Luts Reflector purchased by Red Gate
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Shog9 wrote:
Eh, but Developer tagged it as a repost the first time around
You're taking him at his word?
Deja View - the feeling that you've seen this post before.
No, Shog9 realises I didn't repost the link. He is merely making fun of the fact that Developer still called "repost" when it wasn't. Now, since there now IS a repost, any calling of report is negated since it was called before it really was. Keeping up with me here, because I'm beginning to get lost...
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No, Shog9 realises I didn't repost the link. He is merely making fun of the fact that Developer still called "repost" when it wasn't. Now, since there now IS a repost, any calling of report is negated since it was called before it really was. Keeping up with me here, because I'm beginning to get lost...
Recent blog posts: *SQL Server / Visual Studio install order *Installing SQL Server 2005 on Vista *Crazy Extension Methods Redux * Mixins My Blog
Sorry, I should have put the joke icon on my post. I was aiming (unsuccessfully it seems) at ironic. :)
Deja View - the feeling that you've seen this post before.
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Call it paranoia if you want, but when i sign up for a demo (as opposed to, say, a beta test), i don't ever want to get more than a single email - the one with the temporary license key - from the company behind it. Finding out that my email is being stored and used for marketing / follow-up purposes leaves a bad taste in my mouth. And yet, twice i've tried demos from Red Gate, and twice i've received follow-up emails. Not as bad as another company (that will remain nameless for the time being), who actually called me on several occasions... but still annoying. I'll hold out hope that they've changed their stripes when it comes to Reflector... but i'll remain skeptical (and use fake email addresses) until proven otherwise.
Citizen 20.1.01
'The question is,' said Humpty Dumpty, 'which is to be master - that's all.'
Shog9 wrote:
Call it paranoia if you want
I will. I've not had this problem. OTOH, when I've bought software from vendors such as QBS I subsequently get emails and postal catalogues advertising other products. I don't mind this. Not much difference from downloading free software and then being marketed to. Usually, you can opt out anyway. But if you don't like it don't sign up.
Kevin
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Shog9 wrote:
Call it paranoia if you want
I will. I've not had this problem. OTOH, when I've bought software from vendors such as QBS I subsequently get emails and postal catalogues advertising other products. I don't mind this. Not much difference from downloading free software and then being marketed to. Usually, you can opt out anyway. But if you don't like it don't sign up.
Kevin
Kevin McFarlane wrote:
OTOH, when I've bought software from vendors such as QBS I subsequently get emails and postal catalogues advertising other products.
Yeah, i get waaay more unwanted email from banks, insurance companies, department stores, seed catalogs... but i kinda expect that. I mean, they're obviously big, soulless companies with marketing departments who would cheerfully disembowel their own grandmothers if it would lead to more sales. Abuse is just the cost of dealing with them. But software demos? When i go to the grocery store, i don't need proof of ID to get a sample of whatever mustard dip they're trying to sell that week. When i go to the bar, they don't need my home address before i get to taste the new beer on tap. And when i don't like the dip or beer, i can walk out or buy something else without getting nagged by the proprieter.
Kevin McFarlane wrote:
But if you don't like it don't sign up.
Yup...
Citizen 20.1.01
'The question is,' said Humpty Dumpty, 'which is to be master - that's all.'
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Kevin McFarlane wrote:
OTOH, when I've bought software from vendors such as QBS I subsequently get emails and postal catalogues advertising other products.
Yeah, i get waaay more unwanted email from banks, insurance companies, department stores, seed catalogs... but i kinda expect that. I mean, they're obviously big, soulless companies with marketing departments who would cheerfully disembowel their own grandmothers if it would lead to more sales. Abuse is just the cost of dealing with them. But software demos? When i go to the grocery store, i don't need proof of ID to get a sample of whatever mustard dip they're trying to sell that week. When i go to the bar, they don't need my home address before i get to taste the new beer on tap. And when i don't like the dip or beer, i can walk out or buy something else without getting nagged by the proprieter.
Kevin McFarlane wrote:
But if you don't like it don't sign up.
Yup...
Citizen 20.1.01
'The question is,' said Humpty Dumpty, 'which is to be master - that's all.'
Shog9 wrote:
But software demos?
I agree that's over the top. But if a company offers a free software product it doesn't seem unreasonable for them to ask if you're interested in their commercial offerings too. Being emailed is preferable to being phoned up though. It's easier to ignore email. :) Anyway, it's now nearly 10 hours without having received email from Red Gate. :)
Kevin
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Shog9 wrote:
But software demos?
I agree that's over the top. But if a company offers a free software product it doesn't seem unreasonable for them to ask if you're interested in their commercial offerings too. Being emailed is preferable to being phoned up though. It's easier to ignore email. :) Anyway, it's now nearly 10 hours without having received email from Red Gate. :)
Kevin
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Trollslayer wrote:
I still haven't found out if there is a reward for John's capture
John is like a unicorn. Only a virgin outlawesse can capture him. ;) Marc
Marc Clifton wrote:
John is like a unicorn.
John has a horn on his forehead? :laugh:
To hell with circumstances; I create opportunities.
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And the fluffy tigress breaks into a dynamite Bon Jovi impression: "Waaaanntteeed.... Dead or Alive...."
Software Zen:
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Lutz Reflector[^], the must-have tool for every .NET developer, listed as one of Scott Hanselman's 10 life- and work-changing utilities, has been bought by Red Gate[^].
Q. “How can it be good news that a commercial software company is taking ownership of a free community tool?” A. “I think we can provide a level of resources that will move the tool forward in a big way. The first thing we are doing is continuing to offer the software to the community for free downloading. The second thing is giving our product management and usability teams the task of going out into the community to get suggestions on how we can make this amazing tool even better. We accept the fact that there will be scepticism, but we can point to a good track record of support for the community. People were wary a couple of years ago when we purchased the SQL Server Central community site, but over time we have won over many of our critics by investing heavily in the site and boosting its readership, while allowing it to maintain editorial independence. I’m hoping I will be able to sit here in a few years time and claim the same level of success with Reflector.”
Tech, life, family, faith: Give me a visit. From my latest post: "It's an eye-opener, then, to see Paul break with his usual intellectual rhetoric and bust out in a kind of joyful song, inline, right inside one of his letters." The apostle Paul, modernly speaking: Epistles of Paul Judah Himango
It makes me nervous to read this line: "The second thing is giving our product management and usability teams the task of going out into the community to get suggestions on how we can make this amazing tool even better." If they didn't already have something in mind on how to improve the tool, or even know if there are improvements to be made, before buying the tool then why did they buy it? Just to be nice to Lutz who has helped millions of programmers do their jobs better? I don't think so. It could be just to redirect more people through their site and force them to register with them. Will the tool still update itself automatically? I hope so. I hope they don't force us to their site for each update. :^)
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Lutz Reflector[^], the must-have tool for every .NET developer, listed as one of Scott Hanselman's 10 life- and work-changing utilities, has been bought by Red Gate[^].
Q. “How can it be good news that a commercial software company is taking ownership of a free community tool?” A. “I think we can provide a level of resources that will move the tool forward in a big way. The first thing we are doing is continuing to offer the software to the community for free downloading. The second thing is giving our product management and usability teams the task of going out into the community to get suggestions on how we can make this amazing tool even better. We accept the fact that there will be scepticism, but we can point to a good track record of support for the community. People were wary a couple of years ago when we purchased the SQL Server Central community site, but over time we have won over many of our critics by investing heavily in the site and boosting its readership, while allowing it to maintain editorial independence. I’m hoping I will be able to sit here in a few years time and claim the same level of success with Reflector.”
Tech, life, family, faith: Give me a visit. From my latest post: "It's an eye-opener, then, to see Paul break with his usual intellectual rhetoric and bust out in a kind of joyful song, inline, right inside one of his letters." The apostle Paul, modernly speaking: Epistles of Paul Judah Himango
Great application and I too am glad that the author is seeing some reward. It sounds like it will continue to be a free tool. I am also a subscriber of SQl Server Central and apart from Redgate adds basically everywhere, I haven't witnessed any push to sell its products through advertorial. Just one question on price though. Even if Redgate did decide to sell the tool I would seriously consider buying it. I use it almost daily. Why is it that we have such an aversion to purchasing software? Odd attitude especially from people who write software "for a living" (no this isn't a general sweeping statement :))
The only thing unpredictable about me is just how predictable I'm going to be.
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It makes me nervous to read this line: "The second thing is giving our product management and usability teams the task of going out into the community to get suggestions on how we can make this amazing tool even better." If they didn't already have something in mind on how to improve the tool, or even know if there are improvements to be made, before buying the tool then why did they buy it? Just to be nice to Lutz who has helped millions of programmers do their jobs better? I don't think so. It could be just to redirect more people through their site and force them to register with them. Will the tool still update itself automatically? I hope so. I hope they don't force us to their site for each update. :^)
Vance Kessler wrote:
If they didn't already have something in mind on how to improve the tool, or even know if there are improvements to be made, before buying the tool then why did they buy it? Just to be nice to Lutz who has helped millions of programmers do their jobs better? I don't think so.
That's an easy one. Because Lutz has an extensive 'customer' list. This is nothing unusual, nor is it a problem in my opinion. In fact we are looking at doing exactly this at the moment. We are looking to procure a small company not for their software (although there will be pieces we can use in our product), we're more interested in their client list.
Vance Kessler wrote:
It could be just to redirect more people through their site and force them to register with them.
Again, of course it is. And again, I don't see the issue.
Vance Kessler wrote:
Will the tool still update itself automatically? I hope so. I hope they don't force us to their site for each update.
Even if it doesn't. I'm struggling to see how being "forced" to do what you normally have to do when updating software is such an imposition. :)
The only thing unpredictable about me is just how predictable I'm going to be.
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Great application and I too am glad that the author is seeing some reward. It sounds like it will continue to be a free tool. I am also a subscriber of SQl Server Central and apart from Redgate adds basically everywhere, I haven't witnessed any push to sell its products through advertorial. Just one question on price though. Even if Redgate did decide to sell the tool I would seriously consider buying it. I use it almost daily. Why is it that we have such an aversion to purchasing software? Odd attitude especially from people who write software "for a living" (no this isn't a general sweeping statement :))
The only thing unpredictable about me is just how predictable I'm going to be.
SimonRigby wrote:
Just one question on price though. Even if Redgate did decide to sell the tool I would seriously consider buying it.
Ditto.
SimonRigby wrote:
Why is it that we have such an aversion to purchasing software? Odd attitude especially from people who write software "for a living" (no this isn't a general sweeping statement )
So true!
Tech, life, family, faith: Give me a visit. I'm currently blogging about: Upon this disciple I'll build my new religion? The apostle Paul, modernly speaking: Epistles of Paul Judah Himango
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Vance Kessler wrote:
If they didn't already have something in mind on how to improve the tool, or even know if there are improvements to be made, before buying the tool then why did they buy it? Just to be nice to Lutz who has helped millions of programmers do their jobs better? I don't think so.
That's an easy one. Because Lutz has an extensive 'customer' list. This is nothing unusual, nor is it a problem in my opinion. In fact we are looking at doing exactly this at the moment. We are looking to procure a small company not for their software (although there will be pieces we can use in our product), we're more interested in their client list.
Vance Kessler wrote:
It could be just to redirect more people through their site and force them to register with them.
Again, of course it is. And again, I don't see the issue.
Vance Kessler wrote:
Will the tool still update itself automatically? I hope so. I hope they don't force us to their site for each update.
Even if it doesn't. I'm struggling to see how being "forced" to do what you normally have to do when updating software is such an imposition. :)
The only thing unpredictable about me is just how predictable I'm going to be.
My guess is the auto-update feature will continue to work as-is. I just did an auto-update yesterday and now I see "Red Gate's Reflector" in the title bar. :-)
Tech, life, family, faith: Give me a visit. I'm currently blogging about: Upon this disciple I'll build my new religion? The apostle Paul, modernly speaking: Epistles of Paul Judah Himango
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My guess is the auto-update feature will continue to work as-is. I just did an auto-update yesterday and now I see "Red Gate's Reflector" in the title bar. :-)
Tech, life, family, faith: Give me a visit. I'm currently blogging about: Upon this disciple I'll build my new religion? The apostle Paul, modernly speaking: Epistles of Paul Judah Himango
And just as long as it didn't cost you anything .. the world is a good place again .. lol. I hope the sceptics are happy now. See, look how quickly they moved to brand it .. err .. i mean .. add functionality :)
The only thing unpredictable about me is just how predictable I'm going to be.
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Great application and I too am glad that the author is seeing some reward. It sounds like it will continue to be a free tool. I am also a subscriber of SQl Server Central and apart from Redgate adds basically everywhere, I haven't witnessed any push to sell its products through advertorial. Just one question on price though. Even if Redgate did decide to sell the tool I would seriously consider buying it. I use it almost daily. Why is it that we have such an aversion to purchasing software? Odd attitude especially from people who write software "for a living" (no this isn't a general sweeping statement :))
The only thing unpredictable about me is just how predictable I'm going to be.
SimonRigby wrote:
Why is it that we have such an aversion to purchasing software?
Well, everyone prefers free to non-free other things being equal. :) But I think it's more that we have an aversion to paying for something that was previously free. However, I take your point that many developers are paranoid about this kind of thing.
Kevin
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Lutz Reflector[^], the must-have tool for every .NET developer, listed as one of Scott Hanselman's 10 life- and work-changing utilities, has been bought by Red Gate[^].
Q. “How can it be good news that a commercial software company is taking ownership of a free community tool?” A. “I think we can provide a level of resources that will move the tool forward in a big way. The first thing we are doing is continuing to offer the software to the community for free downloading. The second thing is giving our product management and usability teams the task of going out into the community to get suggestions on how we can make this amazing tool even better. We accept the fact that there will be scepticism, but we can point to a good track record of support for the community. People were wary a couple of years ago when we purchased the SQL Server Central community site, but over time we have won over many of our critics by investing heavily in the site and boosting its readership, while allowing it to maintain editorial independence. I’m hoping I will be able to sit here in a few years time and claim the same level of success with Reflector.”
Tech, life, family, faith: Give me a visit. From my latest post: "It's an eye-opener, then, to see Paul break with his usual intellectual rhetoric and bust out in a kind of joyful song, inline, right inside one of his letters." The apostle Paul, modernly speaking: Epistles of Paul Judah Himango
Well all I have to say is "Great Job, Lutz!! Glad your profiting from this wonderful tool!" I have nothing but respect for Lutz and Reflector, as it has saved my butt a few million times since I started using .NET 1.0. I'm glad the guy is getting a chance to earn some money maintaining it, and I can think of no better company to support both Lutz and Reflector than RedGate. They are a great company with great tools!