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How can you write articles about it and not violate the NDA? :confused:
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Fold With Us![^]The NDA will be lifted as soon as the 2.1 version is released.
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Why on earth is the iPhone SDK covered by a NDA? Do they not want people writing software for it? Madness. Anyway, since CP has moved away from being MS-centric, why not. It would be interesting to see how development in the Apple world works.
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Apple's whole approach is IMO insane, although I suspect the rationale is to keep the thing virus free, which I would say DOES make a lot of sense. The NDA is something else again, I am thinking more of the nightmares around deployment etc when I say that. Apple dev is interesting, the tools don't help you as much, the language is not as pretty, the end result does feel like real programming tho.
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Apple's whole approach is IMO insane, although I suspect the rationale is to keep the thing virus free, which I would say DOES make a lot of sense. The NDA is something else again, I am thinking more of the nightmares around deployment etc when I say that. Apple dev is interesting, the tools don't help you as much, the language is not as pretty, the end result does feel like real programming tho.
Christian Graus No longer a Microsoft MVP, but still happy to answer your questions.
Christian Graus wrote:
Apple's whole approach is IMO insane, although I suspect the rationale is to keep the thing virus free, which I would say DOES make a lot of sense.
It doesn't really make a lot (or any) sense. They are using security by obscurity. That is insane!
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Christian Graus wrote:
Apple's whole approach is IMO insane, although I suspect the rationale is to keep the thing virus free, which I would say DOES make a lot of sense.
It doesn't really make a lot (or any) sense. They are using security by obscurity. That is insane!
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Like I said, I was more thinking of deployment. To deploy an Apple app, you need to do it through the app store, and you need to buy a license that allows you to build apps for their store. There's no other viable deployment method I can see for companies wanting to sell their apps to people outside their organisation. Part of this is probably just money ( they get a percentage on all sales ), but part of it is also that the tight control means they can stop an app from working, from being available, etc. The NDA thing is b/c some of it is prerelease, I think, although everything I am using, works with my phone. It may be that they want to release a book or two before anyone else is allowed to talk about it.
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Like I said, I was more thinking of deployment. To deploy an Apple app, you need to do it through the app store, and you need to buy a license that allows you to build apps for their store. There's no other viable deployment method I can see for companies wanting to sell their apps to people outside their organisation. Part of this is probably just money ( they get a percentage on all sales ), but part of it is also that the tight control means they can stop an app from working, from being available, etc. The NDA thing is b/c some of it is prerelease, I think, although everything I am using, works with my phone. It may be that they want to release a book or two before anyone else is allowed to talk about it.
Christian Graus No longer a Microsoft MVP, but still happy to answer your questions.
It sounds so typically Apple. They make a great product, and then turn around and screw the very people (e.g. developers) who could help send it through the roof. Dumb.
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It sounds so typically Apple. They make a great product, and then turn around and screw the very people (e.g. developers) who could help send it through the roof. Dumb.
Software Zen:
delete this;
Fold With Us![^]Yeah, that's how it seems to me, too.
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The NDA will be lifted as soon as the 2.1 version is released.
Christian Graus No longer a Microsoft MVP, but still happy to answer your questions.
Christian Graus wrote:
the 2.1 version
Does it have a kill switch too?
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Christian Graus wrote:
the 2.1 version
Does it have a kill switch too?
Member number three million seven hundred seventy two thousand nine hundred sixty three
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Like I said, I was more thinking of deployment. To deploy an Apple app, you need to do it through the app store, and you need to buy a license that allows you to build apps for their store. There's no other viable deployment method I can see for companies wanting to sell their apps to people outside their organisation. Part of this is probably just money ( they get a percentage on all sales ), but part of it is also that the tight control means they can stop an app from working, from being available, etc. The NDA thing is b/c some of it is prerelease, I think, although everything I am using, works with my phone. It may be that they want to release a book or two before anyone else is allowed to talk about it.
Christian Graus No longer a Microsoft MVP, but still happy to answer your questions.
What's to prevent a company from putting an iPhone app on its website and selling it from there? Or are you saying that the only way to upload an app to an iPhone is via the store? If so, my first article will be How to bypass the iPhone Store and sell your app.
Best wishes, Hans
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As some of you may know, I've been coding for the iPhone. The iPhone SDK is under NDA right now, and the apple docs are as good as the MS docs, which means a lot of things that should be easy, are a nightmare. It seems to me that there's a real opening for a site like CP that has iPhone and Cocoa articles and forums. How many of you guys write for Apple and think that's a good idea ? For the record, the two possibilities I am exploring here are 1 - such a site exists and I didn't know about it, or 2 - Chris should add an Apple next to SQL/Java/*nix on the CP toolbar. Fact is, I've been kicked out of the MS MVP program , the MS centric forums tend to be depressing with repetitive questions at the most basic level and one votes for helpful answers, I'm feeling disillusioned about contributing to helping people use Microsoft products, but I still love being part of CP, it would make me very happy if I could write articles on the iPhone and have them appear here.
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Christian Graus wrote:
I've been kicked out of the MS MVP program
How did you get kicked out? Did I miss that story? Marc
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Christian Graus wrote:
Apple's whole approach is IMO insane, although I suspect the rationale is to keep the thing virus free, which I would say DOES make a lot of sense.
It doesn't really make a lot (or any) sense. They are using security by obscurity. That is insane!
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Colin Angus Mackay wrote:
They are using security by obscurity. That is insane!
Isn't that the goal of .NET obfuscators? ;) Marc
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Christian Graus wrote:
I've been kicked out of the MS MVP program
How did you get kicked out? Did I miss that story? Marc
Marc Clifton wrote:
How did you get kicked out?
An apple a day, keep Microsoft away? :)
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What's to prevent a company from putting an iPhone app on its website and selling it from there? Or are you saying that the only way to upload an app to an iPhone is via the store? If so, my first article will be How to bypass the iPhone Store and sell your app.
Best wishes, Hans
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In fact, a jailbroken phone will accept any app. otherwise, it needs to come via the store, or have a special provisioning file created, a license from Apple to write apps lets you provision for 100 phones, but it's a slow back and forth process. Trouble is, the only solution is to jailbreak the phone and not everyone wants to do that.
Christian Graus No longer a Microsoft MVP, but still happy to answer your questions.
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Christian Graus wrote:
I've been kicked out of the MS MVP program
How did you get kicked out? Did I miss that story? Marc
I don't know. The official story was that I was working for CP so my CP contributions didn't count anymore. But, Nish worked for CP for years, and I worked for at least a year and kept my MVP. The next iteration, quite a few MVPs nominated me and I was not awarded, but new MVPs who post answers a lot less than me, were. My two theories are that someone noticed that I encourage people to think instead of doing their work for them, and they don't like that, or I am out for not liking Vista and saying so publically. I wasn't kicked out, out of the blue. The program does not allow for that. You're re-awarded every year, there are four award dates in a year, and I was removed and not reawarded.
Christian Graus No longer a Microsoft MVP, but still happy to answer your questions.
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I don't know. The official story was that I was working for CP so my CP contributions didn't count anymore. But, Nish worked for CP for years, and I worked for at least a year and kept my MVP. The next iteration, quite a few MVPs nominated me and I was not awarded, but new MVPs who post answers a lot less than me, were. My two theories are that someone noticed that I encourage people to think instead of doing their work for them, and they don't like that, or I am out for not liking Vista and saying so publically. I wasn't kicked out, out of the blue. The program does not allow for that. You're re-awarded every year, there are four award dates in a year, and I was removed and not reawarded.
Christian Graus No longer a Microsoft MVP, but still happy to answer your questions.
Christian Graus wrote:
I wasn't kicked out, out of the blue. The program does not allow for that. You're re-awarded every year, there are four award dates in a year, and I was removed and not reawarded.
Ah. Sorry to hear that. I suspect my MVP award will be at risk (Jan) because I've hardly contributed to CP this year, given all the stuff going on in my life. Well, I'm keeping my fingers crossed. :) Marc
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Colin Angus Mackay wrote:
They are using security by obscurity. That is insane!
Isn't that the goal of .NET obfuscators? ;) Marc
Marc Clifton wrote:
Isn't that the goal of .NET obfuscators?
Yes, but I don't use them.
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Christian Graus wrote:
I wasn't kicked out, out of the blue. The program does not allow for that. You're re-awarded every year, there are four award dates in a year, and I was removed and not reawarded.
Ah. Sorry to hear that. I suspect my MVP award will be at risk (Jan) because I've hardly contributed to CP this year, given all the stuff going on in my life. Well, I'm keeping my fingers crossed. :) Marc
Well, I wonder if I can give you my posts ? Apparently it doesn't matter anymore how much I help people, so.....
Christian Graus No longer a Microsoft MVP, but still happy to answer your questions.
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Well, I wonder if I can give you my posts ? Apparently it doesn't matter anymore how much I help people, so.....
Christian Graus No longer a Microsoft MVP, but still happy to answer your questions.
Christian Graus wrote:
Apparently it doesn't matter anymore how much I help people, so.....
Sadly, I've found that to be something of a universal truth. Marc
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I don't know. The official story was that I was working for CP so my CP contributions didn't count anymore. But, Nish worked for CP for years, and I worked for at least a year and kept my MVP. The next iteration, quite a few MVPs nominated me and I was not awarded, but new MVPs who post answers a lot less than me, were. My two theories are that someone noticed that I encourage people to think instead of doing their work for them, and they don't like that, or I am out for not liking Vista and saying so publically. I wasn't kicked out, out of the blue. The program does not allow for that. You're re-awarded every year, there are four award dates in a year, and I was removed and not reawarded.
Christian Graus No longer a Microsoft MVP, but still happy to answer your questions.
Christian Graus wrote:
or I am out for not liking Vista and saying so publically.
My bets on this one... Microsoft have done a hell of a lot to try and get a good reputation for Vista (no matter how much they tried, they still failed)
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As some of you may know, I've been coding for the iPhone. The iPhone SDK is under NDA right now, and the apple docs are as good as the MS docs, which means a lot of things that should be easy, are a nightmare. It seems to me that there's a real opening for a site like CP that has iPhone and Cocoa articles and forums. How many of you guys write for Apple and think that's a good idea ? For the record, the two possibilities I am exploring here are 1 - such a site exists and I didn't know about it, or 2 - Chris should add an Apple next to SQL/Java/*nix on the CP toolbar. Fact is, I've been kicked out of the MS MVP program , the MS centric forums tend to be depressing with repetitive questions at the most basic level and one votes for helpful answers, I'm feeling disillusioned about contributing to helping people use Microsoft products, but I still love being part of CP, it would make me very happy if I could write articles on the iPhone and have them appear here.
Christian Graus No longer a Microsoft MVP, but still happy to answer your questions.
I would definately read intro articles on iPhone development but I wouldn't be doing any actual development. I did some apple / cocoa development stuff at my previous job. Do they have an emulator for the iPhone?
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