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  • D Dan Neely

    At a guess it came to the US in the late 19th/early 20th century. IIRC that's when we got a ton of Scandinavian immigrants.

    Today's lesson is brought to you by the word "niggardly". Remember kids, don't attribute to racism what can be explained by Scandinavian language roots. -- Robert Royall

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    Jorgen Sigvardsson
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    Yup. That's when times were really hard over here. If I'm not mistaken, pretty much all the states bordering to Canada, are infested with offspring of Scandinavian immigrants. Ja? ;) I remember visiting Seattle in -98, and damn, there were Norwegian stores everywhere! I even spoke Swedish with a store clerk (Swedes and Norwegians understand each other fairly easy).

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      Chris Maunder wrote:

      but I can't remember the last time VS 2005 crashed.

      Can you remember the last time you used VS2005? :rolleyes:

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      TCHamilton
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      I've had problems with both 2005 and 2008. 2005 when I bring on WCF/WPF extensions, and especially when using the MS C# Source Code Analyzer. I landed up abandoning the Code Analyser( FxCop seems to not be a problem, though). Vanilla versions were pretty stable on a clean install, but if there were beta's then things seem to get flaky / poof!/gone. Weird things happen with WF extensions and you really need Aaron Stebner's advice when things go bad.

      Tom Hamilton Sacramento, CA

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      • C Chris Maunder

        I'm seeing VS 2008 crash at least once every few days. Not a huge crash rate, but I can't remember the last time VS 2005 crashed. Is it just me? :( [Edit: A repeatable crash! I just have to select some HTML in an ASP.NET page and move the selection range around and *poof*. Bug submitted to Microsoft]

        cheers, Chris Maunder

        CodeProject.com : C++ MVP

        modified on Wednesday, August 6, 2008 10:15 AM

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        JourneyWare
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        Has the same problem. I was restarting VS2008 8-10 times per day. Did the following and have not had this issue since. 1.Run the command prompt under administrator a.Right click on command prompt and select run as administrator 2.Run this command: BCDEDIT /Set IncreaseUserVa 3072 (3072 is 3GB Virtual RAM) 3.Navigate to C:\Program Files\Microsoft Visual Studio 9.0\Common7\IDE a.Backup devenv.exe 4.Navigate to C:\Program Files\Microsoft Visual Studio 9.0\VC\bin\ a.Verify that editbin.exe exists 5.If editbin.exe is there in the command prompt run this command: a."C:\Program Files\Microsoft Visual Studio 9.0\VC\bin\editbin.exe" /LARGEADDRESSAWARE "C:\Program Files\Microsoft Visual Studio 9.0\Common7\IDE\devenv.exe" b.You may get an error or two asking you to debug, just say no 6.Reboot your computer and hopefully it works for you

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        • J Jorgen Sigvardsson

          Yup. That's when times were really hard over here. If I'm not mistaken, pretty much all the states bordering to Canada, are infested with offspring of Scandinavian immigrants. Ja? ;) I remember visiting Seattle in -98, and damn, there were Norwegian stores everywhere! I even spoke Swedish with a store clerk (Swedes and Norwegians understand each other fairly easy).

          -- Kein Mitleid Für Die Mehrheit

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          Dan Neely
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          I didn't realize there was a large presence out west, but I know Minnesota and northern Michigan had large populations. I find it kinda ironic that those people choose to settle in an area with a winter as harsh as the old country instead of taking the opportunity to move somewhere less bitter..

          Today's lesson is brought to you by the word "niggardly". Remember kids, don't attribute to racism what can be explained by Scandinavian language roots. -- Robert Royall

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          • P Paul Sanders the other one

            Just cancel the build and restart it. At least, this works for me (in C++ projects). I find that the debugger hangs periodically (again in C++ projects), and in such a way to also hang Explorer. The only solution is to kill devenv.exe, which you have to do from the command line as Explorer is not available. Bye bye context, breakpoints, bookmarks, watched variables etc :( I would upgrade to VS 2008 but the Edit 'n Continue feature is broken - it works but does not report compiler errors. This is a show-stopper for me as I use Edit 'n Continue extensively.

            Paul Sanders http://www.alpinesoft.co.uk

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            MidwestLimey
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            Oh, if only it were that easy :D When I say stuck, I mean kill the damn devenv.exe process stuck!


            I'm largely language agnostic


            After a while they all bug me :doh:


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            • M Marc Clifton

              Huh. I have quite the opposite experience. VS2005 would crash frequently, VS2008 seems quite stable. But then again, I'm only doing vanilla C# and C++ stuff. But while we're ranting, it so pisses me off how crappy the C++ side of things is. Here's my current peve: doing a "search all files" for a string simply returns "yes, this file contains the string". You actually have to search the file itself for all the occurances of the string. What BS. Marc

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              Hardik Varma
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              You probably have the display file names only checkbox checked

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              • D Dan Neely

                I didn't realize there was a large presence out west, but I know Minnesota and northern Michigan had large populations. I find it kinda ironic that those people choose to settle in an area with a winter as harsh as the old country instead of taking the opportunity to move somewhere less bitter..

                Today's lesson is brought to you by the word "niggardly". Remember kids, don't attribute to racism what can be explained by Scandinavian language roots. -- Robert Royall

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                Jorgen Sigvardsson
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                I suppose it's all about what you're used to. A lot of immigrants were farmers, and I suppose they played it safe. All they had to do was to relocate - they didn't have to relearn everything that comes with a totally different climate. Personally, I would've immigrated to Florida or something like that. :)

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                • C Chris Maunder

                  I'm seeing VS 2008 crash at least once every few days. Not a huge crash rate, but I can't remember the last time VS 2005 crashed. Is it just me? :( [Edit: A repeatable crash! I just have to select some HTML in an ASP.NET page and move the selection range around and *poof*. Bug submitted to Microsoft]

                  cheers, Chris Maunder

                  CodeProject.com : C++ MVP

                  modified on Wednesday, August 6, 2008 10:15 AM

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                  larryr ch2m
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                  It's not just you. I've had repeated crashes when trying to add icons to a menu strip in [Design] mode. The stupid program blows away everything I've done and usually I get obtuse (read meaningless) error messages and can no longer access the form I was just creating! :mad::mad::mad:

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                  • C Chris Maunder

                    I'm seeing VS 2008 crash at least once every few days. Not a huge crash rate, but I can't remember the last time VS 2005 crashed. Is it just me? :( [Edit: A repeatable crash! I just have to select some HTML in an ASP.NET page and move the selection range around and *poof*. Bug submitted to Microsoft]

                    cheers, Chris Maunder

                    CodeProject.com : C++ MVP

                    modified on Wednesday, August 6, 2008 10:15 AM

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                    I've been developing on Vista with VS05 since Vista shipped and for me VS05 was anything but stable on Vista. It used to crash so often that it went beyond frustrating to infuriating to so commonplace I hardly noticed. Sometimes not just several times in a day but several times per hour. It happened so often I wrote a command script to clean out the process space in the event there were orphaned processes etc, and put a shortcut on the desktop. Having VS05 crash, then clicking that link and restarting got to be so common I hardly noticed, it was just part of the dev process, like syncing/merging. We switched to VS08 several weeks back, and I've not had anywhere near the problems. To be honest I can't recall if it has crashed, because having VS/VSS (or one of the tools) crash on Vista has been so commonplace that, like I said, I hardly notice. Personally I long for the days of XP and stable VS05, when I could lock my machine at night in the middle of a debug session, come in the morning and unlock the machine and as soon as it repainted hit F10 and be in the next line of code, just where I left off (unless some type of timing etc was involved of course.) I can't even leave my Vista machine booted, much less logged-in/locked/in the middle of a debug session. Half the time Vista stops recognizing the KVM sometime over the course of the night and becomes completely unresponsive, at which point I have to power-down right in the middle of everything. That's much more painful than having to shut down everything and power down/up. I've tried contacting MS and/or submitting bugs, but all they do is immediately start questioning everything I do and so on, round and round, basically blowing me off and treating me like I'm the bug instead of their products.

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                    • R realJSOP

                      I can't remember what I had for breakfast...

                      "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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                      I can't remember last time I had breakfast.

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                      • C Chris Maunder

                        I'm seeing VS 2008 crash at least once every few days. Not a huge crash rate, but I can't remember the last time VS 2005 crashed. Is it just me? :( [Edit: A repeatable crash! I just have to select some HTML in an ASP.NET page and move the selection range around and *poof*. Bug submitted to Microsoft]

                        cheers, Chris Maunder

                        CodeProject.com : C++ MVP

                        modified on Wednesday, August 6, 2008 10:15 AM

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                        jwhite9
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                        I've been using it for several months at work, and I haven't had any problems with it.

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                        • M Marc Clifton

                          Huh. I have quite the opposite experience. VS2005 would crash frequently, VS2008 seems quite stable. But then again, I'm only doing vanilla C# and C++ stuff. But while we're ranting, it so pisses me off how crappy the C++ side of things is. Here's my current peve: doing a "search all files" for a string simply returns "yes, this file contains the string". You actually have to search the file itself for all the occurances of the string. What BS. Marc

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                          mardoek
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                          I have the same experience. VS2005 Crashed at least once a day. vs2005 had a lot of problems with the winform designers, sometimes it just crashed, somtimes it gave a lot of designer errors. I still remember the days of vs2005 having to clean/rebuild, close vs2005 and rebuild before I could open a form designer. In VS 2008 I have no problems whith the designers in winforms. On the other hand, the designers for asp.net are so slow, it is better to use notepad if you want to edit your webpages. It should be fixed in sp1 of 2008, I hope it is true.

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                          • M Marc Clifton

                            Huh. I have quite the opposite experience. VS2005 would crash frequently, VS2008 seems quite stable. But then again, I'm only doing vanilla C# and C++ stuff. But while we're ranting, it so pisses me off how crappy the C++ side of things is. Here's my current peve: doing a "search all files" for a string simply returns "yes, this file contains the string". You actually have to search the file itself for all the occurances of the string. What BS. Marc

                            Thyme In The Country Interacx My Blog

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                            makkak
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                            VC++ 2008 crashes for me when I do "find all references." I think searching in VS2008 sucks. When I need to do multifile searching and replacing, I use Notepad++.

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                            • C Chris Maunder

                              I'm seeing VS 2008 crash at least once every few days. Not a huge crash rate, but I can't remember the last time VS 2005 crashed. Is it just me? :( [Edit: A repeatable crash! I just have to select some HTML in an ASP.NET page and move the selection range around and *poof*. Bug submitted to Microsoft]

                              cheers, Chris Maunder

                              CodeProject.com : C++ MVP

                              modified on Wednesday, August 6, 2008 10:15 AM

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                              Abhishek Sur
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                              I am using 2005.. and just started using 2008. But in my case... 2005 crashes... generally during update of one project bound with source control. VS 2008 works fine on me...

                              Abhishek Sur
                              Web Developer

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