the Intellisense scan hits a mismatch it either goes into a loop or gets stuck trying to change readonly data. Still VS2008 doesn't seem to have a problem so it must be fixable :)

            "The secret of happiness is freedom, and the secret of freedom, courage." Thucydides (B.C. 460-400)

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            • C Chris Maunder

              I'm seeing VS 2008 crash at least once every few days. Not a huge crash rate, but I can't remember the last time VS 2005 crashed. Is it just me? :( [Edit: A repeatable crash! I just have to select some HTML in an ASP.NET page and move the selection range around and *poof*. Bug submitted to Microsoft]

              cheers, Chris Maunder

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              modified on Wednesday, August 6, 2008 10:15 AM

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              Rama Krishna Vavilala
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              Yes the HTML designer crashes. In fact it behaves unpredictably sometimes like losing all the markup.

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                Have you tried this hotfix[^]?

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                Jorgen Sigvardsson
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                Interesting... a hotfix for a hotfix. Wouldn't that promote it to a hotdamnfix?

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                • C Chris Maunder

                  I'm seeing VS 2008 crash at least once every few days. Not a huge crash rate, but I can't remember the last time VS 2005 crashed. Is it just me? :( [Edit: A repeatable crash! I just have to select some HTML in an ASP.NET page and move the selection range around and *poof*. Bug submitted to Microsoft]

                  cheers, Chris Maunder

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                  modified on Wednesday, August 6, 2008 10:15 AM

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                  Paul Conrad
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                  Chris Maunder wrote:

                  seeing VS 2008 crash at least once every few days.

                  Hmmm, been using VS2008 regularly since March and haven't really noticed it crashing here. Even with Vista :suss:

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                  • C Chris Maunder

                    I'm seeing VS 2008 crash at least once every few days. Not a huge crash rate, but I can't remember the last time VS 2005 crashed. Is it just me? :( [Edit: A repeatable crash! I just have to select some HTML in an ASP.NET page and move the selection range around and *poof*. Bug submitted to Microsoft]

                    cheers, Chris Maunder

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                    modified on Wednesday, August 6, 2008 10:15 AM

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                    Chris Maunder wrote:

                    I can't remember the last time VS 2005 crashed.

                    Most definitely once every few days for me. I don't know how you manage a non-crashing VS 2005.

                    Kevin

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                    • M Matthew Faithfull

                      Marc Clifton wrote:

                      doing a "search all files" for a string simply returns "yes, this file contains the string". You actually have to search the file itself for all the occurances of the string. What BS.

                      :wtf: My 2008 Express certainly doesn't do that, it would have been unilaterally unistalled with extreme pedjudice a long time ago if if tried to pull anything like that. I live by Find in Files and tend to get very cranky on the fortunately fairly rare occassions when it tells lies, only searches half the files its been told to or refuses to switch off the Match Whole Word Only setting however many times I untick it. My tolerance for Micrononsense extends only so far :|

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                      To be frank, Find in Files was at its best in VC++ 5/6. Since then it's left a bit to be desired. I sometimes resort to TextPad's Find in Files instead which is better implemented. I also use Notepad++ but it's not as good as TextPad in this particular area.

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                        VS2005 was flaky as hell 'till i installed SP1 and a hotfix or two. Crashes, freezes, bizarre corruption... I do recall noticing some regressions with VS2008, but then stopped using it for unmanaged code (i really hate crashes) - on the managed side of things, it's been quite stable for me.

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                        Kevin McFarlane
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                        Have you ever had VS 2005 crash where it just disappears? No crash dialog, nothing. It's happened to me a few times. Spooky!

                        Kevin

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                        • J Jorgen Sigvardsson

                          Interesting... a hotfix for a hotfix. Wouldn't that promote it to a hotdamnfix?

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                          Beats me, but if VS2005 is craving cinnamon schnapps then it would certainly explain a lot... ...and raise additional, disturbing, questions...

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                          • K Kevin McFarlane

                            Have you ever had VS 2005 crash where it just disappears? No crash dialog, nothing. It's happened to me a few times. Spooky!

                            Kevin

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                            Once or twice i think. Nothing i wouldn't readily blame on a lack of system resources though; VS tends to chew up a lot of GDI objects for instance, and if i end up with 20-30 Explorer windows open as well then everything starts getting sketchy... :sigh:

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                            • C Chris Maunder

                              I'm seeing VS 2008 crash at least once every few days. Not a huge crash rate, but I can't remember the last time VS 2005 crashed. Is it just me? :( [Edit: A repeatable crash! I just have to select some HTML in an ASP.NET page and move the selection range around and *poof*. Bug submitted to Microsoft]

                              cheers, Chris Maunder

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                              modified on Wednesday, August 6, 2008 10:15 AM

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                              I don't think I've ever had either crash. But I don't do Web. I also log out every day.

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                              • K Kevin McFarlane

                                To be frank, Find in Files was at its best in VC++ 5/6. Since then it's left a bit to be desired. I sometimes resort to TextPad's Find in Files instead which is better implemented. I also use Notepad++ but it's not as good as TextPad in this particular area.

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                                Matthew Faithfull
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                                Hmm, not sure I'd agree with that I think it is slowly improving, VC++5/6 would spew error messages for every Unicode file often swamping the search results and rendering them useless and recent versions seem to be less inclined to pull the '0 files found' instant response trick that winds me up something terrible, especially when I can see at least one instance of my search term in an open saved file right in front of me and the tool claims it can't find it. It used to a happen as often as once or twice a day when I started out with VC6 but it's been a few weeks since I've had one with VS2005 and I don't think VS2008 Express has done it to me yet. Having said that VS2005 does occassionaly get lost while searching and never complete which I don't ever remember with VC6. At least it can be cancelled though. I also resort to Notepad++ on occassion but I've not really made use of search functions. I'll take a look next time. :)

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                                • L leppie

                                  Chris Maunder wrote:

                                  but I can't remember the last time VS 2005 crashed.

                                  Can you remember the last time you used VS2005? :rolleyes:

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                                  I can't remember what I had for breakfast...

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                                  • M Marc Clifton

                                    Huh. I have quite the opposite experience. VS2005 would crash frequently, VS2008 seems quite stable. But then again, I'm only doing vanilla C# and C++ stuff. But while we're ranting, it so pisses me off how crappy the C++ side of things is. Here's my current peve: doing a "search all files" for a string simply returns "yes, this file contains the string". You actually have to search the file itself for all the occurances of the string. What BS. Marc

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                                    I've got a similar problem. I used to have the 'search in all solutions' field in the toolbar area in previous versions of vs.net. Now for the life of me I can't figure out how to get it there again. And I have looked.... :(

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                                      I can't remember what I had for breakfast...

                                      "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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                                      "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001

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                                      You need to eat better breakfasts...

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                                        I can't remember what I had for breakfast...

                                        "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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                                        "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001

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                                        Gary Wheeler
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                                        I remember what I had for breakfast; a bowl of cereal. Of course, that's what I've always eaten for breakfast, so I might be remembering breakfast from ten years ago.

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                                          Marc Clifton wrote:

                                          I have to actually set this behavior as an option?

                                          Yeah... and while you're in there, turn off the "treat warnings as invitation to kill my family" option. Defaults are really screwy sometimes... :rolleyes:

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                                          Gary Wheeler
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                                          Shog9 wrote:

                                          turn off the "treat warnings as invitation to kill my family" option

                                          Do they at least let you choose which family they kill?

                                          Software Zen: delete this;

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