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Vista annoyance: one step forward, three steps back [SOLVED]

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  • H Harvey Saayman

    Hey guys As some of you might know I've been having issues with Vista not executing a program i wrote, i finally found a work around to that problem, but now Vista is pulling some new stunts! As soon as my app calls the an external DLL(it contains methods to connect and communicate with an external device) the program crashes! I little vista bubble pops up saying "To help protect your computer Data Execution Prevention has closed [program name], click here to learn more." So i click it and find that there is an exception list i can add my app to, i select my app to add it to the list and im greeted with a message box that says "This program must run with Data Execution Prevention (DEP) enabled. You cannot turn off DEP for this program" I dont know anymore, this is really frustrating. :sigh: Does anyone have some suggestions for me? maybe turn DEP off completely? Thanx

    Harvey Saayman - South Africa Junior Developer .Net, C#, SQL

    you.suck = (you.passion != Programming)

    modified on Tuesday, August 26, 2008 5:48 AM

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    Mustafa Ismail Mustafa
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    Have you considered upgrading to XP? That would be my answer and CG's answer and many others I know...

    Don't forget to vote if the response was helpful


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      Have you considered upgrading to XP? That would be my answer and CG's answer and many others I know...

      Don't forget to vote if the response was helpful


      Sig history "dad" Ishmail-Samuel Mustafa "There's no point questioning the actions of a c0ck-juggling thunderc*nt" From the book of testy commentary by martin_hughes Unix is a Four Letter Word, and Vi is a Two Letter Abbreviation

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      Harvey Saayman
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      That was my answer to our technician aswell, but sadly we cant tell a customer to change their OS... so i have to make this work

      Harvey Saayman - South Africa Junior Developer .Net, C#, SQL

      you.suck = (you.passion != Programming)

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      • H Harvey Saayman

        Hey guys As some of you might know I've been having issues with Vista not executing a program i wrote, i finally found a work around to that problem, but now Vista is pulling some new stunts! As soon as my app calls the an external DLL(it contains methods to connect and communicate with an external device) the program crashes! I little vista bubble pops up saying "To help protect your computer Data Execution Prevention has closed [program name], click here to learn more." So i click it and find that there is an exception list i can add my app to, i select my app to add it to the list and im greeted with a message box that says "This program must run with Data Execution Prevention (DEP) enabled. You cannot turn off DEP for this program" I dont know anymore, this is really frustrating. :sigh: Does anyone have some suggestions for me? maybe turn DEP off completely? Thanx

        Harvey Saayman - South Africa Junior Developer .Net, C#, SQL

        you.suck = (you.passion != Programming)

        modified on Tuesday, August 26, 2008 5:48 AM

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        Try this[^].

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        • H Harvey Saayman

          That was my answer to our technician aswell, but sadly we cant tell a customer to change their OS... so i have to make this work

          Harvey Saayman - South Africa Junior Developer .Net, C#, SQL

          you.suck = (you.passion != Programming)

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          Mustafa Ismail Mustafa
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          have fun then :snicker: :laugh:

          Don't forget to vote if the response was helpful


          Sig history "dad" Ishmail-Samuel Mustafa "There's no point questioning the actions of a c0ck-juggling thunderc*nt" From the book of testy commentary by martin_hughes Unix is a Four Letter Word, and Vi is a Two Letter Abbreviation

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          • H Harvey Saayman

            Hey guys As some of you might know I've been having issues with Vista not executing a program i wrote, i finally found a work around to that problem, but now Vista is pulling some new stunts! As soon as my app calls the an external DLL(it contains methods to connect and communicate with an external device) the program crashes! I little vista bubble pops up saying "To help protect your computer Data Execution Prevention has closed [program name], click here to learn more." So i click it and find that there is an exception list i can add my app to, i select my app to add it to the list and im greeted with a message box that says "This program must run with Data Execution Prevention (DEP) enabled. You cannot turn off DEP for this program" I dont know anymore, this is really frustrating. :sigh: Does anyone have some suggestions for me? maybe turn DEP off completely? Thanx

            Harvey Saayman - South Africa Junior Developer .Net, C#, SQL

            you.suck = (you.passion != Programming)

            modified on Tuesday, August 26, 2008 5:48 AM

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            The external component is writing to unallocated memory. In previous OS's this would go unnoticed. Vista actually protects you against malicious use of this scenario. Turning DEP off wont help in Vista, you will still get an exception (attempting to write to null pointer or something). I suggest you contact the authors of the external DLL and ask them to advise you on getting it to run on Vista or ask them to fix the issues.

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            • H Harvey Saayman

              Hey guys As some of you might know I've been having issues with Vista not executing a program i wrote, i finally found a work around to that problem, but now Vista is pulling some new stunts! As soon as my app calls the an external DLL(it contains methods to connect and communicate with an external device) the program crashes! I little vista bubble pops up saying "To help protect your computer Data Execution Prevention has closed [program name], click here to learn more." So i click it and find that there is an exception list i can add my app to, i select my app to add it to the list and im greeted with a message box that says "This program must run with Data Execution Prevention (DEP) enabled. You cannot turn off DEP for this program" I dont know anymore, this is really frustrating. :sigh: Does anyone have some suggestions for me? maybe turn DEP off completely? Thanx

              Harvey Saayman - South Africa Junior Developer .Net, C#, SQL

              you.suck = (you.passion != Programming)

              modified on Tuesday, August 26, 2008 5:48 AM

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              Priyatam K
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              Stop bashing vista for every wrong line of code which someone wrote X| X| PS: Apple rocks!!

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              • H Harvey Saayman

                Hey guys As some of you might know I've been having issues with Vista not executing a program i wrote, i finally found a work around to that problem, but now Vista is pulling some new stunts! As soon as my app calls the an external DLL(it contains methods to connect and communicate with an external device) the program crashes! I little vista bubble pops up saying "To help protect your computer Data Execution Prevention has closed [program name], click here to learn more." So i click it and find that there is an exception list i can add my app to, i select my app to add it to the list and im greeted with a message box that says "This program must run with Data Execution Prevention (DEP) enabled. You cannot turn off DEP for this program" I dont know anymore, this is really frustrating. :sigh: Does anyone have some suggestions for me? maybe turn DEP off completely? Thanx

                Harvey Saayman - South Africa Junior Developer .Net, C#, SQL

                you.suck = (you.passion != Programming)

                modified on Tuesday, August 26, 2008 5:48 AM

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                leppie
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                You are not the only one with this problem. ANTS Profiler does the same if you feed it an assembly with tail calls (I believe this is cause by an offset that is 16 instead of 12 or vice versa, but it takes just one wrong step for DEP to kick in).

                xacc.ide - now with TabsToSpaces support
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                • P Pete OHanlon

                  Try this[^].

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                  Harvey Saayman
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                  i also came across that right after posting and it worked. Its not going to impress sys-admins at most of our clients but it will do for now. Thanx pete

                  Harvey Saayman - South Africa Junior Developer .Net, C#, SQL

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                  • L leppie

                    The external component is writing to unallocated memory. In previous OS's this would go unnoticed. Vista actually protects you against malicious use of this scenario. Turning DEP off wont help in Vista, you will still get an exception (attempting to write to null pointer or something). I suggest you contact the authors of the external DLL and ask them to advise you on getting it to run on Vista or ask them to fix the issues.

                    xacc.ide - now with TabsToSpaces support
                    IronScheme - 1.0 alpha 4a out now (29 May 2008)

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                    Harvey Saayman
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                    turned it off and everything works fine now :) had too run cmd as admin and execute the following

                    bcdedit.exe /set {curren} nx AlwaysOff

                    and then restart the machine

                    leppie wrote:

                    I suggest you contact the authors of the external DLL

                    Were going too, this is just a quick fix. But the authors are Chinese that no speak engwhish velly goot

                    Harvey Saayman - South Africa Junior Developer .Net, C#, SQL

                    you.suck = (you.passion != Programming)

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                    • H Harvey Saayman

                      turned it off and everything works fine now :) had too run cmd as admin and execute the following

                      bcdedit.exe /set {curren} nx AlwaysOff

                      and then restart the machine

                      leppie wrote:

                      I suggest you contact the authors of the external DLL

                      Were going too, this is just a quick fix. But the authors are Chinese that no speak engwhish velly goot

                      Harvey Saayman - South Africa Junior Developer .Net, C#, SQL

                      you.suck = (you.passion != Programming)

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                      Harvey Saayman wrote:

                      But the authors are Chinese that no speak engwhish velly goot

                      This from a South African! :laugh:

                      ------------------------------------ "The production of useful work is strictly limited by the laws of thermodynamics. The production of useless work seems to be unlimited." - Donald E. Simanek

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                      • H Harvey Saayman

                        Hey guys As some of you might know I've been having issues with Vista not executing a program i wrote, i finally found a work around to that problem, but now Vista is pulling some new stunts! As soon as my app calls the an external DLL(it contains methods to connect and communicate with an external device) the program crashes! I little vista bubble pops up saying "To help protect your computer Data Execution Prevention has closed [program name], click here to learn more." So i click it and find that there is an exception list i can add my app to, i select my app to add it to the list and im greeted with a message box that says "This program must run with Data Execution Prevention (DEP) enabled. You cannot turn off DEP for this program" I dont know anymore, this is really frustrating. :sigh: Does anyone have some suggestions for me? maybe turn DEP off completely? Thanx

                        Harvey Saayman - South Africa Junior Developer .Net, C#, SQL

                        you.suck = (you.passion != Programming)

                        modified on Tuesday, August 26, 2008 5:48 AM

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                        Rajesh R Subramanian
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                        DEP existed before Vista as well. But with Vista, the security has been tightened. I usually am not a Vista fanboy, but with this issue of yours, you cannot blame Vista. It actually is trying to protect you from something that is presumably malicious.

                        Many are stubborn in pursuit of the path they have chosen, few in pursuit of the goal - Friedrich Nietzsche .·´¯`·->Rajesh<-·´¯`·. [Microsoft MVP - Visual C++]

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                          Harvey Saayman wrote:

                          But the authors are Chinese that no speak engwhish velly goot

                          This from a South African! :laugh:

                          ------------------------------------ "The production of useful work is strictly limited by the laws of thermodynamics. The production of useless work seems to be unlimited." - Donald E. Simanek

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                          Rajesh R Subramanian
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                          You're such a heartless bastard. :laugh:

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                            Stop bashing vista for every wrong line of code which someone wrote X| X| PS: Apple rocks!!

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                            Harvey Saayman
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                            Priyatam K wrote:

                            Stop bashing vista

                            when they fix it ill stop bashing

                            Priyatam K wrote:

                            every wrong line of code which someone wrote

                            i wrote the app in question, and I didnt write wrong lines of code! Its a simple as hell 100 line console app that calls methods in a DLL. so go sit in the corner and eat your little Apple!

                            Harvey Saayman - South Africa Junior Developer .Net, C#, SQL

                            you.suck = (you.passion != Programming)

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                            • R Rajesh R Subramanian

                              DEP existed before Vista as well. But with Vista, the security has been tightened. I usually am not a Vista fanboy, but with this issue of yours, you cannot blame Vista. It actually is trying to protect you from something that is presumably malicious.

                              Many are stubborn in pursuit of the path they have chosen, few in pursuit of the goal - Friedrich Nietzsche .·´¯`·->Rajesh<-·´¯`·. [Microsoft MVP - Visual C++]

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                              Harvey Saayman
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                              i agree, but when it tells me im not allowed to put an app in the exception list without even a reason, thats not cool.

                              Harvey Saayman - South Africa Junior Developer .Net, C#, SQL

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                              • H Harvey Saayman

                                haha, you trying to say there's something wrong with my English? I can like to speak English deliciously! :-D

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                                Harvey Saayman wrote:

                                I can like to speak English deliciously

                                Tick VG! :)

                                ------------------------------------ "The production of useful work is strictly limited by the laws of thermodynamics. The production of useless work seems to be unlimited." - Donald E. Simanek

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                                  Harvey Saayman wrote:

                                  But the authors are Chinese that no speak engwhish velly goot

                                  This from a South African! :laugh:

                                  ------------------------------------ "The production of useful work is strictly limited by the laws of thermodynamics. The production of useless work seems to be unlimited." - Donald E. Simanek

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                                  Harvey Saayman
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                                  haha, you trying to say there's something wrong with my English? I can like to speak English deliciously! :-D

                                  Harvey Saayman - South Africa Junior Developer .Net, C#, SQL

                                  you.suck = (you.passion != Programming)

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                                    Harvey Saayman wrote:

                                    I can like to speak English deliciously

                                    Tick VG! :)

                                    ------------------------------------ "The production of useful work is strictly limited by the laws of thermodynamics. The production of useless work seems to be unlimited." - Donald E. Simanek

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                                    Harvey Saayman
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                                    Dalek Dave wrote:

                                    Tick VG!

                                    huh?

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                                      Dalek Dave wrote:

                                      Tick VG!

                                      huh?

                                      Harvey Saayman - South Africa Junior Developer .Net, C#, SQL

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                                      Dalek Dave
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                                      Tick as is get a tick for a right answer, and VG = Very Good. It is what teachers write on your schoolwork.

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                                        The external component is writing to unallocated memory. In previous OS's this would go unnoticed. Vista actually protects you against malicious use of this scenario. Turning DEP off wont help in Vista, you will still get an exception (attempting to write to null pointer or something). I suggest you contact the authors of the external DLL and ask them to advise you on getting it to run on Vista or ask them to fix the issues.

                                        xacc.ide - now with TabsToSpaces support
                                        IronScheme - 1.0 alpha 4a out now (29 May 2008)

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                                        peterchen
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                                        leppie wrote:

                                        The external component is writing to unallocated memory.

                                        Rather, it is trying to run code in memory not allocated with EXECUTE rights.

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                                        • R Rajesh R Subramanian

                                          DEP existed before Vista as well. But with Vista, the security has been tightened. I usually am not a Vista fanboy, but with this issue of yours, you cannot blame Vista. It actually is trying to protect you from something that is presumably malicious.

                                          Many are stubborn in pursuit of the path they have chosen, few in pursuit of the goal - Friedrich Nietzsche .·´¯`·->Rajesh<-·´¯`·. [Microsoft MVP - Visual C++]

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                                          Priyatam K
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                                          Rajesh R Subramanian wrote:

                                          but with this issue of yours, you cannot blame Vista. It actually is trying to protect you from something that is presumably malicious.

                                          I'm also trying to tell the same thing :mad:

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